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The Real Madrid reds have 300million fans in Aisa, apparently.

 

Haha, you can be as facetious as you want. I've already explained that clubs like Madrid's heritage for excellence and success have been established a long time ago. We on the other hand, have been a bit anonymous, but for an FA cup win and a final appearance. We've got a tough task to make ourselves known in a market what will be the life blood of the sport for the not so distant future. We need all the help we can get, and in my opinion, the players we've brought in and the kit colour for our return to the top flight, broadcast around the world, on Asian TV's have been chosen for that purpose.

 

Just my opinion.

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Haha, you can be as facetious as you want. I've already explained that clubs like Madrid's heritage for excellence and success have been established a long time ago. We on the other hand, have been a bit anonymous, but for an FA cup win and a final appearance. We've got a tough task to make ourselves known in a market what will be the life blood of the sport for the not so distant future. We need all the help we can get, and in my opinion, the players we've brought in and the kit colour for our return to the top flight, broadcast around the world, on Asian TV's have been chosen for that purpose.

 

Just my opinion.

 

So just to confirm, now downgraded to simply your opinion, rather than "Cardiff have the same idea as us" and this all being some club masterplan.

 

Nothing the club have done or said has suggested we are making specific or concerted inroads into that market, and the club have never said our kit is part of that. A very, very stark contrast to Cardiff.

 

I would also like to take this opportunity to wish the lads well on their pre season tours of Spain and Austria.

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Colour has f**k all to do with Asian popularity. It may have an effect on immediate impression and traditional interpretation but really, there is only one way to be certain of Asian market expansion.

 

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So just to confirm, now downgraded to simply your opinion, rather than "Cardiff have the same idea as us" and this all being some club masterplan.

 

Nothing the club have done or said has suggested we are making specific or concerted inroads into that market, and the club have never said our kit is part of that. A very, very stark contrast to Cardiff.

 

I would also like to take this opportunity to wish the lads well on their pre season tours of Spain and Austria.

 

Always been my opinion, I'm not a club spokesperson?

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Nothing the club have done or said has suggested we are making specific or concerted inroads into that market, and the club have never said our kit is part of that. A very, very stark contrast to Cardiff.

 

The club did make a dedicated Japanese language Twitter feed. I'd say that was fairly indicative? @SouthamptonFCJP

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The club did make a dedicated Japanese language Twitter feed. I'd say that was fairly indicative? @SouthamptonFCJP

 

That is, like, immense.

 

Notice they've used loads of red on the badge for that Twitter account because those cute little Oriental sheep only respond to things that are red red red red red red. Oh, it's the black and silver badge. Funny that.

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Apparently, from what I've heard (and I keep my sources secret so no point in asking - they are ITK though), we will be unveiling our kit before the beginning of the season and it will have red on it. In addition, I have been reliably informed that we will be making a signing before 31 August.

 

Just thought I'd share the info.

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The colour of our shorts and socks from 1891 to 1950? 59 years is a large % of the clubs history and was the "traditional" kit whilst my grandfather was growing up. I wonder if his generation liked the change from the traditional blue to black and red/white in 1950?

 

I'm sure they embraced the new postwar technology that enabled them to have black shorts. Almost everyone was in navy or white until then, the processes didn't exist to have other colours.

 

And FWIW I think navy shorts would look great. I've done a mix and match before and it goes really well - plus it's embedded in long term Saints history. The problem with the all red shirt is that the history is lacking as the previous all red in 85 was in itself a one-off total redesign for the club anniversary.

 

Also, short / sock colours are secondary to the shirt, though when the shirt is 'wrong', them being right minimises the impact.

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Fwiw, Switzerland don't play in all red. They have white shorts, and only play in all one colour in major tournament finals in line with FIFA's ridiculous "predominant colour" policy for finals tournaments. This is also why England's recent kits were all white and why they'll probably drop the navy shorts for 2014. But anyway...

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Just thought I'd add this to the thread as a reference. From Twitter...

