The Kraken Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Which brings me to the point i made in my OP on this topic. Was Thr £12m spent on him worth it or better spent elsewhere? The reality is we could have got 3 proven, solid Premeir league players for that. But we were told inAugust we didn't need premier league experience......... Amen to that. Instead we spent nearly £25M on two strikers who barely start for us (one of whom surely won't be again too soon after his abysmal showing today) and a very young playmaker who by his very nature will be hit and miss and will probably need plenty more time to settle. We need the January transfer window to come quickly, I'm just not overly confident we can cover all bases to get the squad we really need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Sorry you're wrong - that was a poor SECOND half by the WHOLE team! Ramirez was our best player in the first half creating just about everything. Yes in the second half he struggled to have any influence going forward, as did all of the front four, but he didn't hide, wanting to make a difference! Frankly to say he was absolutely awful is rubbish, and not really helpful! We should be getting behind our team, and Gaston, so called fans on here need to either get a life, go out a bit more or worse..... our forum is an embarrassment...... First half and second, Gaston was below par (of performances we've seen for us) in all departments. So were other players; that doesn't make it any less true of Gaston (especially when he himself has set certain standards by previous performances much better than this one). Your last line is weird; chastising others for not getting behind the team, yet in your first line clamouring that it was a poor SECOND half by the WHOLE team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colehillsaint Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Which brings me to the point i made in my OP on this topic. Was Thr £12m spent on him worth it or better spent elsewhere? The reality is we could have got 3 proven, solid Premeir league players for that. But we were told inAugust we didn't need premier league experience......... In fairness to whoever was deciding on our transfers in, is it not more difficult to sell a club coming up into the PL to a proven premier league talent? The club has a better chance signing a talent from outside this league, and taking a risk together. Is that not a fair point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 What we need is a REAL dribbler/street footballer type like Taarabt at QPR. Literally everyone on our team is a defensively-minded player than offers nothing much going forward APART from the designated front 4 of the 4-5-1. When those front 4 fail we end up being totally screwed and end up playing hoofball regardless of whether Lambert can actually win a header against the Cuellars/Osheas of this world. No-one apart from Puncheon has the ability to really run at a player and beat them (and he failed miserably at that today). Lallana can twist and turn but can't beat a player one-on-one. Ramirez sort of can when at his best but doesn't really have the pace to burn them and sprint through on goal. If 1) The target man is ineffective as he's owned by the two centre-halves. 2) No-one is capable of/is willing to shoot from distance. 3) No-one can really take defenders on. Then it will be VERY easy for a lot of teams to get behind the ball and close down space in order to one-nil us like Sunderland did today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 First half and second, Gaston was below par (of performances we've seen for us) in all departments. So were other players; that doesn't make it any less true of Gaston (especially when he himself has set certain standards by previous performances much better than this one). Your last line is weird; chastising others for not getting behind the team, yet in your first line clamouring that it was a poor SECOND half by the WHOLE team! This forum is a joke slagging off our best player on a separate thread, hysterical reactions everywhere about the performance, and just because we have lost a tight game! As for the second half, I'm talking about the dumb reaction to a defeat on here not at the game..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 This forum is a joke slagging off our best player on a separate thread, hysterical reactions everywhere about the performance, and just because we have lost a tight game! As for the second half, I'm talking about the dumb reaction to a defeat on here not at the game..... who is getting hysterical...I would suggest on todays reading that generally, people are more OTT about how good we are when we win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 What we need is a REAL dribbler/street footballer type like Taarabt at QPR. Literally everyone on our team is a defensively-minded player than offers nothing much going forward APART from the designated front 4 of the 4-5-1. When those front 4 fail we end up being totally screwed and end up playing hoofball regardless of whether Lambert can actually win a header against the Cuellars/Osheas of this world. No-one apart from Puncheon has the ability to really run at a player and beat them (and he failed miserably at that today). Lallana can twist and turn but can't beat a player one-on-one. Ramirez sort of can when at his best but doesn't really have the pace to burn them and sprint through on goal. If 1) The target man is ineffective as he's owned by the two centre-halves. 2) No-one is capable of/is willing to shoot from distance. 3) No-one can really take defenders on. Then it will be VERY easy for a lot of teams to get behind the ball and close down space in order to one-nil us like Sunderland did today. Fair point. I think he picked Mayuka to try to inject some pace and trickery, but it didn't happen for him today unfortunately..