Pilchards Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 Now the truth, is this really a crap football shirt? I honestly think it looks okay if the sponsor is not tacky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 It looks OK - but it´s doesn´t look like a Saints shirt at all.....More an Arsenal to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 Now the truth, is this really a crap football shirt? I honestly think it looks okay if the sponsor is not tacky. Just like last years, it's not THAT bad. It's just not a kit of Southampton FC. I don't want us to change to look like someone else. I want us to carry on our own history and build on it in red and white stripes. Look what happened to the Jamaican Bobsled Team when they tried to be like the Swiss!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 Now the truth, is this really a crap football shirt? I honestly think it looks okay if the sponsor is not tacky. I think it looks nice, the one with the round logo better than the other, but it's going to be an aap3 logo isn't it? In gold? My opinion is that Saints should be in red and white stripes, but, as a shirt to wear out and about, r&w stripes is a bit naff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 So the first two answers are it's not a Saints kit. I know our history is stripes but I often get fed up with them as you lose the players name on the back plus we look like Sunderland & Stoke. My all time favourite kit was the sash and that's not a Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 Then you should tell Sunderland and Stoke to change then Pilch ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 Then you should tell Sunderland and Stoke to change then Pilch ; ) I wish, it's teams like them that make the red and white shirt associated with struggling dull football. Maybe this is why Cortese copied Liverpool last year and now Arsenal for this season. Whatever next year Brazil? Oh yeah we copied them 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 As long as Saints don´t copy Sweden then...since we also have Adidas as supplier and god we are boring to watch..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 These red shirts suck. Simple - in '85 it made sense. The 125 shirt made sense. This change to a retro Liverpool mid-80's ****** gets on my tits. Xerox kit please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren2 Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 It's quite simple, if people don't like the shirt a) don't buy it (Or at least wait a few weeks to make people sit and think) b) wear a stripe shirt to the games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 It's quite simple, if people don't like the shirt a) don't buy it (Or at least wait a few weeks to make people sit and think) b) wear a stripe shirt to the games It isn't that simple though is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 It isn't that simple though is it. For some people it is, for others it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 It isn't that simple though is it. Oh but it is! The sales figures will send the true message loud and clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 Oh but it is! The sales figures will send the true message loud and clear. As we have already established, many people will buy the shirt regardless of what it looks like simply because it is the latest saints one. As I said it isn't that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 As we have already established, many people will buy the shirt regardless of what it looks like simply because it is the latest saints one. As I said it isn't that simple. And they are the people that ruin it for everyone If you don't like it and still buy it you are just as bigger part of the problem as the designers are. The only thing that could drive the change back to stripes is sales figures Look at NC - he doesn't like agents who charge excessively so instead of just paying anyway he doesn't do the deal in the hope that others do the same as the only language the agents undrrstand is money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 Why is it that kit manufacturers are now just using simple templates to make their football shirts -- is there no specific approach to each club's shirt at all? I know the answer is obviously because it's cheaper to use mass-produced and mass-rolled out templates, but... it's just a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 It's quite simple, if people don't like the shirt a) don't buy it (Or at least wait a few weeks to make people sit and think) b) wear a stripe shirt to the games Why do people continually think it's about what we fans wear? That has little to do with it. It's what the TEAM wear that is important... It is about identity and culture. Wonder if Celtic fans would be so simperingly submissive if their board decided to do away with the hoops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 Why is it that kit manufacturers are now just using simple templates to make their football shirts -- is there no specific approach to each club's shirt at all? I know the answer is obviously because it's cheaper to use mass-produced and mass-rolled out templates, but... it's just a shame. They only bother doing original designs for the big boys - where there is a truly global market. The rest of us also rans get the bland, generic templates. Of course if you have a distinctive kit - like stripes or hoops - you can still retain some form of identity. Unless of course you decide to ditch it to join the truly generic masses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 Now the truth, is this really a crap football shirt? I