 

benmould86: What's going on the #SainstFC world? People saying the aap3 sponsor deal has gone? @aap3saints any clarification

 

aap3saints: @benmould86 all to be announced with new kit #comingsoon - check http://t.co/sLL7JcSpbE for info

 

Now makes me wonder if they are still club sponsor but no longer shirt sponsor or something similar?

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> The problem with the all red shirt is that the history is lacking as the previous all red in 85 was in itself a one-off total redesign for the club anniversary

 

Was the red shirt for 85-86 really a centenary design? I know it had the special badge. But I don't recall ever hearing that the design itself was created to mark the anniversary. I always thought that it was just an example of poor unthinking design by Patrick rather than a special effort. When Lawrie went to Sunderland they switched to Patrick and I can't help but think that the design they got - a twist on the 1980 Keegan design with stripes instead of the plain white panel - had been created for us, even down to the white socks that Sunderland had never worn before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, short / sock colours are secondary to the shirt, though when the shirt is 'wrong', them being right minimises the impact.

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What's this 'predominant colour' policy? I don't get your point, many teams play with multiple colours and have shorts a different colour from their tops.

 

It's in the competition rules which have been online for a couple of years (since the qualification began).

 

You'll basically see loads more teams playing in one single colour, and far fewer three colour combinations (eg Brazil's yellow/blue/white is all but done) and far more "two colour" outfits where the colours don't contrast.

 

Basically it looks like they're making it up as they go along to me, but Italy have worn all blue in two of their three Confed Cup games and all white in the other. Brazil have worn yellow/blue/blue or yellow/white/white, Japan all white, and Mexico green/white/white, green/red/red and (when Japan wore all navy) white/red/white.

 

Only Japan's all white is a combination they regularly use as either a home or away kit, the other teams usually wear either x/y/x (shirt/short/socks) or x/y/z combinations, but they all seem to be forced into x/x/x or x/y/y... if you follow.

 

The only time a team seems able to wear x/y/x is when none of it's colours are part of the opposition's main kit colour.

 

It completely puts the mockers on Brazil though, they'd only be able to wear their normal home colours against a team that doesn't wear yellow or blue or white, so basically teams in all red, or all black, or all green, and Holland (who are already "all orange" now most of the time). Any other time they have to change something.

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> The problem with the all red shirt is that the history is lacking as the previous all red in 85 was in itself a one-off total redesign for the club anniversary

 

Was the red shirt for 85-86 really a centenary design? I know it had the special badge. But I don't recall ever hearing that the design itself was created to mark the anniversary. I always thought that it was just an example of poor unthinking design by Patrick rather than a special effort. When Lawrie went to Sunderland they switched to Patrick and I can't help but think that the design they got - a twist on the 1980 Keegan design with stripes instead of the plain white panel - had been created for us, even down to the white socks that Sunderland had never worn before.

 

Speculation on my part, but it seems like rather a coincidence.

 

Interesting comments about the Sunderland kit, I had no recollection of it at all, but I see what you mean, they wore this from 86/88 and have never worn white socks before or since :

 

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Also in seeking that out I spotted that Sunderland wore black shorts as early as 1888, so I think we can discount my theory earlier about Saints' navy shorts being due to the colour black "not being available"... although it IS true that more colours of shorts became available from the 1950s and led to a lot of teams changing colours just because they could.

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Something which has occurred to me is that we'll see the training kit on July 1st when the team is back in training, so that'll debunk all the "the leak is a training kit" stuff once and for all.

 

Also, our first friendly is 17th July, by which time they'll have to have unveiled at least ONE kit - because unlike the previous seasons where they've just not bothered wearing new kit and even worn previous season's kit (the yellow last pre-season after selling it off in the club shop but before they announced they would use it as a third, and the old L1 black away kit all through 2011/12 summer which was unprecedented at the time), this season they CAN'T wear last year's kit for contractual reasons.

 

I know people are ITKing that there will be an announcement next week anyway, but those dates guarantee we'll see something by July 17th.

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I'm not remotely surprised about the number of posts I have on this topic.

 

Can't believe MLG has posted "but we used to wear navy shorts" 33 times on this thread and Blakey has said "I hate stripes and like all red kits" 30 times now. :D

 

I'm somewhat disappointed that Batman hasn't got more than 29 "it's just a shirt" posts as well.