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 In fairness to whoever was deciding on our transfers in, is it not more difficult to sell a club coming up into the PL to a proven premier league talent? The club has a better chance signing a talent from outside this league, and taking a risk together. Is that not a fair point? West ham don't seem to have struggled with it. They even persuaded Nolan (a crap player according to here) to drop down a league last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 This forum is a joke slagging off our best player on a separate thread, hysterical reactions everywhere about the performance, and just because we have lost a tight game! As for the second half, I'm talking about the dumb reaction to a defeat on here not at the game..... Who is slagging him off? He played poorly today; that's not slagging him off. He has yet to live up to a £12M price tag; that's not slagging him off either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 This forum is a joke slagging off our best player on a separate thread, hysterical reactions everywhere about the performance, and just because we have lost a tight game! As for the second half, I'm talking about the dumb reaction to a defeat on here not at the game..... Did you go today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 who is getting hysterical...I would suggest on todays reading that generally, people are more OTT about how good we are when we win Delldays there is no balance here - it's lets slag everyone off or how great we are! Let's face it no one should believe we were going to find it easy. Gaston is pure class - miles better than anything we have currently, and in my opinion our best chance of survival is if the team is built around him ala MLT under Bally.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Did you go today? Yes thanks how about you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Yes thanks how about you? Yep, was there as I am every week. Saw us not register a meaningful attempt at goal. Did you watch a different game? Don't remember us losing in a tight game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colehillsaint Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 West ham don't seem to have struggled with it. They even persuaded Nolan (a crap player according to here) to drop down a league last season. I would not really argue with your example. In defence of my point though, West Ham are a bigger club based on the last few years, and Sam must have more pull than our talented but relatively untried young manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Yep, was there as I am every week. Saw us not register a meaningful attempt at goal. Did you watch a different game? Don't remember us losing in a tight game. My point is until they took their lead we were playing just as well we did against in our previous 4. Ramirez was our most creative player easily frankly the player who struggled today was SRL, bit I think in the premier league that's that will happen. Yes, the second half we struggled, by that I mean the team struggled yet Ramirez seems to have been singled out for criticism, which is so typical of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Let's be honest Sunderland hardly hammered us. So yeah it probably was a tight game. Albeit a **** one. Christ the arrogance of the 10,000 plus posters is outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 My point is until they took their lead we were playing just as well we did against in our previous 4. Ramirez was our most creative player easily frankly the player who struggled today was SRL, bit I think in the premier league that's that will happen. Yes, the second half we struggled, by that I mean the team struggled yet Ramirez seems to have been singled out for criticism, which is so typical of this forum. not really..just people thinking that the investment in him seems a little high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 My point is until they took their lead we were playing just as well we did against in our previous 4. Ramirez was our most creative player easily frankly the player who struggled today was SRL, bit I think in the premier league that's that will happen. Yes, the second half we struggled, by that I mean the team struggled yet Ramirez seems to have been singled out for criticism, which is so typical of this forum. This. There was no player to single out in that 2nd half performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 This. There was no player to single out in that 2nd half performance. I think there was, actually. Luke Shaw played well, and Yoshida and Fonte did nothing too wrong. Cork was also a lot better than Scheniderlin and in turn S.Davis; Puncheon did some good, skillful things but made the wrong decision at crucial times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Been saying this for ages..... All flare and little substance ... He needs coaching .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Wasn't great today, but is clearly a class player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 My point is until they took their lead we were playing just as well we did against in our previous 4. Ramirez was our most creative player easily frankly the player who struggled today was SRL, bit I think in the premier league that's that will happen. Yes, the second half we struggled, by that I mean the team struggled yet Ramirez seems to have been singled out for criticism, which is so typical of this forum. Really? How many saves did their keeper make,? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 No. Money could have been better spent elsewhere. Or we could have bought two more Rodriguezes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessex saint Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Well Turkey, according to BBC football website we had 13 shots in total compared to Sunderland's 10. Of those... we had 7 on target compared to Sunderland's 6. So based on those stats I guess their keeper made 7 saves.. 1 more than Kelvin had to make. Glad to be of help. For further inquiries of this nature please refer to http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20738525 Thanks old Turkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Well Turkey, according to BBC football website we had 13 shots in total compared to Sunderland's 10. Of those... we had 7 on target compared to Sunderland's 6. So based on those stats I guess their keeper made 7 saves.. 1 more than Kelvin had to make. Glad to be of help. For further inquiries of this nature please refer to http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20738525 Thanks old Turkey Turkey?! LOLZ!! How long did it take you to think of that? It's brilliant!! You're obsessed with me aren't you. Posting about me again!! F*ck the stats, i was there, were you? Asesex Saint?! LOL!! FAF! PMSL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Turkey?! LOLZ!! How long did it take you to think of that? It's brilliant!! You're obsessed with me aren't you. Posting about me again!! F*ck the stats, i was there, were you? Asesex Saint?! LOL!! FAF! PMSL!!! Dunno about a turkey but you certainly one arrogant cock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Dunno about a turkey but you certainly one arrogant cock! Why? Because I'm usually right? Or because Asssex Saint was slagging me off this week and is now posting about me non stop?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Turkey?! LOLZ!! How long did it take you to think of that? It's brilliant!! You're obsessed with me aren't you. Posting about me again!! F*ck the stats, i was there, were you? That got under you skin m Asesex Saint?! LOL!! FAF! PMSL!!! Why do you keep on about being at the game? You're no expert so what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Why do you keep on about being at the game? You're no expert so what's your point? He quoted stats that we had more shots than them. Didn't really reflect the match did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessex saint Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 You asked how many times we made their keeper work. I showed you the stats. No - wasn't there today - was working and got home just in time to watch a stream. Go to games many times a season. No mate - not obsessed! It's just when I go to occasionally post you've already been there!!! Maybe because you post on any old **** whether you've got an opinion or not!! Cheers TURKEY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 You asked how many times we made their keeper work. I showed you the stats. No - wasn't there today - was working and got home just in time to watch a stream. Go to games many times a season. No mate - not obsessed! It's just when I go to occasionally post you've already been there!!! Maybe because you post on any old **** whether you've got an opinion or not!! Cheers TURKEY From your stream, which save of those you mention do you think was worthy of particular praise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 You asked how many times we made their keeper work. I showed you the stats. No - wasn't there today - was working and got home just in time to watch a stream. Go to games many times a season. No mate - not obsessed! It's just when I go to occasionally post you've already been there!!! Maybe because you post on any old **** whether you've got an opinion or not!! Cheers TURKEY I asked you how many saves their keeper made, shots at goal isn't the answer. Do you know 6 out of your last 8 posts have been about me. Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessex saint Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Not really odd. You post on every thread and looking back on your last 10 post they are all personal to one poster or other. that's what you do to threads and why this forum has become ****. Goodnight old bean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Today he was gash on left, gash on the righttt. Gaston ramerez just looked utter ***** Should have been subbed as he couldn't pass or take a touch today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Today he was gash on left, gash on the righttt. Gaston ramerez just looked utter ***** Should have been subbed as he couldn't pass or take a touch today Sorry but this post just sums up this bloody forum - moronic so called fans having a go at our own players..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 From your stream, which save of those you mention do you think was worthy of particular praise? Did you watch MOTD. Savage plus commentator thought Sunderland were lucky..