Colinjb Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 In a club's history there is a transition point, for Saints with blue shorts and socks to black shorts and red/white socks it was 1950, for Leeds with an all white kit it was the 1960 etc etc. For Saints with an mainly red shirt perhaps it is 2012 and that will now become our "tradition" over the coming years. Not all of us accept it like that. Transition occurs, but I and essentially everyone I know socially who support Saints do not. F**k the red kits. We are Southampton... we are red AND white. #saveourstripes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Loads will buy it, they always do. I don't even know why grown men buy it anyway. I buy one if I really like it and if I could do with another shirt to play 5 a side in. Not sure why any grown man would want to go to a game in their shirts on anyway. And why any fan would go to an away game in colours is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Which bits of our history are people suggesting we disregard? The colour of our shorts and socks from 1891 to 1950? 59 years is a large % of the clubs history and was the "traditional" kit whilst my grandfather was growing up. I wonder if his generation liked the change from the traditional blue to black and red/white in 1950? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 The colour of our shorts and socks from 1891 to 1950? 59 years is a large % of the clubs history and was the "traditional" kit whilst my grandfather was growing up. I wonder if his generation liked the change from the traditional blue to black in 1950? It doesn't matter. It's about what people want now. Hindsight has no relevance if there is discontent now. Riots used to be crushed with armed force back in the day. Should we do that in Brazil now? (Extreme example, yes.... but your unfeeling pragmatism has no place here, in a fundamentally emotional argument. We like the kits we have grown up with, known and identify with, we want to keep them!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 I wonder if there was a campaign about this shocking change of a 59 year change in "traditional kit "in 1950? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Shorts and socks aren't really a massive change from blue to black though. The main part of the kit is the shirt, the other bits i'm not really that bothered about (although our red shorts looked **** this year IMO), really don't understand why people would just accept it. We are Southampton, R+W striped shirts, black shorts, red/white socks. Simple. It's almost like Cortese just has to do a few things a year to just remind everyone who is in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 I wonder if there was a campaign in 1950? It is your right to not care and hold a contrary opinion. I respect that.... respect our right to overwhelmingly disagree and desire to at least try to do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Which bits of our history are people suggesting we disregard? All of it - or so our CEO seems to wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 It doesn't matter. It's about what people want now. Hindsight has no relevance if there is discontent now. Riots used to be crushed with armed force back in the day. Should we do that in Brazil now? (Extreme example, yes.... but your unfeeling pragmatism has no place here, in a fundamentally emotional argument. We like the kits we have grown up with, known and identify with, we want to keep them!!) Where do you draw the line? There will still be Saints fans going to St Mary's in 2013 that remember the traditional days of blue shorts and socks pre 1950. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 It would have been so easy to take last season's Ajax kit and reverse the colours... if they only did that we'd be lapping it up. Not a difficult concept is it. But then people would say we've copied Ajax. Why do that when we can look like a Charlton, Swindon, Crewe or Bristol City ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Where do you draw the line? There will still be Saints fans going to St Mary's in 2013 that remember the traditional days of blue shorts. You are missing the point by boiling it down to logic. This is an emotional argument. Deep down, it's football... who cares what the team wear so long as they win, right? Massively wrong. It is identity, the identity we have associated with the the majority of our lives... even those who remember the blue shorted days will have known the now accepted format over the last 60 years... given a 90 year old fan that is in excess of 2/3's of their life. It is what we identify with and associate with our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 The colour of our shorts and socks from 1891 to 1950? 59 years is a large % of the clubs history and was the "traditional" kit whilst my grandfather was growing up. I wonder if his generation liked the change from the traditional blue to black and red/white in 1950? They probably didn't, I don't know. But change in colour of shorts is relatively minor compared to change in colour of the whole kit. MLG, what would you think if Cortese decided he wanted a blue shirt and white shorts to emulate his favourite Italian teams of the early 80s? Would you be bothered by that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 They probably didn't, I don't know. But change in colour of shorts is relatively minor compared to change in colour of the whole kit. By the same logic, isn't a change in the colour of shorts from black to red relatively minor? As is the shirt going from red and white to... Oh, staying red and white, just a different configuration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Now that I like. Much better than stripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 You are missing the point by boiling it down to logic. This is an emotional argument. Deep down, it's football... who cares what the team wear so long as they win, right? Massively wrong. It is identity, the