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Jesus Christ I've posted on this thread 68 (now 69) times!

 

What's strange is that you've managed to do it without me actually noticing. I'd have probably been able to name the other 6 in the top 7 off the top of my head. You must be remarkably reasonable or something.

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It's in the competition rules which have been online for a couple of years (since the qualification began).

 

Page 44 of the rules here :

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/Regulations/01/87/54/21/1875421_DOWNLOAD.pdf

 

The regulations state that for the Final Competition (of the World Cup)

"Each team shall inform FIFA of two different and contrasting colours (one predominantly light and one predominantly dark) for it's official and reserve team kit (shirts, shorts and socks)... Only these colours may be worn at the matches".

 

There's some other stuff in there about FIFA determining which colours teams will wear, and trying to ensure they get to wear their home kit at least once in the group stage, and potentially wearing combinations of home and away kits.

 

The rules are clearly in use in the Confederations Cup already anyway, looking at the otherwise inexplicable kit combinations being used.

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Oh yeah, and forgot to post the Ajax kit leak, this should annoy a few people, being a better Saints kit than the Saints kit.

 

LAJX1.jpg

 

You will note that this year's Ajax innovation is a diagonal weave pattern constructed of many smaller vertical stripes. But that otherwise it's exactly the same as every other adidas kit they've had, just using one of this year's templates (the same as the green Seattle kit).

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Just out of interest, there's a load of (sort of) 2014 adidas World Cup designs here which will define the adidas styles for 2014/15 (so we can start the thread even earlier next season) http://todosobrecamisetas.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/aclaracion-con-respecto-las.html - you might want to translate from Spanish, and note the comments about the designs, collars etc probably not being confirmed, but the colours are, and there seems no particular reason for Argentina to have such a large white bit at the bottom of the sleeve if it wasn't a design feature.

 

Anyway, 2014 World Cup potential leaks.

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Seems Swansea are getting the off the shelf Adidas shirt as well.

 

and as an aside, I wonder what the Saints #'comment' will be.

 

I expect it to be cringeworthy.

 

I was just gonna say what the **** is that hash tag all about? Ours will be something like #onthemarch or #joinsaintsjourney

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Every kit is boring really. Or hideous or uninventive. Most kits are met by this in varying degrees these days.

 

Some, not many but some, would say stripes are dull. I personally don't mind change at all with our colours (red and white)

And people like you, with zero interest in our history and tradition, are part of the problem. *"Change whatever you want, none of it really matters"...

 

I'm waiting for the first idiot to trot out the "red shorts take us to 'the next level' line"...

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Someone was saying on Twitter the other day (yes yes i know!) that the shirts turned up at St Mary's without a sponsor on, due to a new one falling through - Lotus? Red Bull?

 

Would imagine we'll be going back to aap3 as we haven't found anyone better.

 

Would give the leak more credibility unfortunately....anyone else heard similar?

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I'm waiting for the first idiot to trot out the "red shorts take us to 'the next level' line"...

 

 

We've had metric tonnes of that horsesh*t already on here.

 

Being all red is moving with the times. Stripes is trapped in the past. All red football kit is "progress".

 

Not to mention the utter feckwittery of "this is a masterplan to takeover Aisia".

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We've had metric tonnes of that horsesh*t already on here.

 

Being all red is moving with the times. Stripes is trapped in the past. All red football kit is "progress".

 

Not to mention the utter *****wittery of "this is a masterplan to takeover Aisia".

As well as the fact that red and white stripes are far too commonplace and we're creating a new distinctive brand with our never seen before all-red attire.

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Oh yeah, and forgot to post the Ajax kit leak, this should annoy a few people, being a better Saints kit than the Saints kit.

 

LAJX1.jpg

 

You will note that this year's Ajax innovation is a diagonal weave pattern constructed of many smaller vertical stripes. But that otherwise it's exactly the same as every other adidas kit they've had, just using one of this year's templates (the same as the green Seattle kit).

 

Simple & outstanding.

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