honestly think it looks okay if the sponsor is not tacky. It's a lovely kit. For Rotherham Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 So the first two answers are it's not a Saints kit. I know our history is stripes but I often get fed up with them as you lose the players name on the back plus we look like Sunderland & Stoke. My all time favourite kit was the sash and that's not a Saints. The sash kit was indubitably Saints - represented our first ever kit, and was explicitly offered as a one-off 125th anniversary kit. In stripes, we don't "look like Stoke or Sunderland" (you just said yourself "our history is stripes"?!?). Why is it people started trotting out this idiotic statement last year?? It is embarrassing - stop it! (Do you confuse QPR and Reading too? Spurs and Fulham? ). PS You seriously need names on the back to know who our players are?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 The sash kit was indubitably Saints - represented our first ever kit, and was explicitly offered as a one-off 125th anniversary kit. In stripes, we don't "look like Stoke or Sunderland" (you just said yourself "our history is stripes"?!?). Why is it people started trotting out this idiotic statement last year?? It is embarrassing - stop it! (Do you confuse QPR and Reading too? Spurs and Fulham? ). PS You seriously need names on the back to know who our players are?!? Commentators do I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 The second year of all red removes most of the doubt that it's permanent, the only saving grace now is that they might have sacrificed a decent design because they think the adidas name will sell it, but that's clutching at straws. Though of course nothing is permanent - eventually people move on, or well, you know, depart this mortal coil. So at some point the stripes will be reinstated and sanity (and identity) will be restored. Even Cortese may have a rethink if sales don't go well. If the (unfounded) rumours are true that NC doesn't like stripes or thinks solid colours imply a more successful image, I wonder what he thinks of Barcelona, Inter, AC, and Juve etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 26 June, 2013 Share Posted 26 June, 2013 Commentators do I don't. Commentators do just fine - they have the teams sheets, and their notes, right in front of them on paper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 June, 2013 So the first two answers are it's not a Saints kit. I know our history is stripes but I often get fed up with them as you lose the players name on the back plus we look like Sunderland & Stoke. My all time favourite kit was the sash and that's not a Saints. St Mary's YMA kits are about as "Saints" as it gets ! And I'd rather look like Sunderland and Stoke in stripes than Bristol City, Liverpool and Arsenal in red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 June, 2013 Though of course nothing is permanent - eventually people move on, or well, you know, depart this mortal coil. So at some point the stripes will be reinstated and sanity (and identity) will be restored. Even Cortese may have a rethink if sales don't go well. If the (unfounded) rumours are true that NC doesn't like stripes or thinks solid colours imply a more successful image, I wonder what he thinks of Barcelona, Inter, AC, and Juve etc? The only rumour about it I've ever heard is "Cortese prefers blocks of colour", which seems like a strange thing to remark on pretty much anything, though I suppose it could have come from a design meeting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 When does kit get revealed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 (edited) When does kit get revealed? You saw something in the 1,920 previous posts that makes you think someone on this thread can answer your question? Edited 27 June, 2013 by Cascadia Saint Gollum-like autocorrect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 When does kit get revealed? On line tomorrow and in store over the weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 On line tomorrow and in store over the weekend Sauce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Sauce very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 For those who care, never too late to join. https://www.facebook.com/groups/saveourstripes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 very good Obviously Heinz then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Hypo et al. have established that the kit will sell in bulk irrespective of the design. I agree, but think that clubs will still be able to monitor year on year trends in sales. Last year we had 'record' sales of a rather divisive kit. I can't believe the kit itself provoked these 'record' sales - IMO the return to the top flight was probably a more significant factor. This year, would another slightly divisive kit manage to repeat last years figures? I'm somewhat skeptical. Release a Xerox a clean stripes, or another sash and IMO the sales would far exceed those of a plain red kit. As an aside, i'm wondering if this move away from stripes is actually related to advertising in some way - it's far easier to make a corporate logo work on a plain background than against a multicoloured background. Generally the logo will either need to be solid black - or needs to be sat on a 'panel' of a plain colour, which often makes the shirt look even worse. Would advertisers even possibly pay more teams willing to place the logos on a plain background? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Hypo et al. have established that the kit will sell in bulk irrespective of the design. I agree, but think that clubs will still be able to monitor year on year trends in sales. Last year we had 'record' sales of a rather divisive kit. I can't believe the kit itself provoked these 'record' sales - IMO the return to the top flight was probably a more significant factor. This year, would another slightly divisive kit manage to repeat last years figures? I'm somewhat skeptical. Release a Xerox a clean stripes, or another sash and IMO the sales would far exceed those of a plain red kit. As an aside, i'm wondering if this move away from stripes is actually related to advertising in some way - it's far easier to make a corporate logo work on a plain background than against a multicoloured background. Generally the logo will either need to be solid black - or needs to be sat on a 'panel' of a plain colour, which often makes the shirt look even worse. Would advertisers even possibly pay more teams willing to place the logos on a plain background? We only have the clubs word for this and was it record? I thought they said fastest selling but presumably they don't have our all time shirt sales figures for every season? I'm very sceptical that this years kit was a bigger seller than the sash. I saw that kit everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 We only have the clubs word for this and was it record? I thought they said fastest selling but presumably they don't have our all time shirt sales figures for every season? I'm very sceptical that this years kit was a bigger seller than the sash. I saw that kit everywhere. Fastest selling. Not biggest selling. It just means that at the point it went on sale they sold more per minute/hour then any other shirt on record.... of course it depends what data they have on record to justify it against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Fastest selling. Not biggest selling. It just means that at the point it went on sale they sold more per minute/hour then any other shirt on record.... of course it depends what data they have on record to justify it against. Indeed. So very much a case of PR then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 We only have the clubs word for this and was it record? I thought they said fastest selling but presumably they don't have our all time shirt sales figures for every season? I'm very sceptical that this years kit was a bigger seller than the sash. I saw that kit everywhere. Me too, hence my use of quotes around 'record'. I can't remember what the club claimed it had set a record for - but I'm sure they said it was the fastest or highest grossing or something. Perhaps they forgot to tell us (since 2006). Or perhaps it's a fudge caused by releasing the kit later than normal - resulting in 'fast' selling before the season began. Either way, I doubt that this season actually saw the huge numbers the club sold it as - largely because the shirt is not 'saints' and it's not an outstanding design. Xerox; Stripes; Sash; or something new that is actually well designed please. Only think I don't want to see is a new design that looks half or poorly designed (e.g. gold/yellow details on a red background, using an off the peg template). The curvy Xerox-esque mock up a few pages back, was by far the best looking new design I've seen for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Me too, hence my use of quotes around 'record'. I can't remember what the club claimed it had set a record for - but I'm sure they said it was the fastest or highest grossing or something. Perhaps they forgot to tell us (since 2006). Or perhaps it's a fudge caused by releasing the kit later than normal - resulting in 'fast' selling before the season began. Either way, I doubt that this season actually saw the huge numbers the club sold it as - largely because the shirt is not 'saints' and it's not an outstanding design. Xerox; Stripes; Sash; or something new that is actually well designed please. Only think I don't want to see is a new design that looks half or poorly designed (e.g. gold/yellow details on a red background, using an off the peg template). The curvy Xerox-esque mock up a few pages back, was by far the best looking new design I've seen for a while. Agree with all of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 @SouthamptonFC: The wait is almost over! Our 2013/14 home and away kits produced by @adidasUK will be revealed right here at 9am tomorrow morning. #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Mmm it's not very nice really is it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Gold! Always believe in your soul........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Is it me or are there two different shades of gold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Is it me or are there two different shades of gold? Well, one is stitched the other screen printed. At least the sponsor is not as obtrusive this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Disgusting. Will wait another year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MongoNeil Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Why's the Saints logo wonky? I so hope that this is some kind of elaborate hoax, it really is an awful kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Oh Kraken.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 I like it ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Quite like it actually, might get it...but it annoys me that we pay these designers so much money and they come up with something so basic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Quite like that If the black one is infant like those suggested. Like that even more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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