identity we have associated with the the majority of our lives... even those who remember the blue shorted days will have known the now accepted format over the last 60 years... given a 90 year old fan that is in excess of 2/3's of their life. It is what we identify with and associate with our team. Stripes are awful. Much prefer plain shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 By the same logic, isn't a change in the colour of shorts from black to red relatively minor? As is the shirt going from red and white to... Oh, staying red and white, just a different configuration? Not really, no. In terms of a clubs identity, changing from red and white stripes to a predominately all red kit is a fairly major change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Stripes are awful. Much prefer plain shirts. I have to disagree. But then that is more about personal preference then club identity and I do respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Where do you draw the line? There will still be Saints fans going to St Mary's in 2013 that remember the traditional days of blue shorts and socks pre 1950. The tradition line, it seems, got drawn when Colinjb and/Sour Mash were born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 The tradition line, it seems, got drawn when Colinjb and/Sour Mash were born. I'm certainly not 60 years old thankyou! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Now that I like. Much better than stripes. is this not pretty much the same shirt as the blurry photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Not really, no. In terms of a clubs identity, changing from red and white stripes to a predominately all red kit is a fairly major change. Fair dos. Even stepping towards the emotional rather than logical end of the scale I'm happy with it, but then I'm big on clean, unfussy designs in my day job so that probably transfers to my taste. Each to their own of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 The tradition line, it seems, got drawn when Colinjb and/Sour Mash were born. So you don't think Saints traditionally play in red and white striped shirts? Yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 is this not pretty much the same shirt as the blurry photo I believe so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 To be honest it's not a million miles different to this is it? I was only 9 at the time so can't remember what people's reactions were to that as our centenary shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 To be honest it's not a million miles different to this is it? I was only 9 at the time so can't remember what people's reactions were to that as our centenary shirt. But that was a one off Centenery year kit. This is more an identity change. I have no problem with the club wanting to do something a bit different every now and again, but last years was scraping the barrell of acceptable, this leak looks like it was designed by a 5 year old with crayons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 It wasn't exactly an all red kit though.... As a whole, it moves away from the norm but there's enough to suggest it's Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 The reason we went from navy blue shorts to black was that the blue dye faded badly and so the change was for practical reasons. Personally I would like to go back to navy shorts but only if there are stripes above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 What an appaling kit. I love how Jamie comes on here every so often just to call the 9 sad or to say he doesn't care. Yes the 9 is a bit sad and obsessed but coming on here from time to time to continually tell him so is infinitely worse. Yep, coming on here to tell people how sad they are is indeed sad in itself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Yep, coming on here to tell people how sad they are is indeed sad in itself... Its been repeated by Jamie about every other page. We get the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 To be fair its all about sales and those kits which were not popular on this forum have been the biggest sellers so you can.t blame the club if they go down that route. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 You know, if you reverse the red and white colours, it will be close to xerox... maybe they are teasing us? Whatever the outcome, its better than what happened last year. And people who bought last years kits have no right to moan. The raptures over that kit only encouraged the club to ignore the fans this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 To be fair its all about sales and those kits which were not popular on this forum have been the biggest sellers so you can.t blame the club if they go down that route. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2 They said last years was 'our best ever seller'....more to do with us being back in the prem though than people actually liking the kit IMO. Hopefully less people buy that monstrosity and we get our stripes back asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 If that leak does turn out to be our kit next season I definitely will not be buying it. I bought last seasons kit but will go back to wearing our Championship promotion kit next season as I personally think stripes are much better than block red. Alternatively I saw they're selling the Rank Xerox kit in the megastore, might buy that instead of the new kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 If that leak does turn out to be our kit next season I definitely will not be buying it. I bought last seasons kit but will go back to wearing our Championship promotion kit next season as I personally think stripes are much better than block red. Alternatively I saw they're selling the Rank Xerox kit in the megastore, might buy that instead of the new kit. Shame the club don't have more retro shirts to buy. Would love to get a proper old school striped shirt. Love the Championship promotion kit, thought its one of the best I've seen