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Sorry but this post just sums up this bloody forum - moronic so called fans having a go at our own players..... Whilst I take your point entirely, he was nevertheless completely ineffectual today compared to normal. Still prefer him in the team than not though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Did you watch MOTD. Savage plus commentator thought Sunderland were lucky..... I watched MOTD and I was at the game. I'm yet to see a save that the Sunderland keeper made that was worthy of particular praise. Did I miss one? Which one was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Clearly it was a tight game. Turkish is a ****ing massive mong. A massive mong. Seriously, a pathetic, ****ing, sad, gimpy uber-mong. He's a prime ****. Everyone knows that. ****ing monger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Sorry but this post just sums up this bloody forum - moronic so called fans having a go at our own players..... Urm so our players are gods that can do no wrong? I agree it is silly to bemoan his fee as over the top considering his performances (and age) but sometimes he just needs taking off the pitch because he has no answer for 2/3 people sitting on him, no matter where on the pitch he plays. He is a great player, will be a world class player, but when he is not given the time and space Messi is he will not always perform. Today is a prime example of it and we suffered by persisting with him regardless. Should have been subbed at half time for Steven Davis or Guly and left Myuka to either be up front or down the left because Gaston was taken out of the game by Sunderland's tactics. i feel that is a fair analysis of what went wrong today, just wanted to express that directly and quickly, instead of with a long and drawn out post with the same conclusion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Clearly it was a tight game. Turkish is a ****ing massive mong. A massive mong. Seriously, a pathetic, ****ing, sad, gimpy uber-mong. He's a prime ****. Everyone knows that. ****ing monger. Resorting to abuse, sad. Remind me how many chances We created. How many notable saves their keeper made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Not really odd. You post on every thread and looking back on your last 10 post they are all personal to one poster or other. that's what you do to threads and why this forum has become ****. Goodnight old bean. You still haven't told me how many saves their keeper made or answered Krackens post of which ones were worth praise. Stop coming up with hilarious nicknames like Turkey and start answering questions, its you that's getting personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Golden thread. People still don't understand that it is not juat either praising a player or slagging him off. This is the problem with this forum, you can't say anything without being branded a bedwetter, and then after a few good performances we are safe and everyone who has ever criticised are mongs. It may well be systematic of all football fans, but we really do have lot on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Golden thread. People still don't understand that it is not juat either praising a player or slagging him off. This is the problem with this forum, you can't say anything without being branded a bedwetter, and then after a few good performances we are safe and everyone who has ever criticised are mongs. It may well be systematic of all football fans, but we really do have lot on this board. Some value in that but lets face it Ramirez is certainly not a problem for us, let alone one of our biggest. He is 21 year old immensely talented player who is adapting to a new culture on and off the pitch. Up and down form but undoubted talent and on occassions has transformed the side. He has missed games through injury and bereavement and started off in a hugely underperforming team getting beaten every week. All that is counting against him is his transfer fee which for a team like ours is huge, but as a whole in the Prem is average. Fletcher cost more, Henderson more and Jarvis a tiny bit less. I would rather have Ramirez to watch than any of those. Sorry if you dont agree but watching Ramirez is for me one of the best things about watching Saints and easily of any of our players he will have by miles the most successful career (plus possibly Shaw). He had a poor game, no way a poor player and he has played exceptionally for us at times. If he did it every week aged 21 he would be at a top four team and would cost 30m! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 condition were awful yesterday but he still looked the best player on the pitch. the one touch flick over a player bought back memories of le tiss. I dont think we'll lose any money on him either, even if we get relegated. alot of our signings, maybe except j rod, can all be resold at the price we bought them pretty easily imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 He missed Lallana today. He clearly like players to be close to him and lots of movement around him. Rickie was very static today and the partnership with Gaston and Rickie was not great. There was way too much distance between the two at all times. He does seem a little naive at times though. For example, with 10 seconds left on the clock he just had to lump it into the box, not play that way too clever ball in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 I asked you how many saves their keeper made, shots at goal isn't the answer. Do you know 6 out of your last 8 posts have been about me. Odd. Jeez How old are you guys? seriously! So he is obsessed with you yet you are keeping track of his posts, Both as bad as each other i say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Jeez How old are you guys? seriously! So he is obsessed with you yet you are keeping track of his posts, Both as bad as each other i say. Turkish started it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Turkish started it. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Gaston is seriously top drawer.......Still played wsell at times.. Missed Lallana and the build up play they create together..with Lambert.. Worth the money and will prove his worth to his doubters.....who appear to want to get rid of 6/7/8 or even 9 of our starting side. COYS:) TOO MANY HAD AN OFF DAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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