us have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli_BN1 Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 To be honest it's not a million miles different to this is it? I was only 9 at the time so can't remember what people's reactions were to that as our centenary shirt. Am I right in thinking that this strip came with black shorts and white socks? I'm hoping for black shorts this year, just to distinguish us from Arsenal/ Livepool/ Man U/ Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Shame the club don't have more retro shirts to buy. Would love to get a proper old school striped shirt. Love the Championship promotion kit, thought its one of the best I've seen us have. Try Toffs. http://www.toffs.com/Southampton/products/775/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Disregard the future, for the sake of the past and you will go nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 To be fair its all about sales and those kits which were not popular on this forum have been the biggest sellers so you can.t blame the club if they go down that route. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2 were they? don't think we ever saw published sales figures, what i do know is the club shop had plenty of stock left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 They said last years was 'our best ever seller'....more to do with us being back in the prem though than people actually liking the kit IMO. Hopefully less people buy that monstrosity and we get our stripes back asap. i thought the term they used was "fastest" not best, without giving actual data that could mean sold most on day one, or first hour, who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 They said last years was 'our best ever seller'....more to do with us being back in the prem though than people actually liking the kit IMO. Hopefully less people buy that monstrosity and we get our stripes back asap. So was our sash kit Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 21 June, 2013 I think the9 is going to explode NyaRARARAARAHHAHAHAAAAARRGGHHHHHH. INNERNETZ RAGE ! Nah, I'm alright. I'd just rather we looked like Saints not Crappo Parks Kit FC from some random pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 21 June, 2013 They said last years was 'our best ever seller'....more to do with us being back in the prem though than people actually liking the kit IMO. Hopefully less people buy that monstrosity and we get our stripes back asap. They were blatantly lying and using the "Post Admin" era as their benchmark for "ever". We would have shifted loads more shirts in the early 2000s than this season's effort did, there was comparable internet availability for online sales, comparable Prem status, the most successful recent side in the 2003/4 period with a kit launch following the 2003 FA Cup Final, a new kit with a new ground in 2001/2. All of those are bigger "news" and supported by more numbers than getting back to the Prem from a lower starting point after a period where lots of the 2003 fans will have gone away. The fanbase was probably much lower in 2012 than 2003, and the kit supposedly the "fastest selling" was also widely disliked. The only unknown factor is international sales (hardly likely to be high until AFTER we got noticed in the Prem) and just the economy's bouyancy alone suggests fewer shirts sold last season than either 2003 or 2001 - I'm surprised they even sold more than the sash, which people loved for various reasons (one of which being that it was at the time thought to be a one-off departure from stripes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 (edited) I'm not against changing the shirt for a bit of variety - and improving sales - along the same lines as Bayern Munich have done lately with a red and white as the base colours. But last seasons kit was truly awful - it looked like an old Liverpool or Nottingham Forest kit with the pinstripes, red socks and shorts. And I don't think sales were that good as a result - and certainly not on the levels of the sash kit and the stripes from the year before. This new seasons shirt looks a lot better to me than the last season Liverpool pin stripe - not as good as the centenary shirt above - but it's OK. I am led to believe it will come with red shorts and red and white hooped socks though. The socks may be its saving grace however and make it a bit more Saintly. I'd like to see us return to red and white stripes with black shorts at some point in the near future as this is the archetypal Saints shirt. But I'd also like to see us use the sash again at some point - and maybe a halved or quartered red and white shirt at some point as well. My favourite shirts are the late 70's barcode shirt and the early 80s Air Florida shirt which are both variations of the red and white stripes though. But they both came with black shorts. Edited 21 June, 2013 by Rebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jude Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 ... I just think it shows such a lack of class...and shows we're a bit part team.. trying to copy other people.. rather than creating our own history.. if we get rid of stripes.. then at a push I don't mind... but at least come up with something with some style (it can't be that hard... as there are quite a few decent examples on this thread)... rather than just buying a kit from a car boot sale...... ... but we do need to get this in context... there might be a few s******s from opposing fans... but we could have appointed Joe Kinnear as Director of Football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jude Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 ... I just think it shows such a lack of class...and shows we're a bit part team.. trying to copy other people.. rather than creating our own history.. if we get rid of stripes.. then at a push I don't mind... but at least come up with something with some style (it can't be that hard... as there are quite a few decent examples on this thread)... rather than just buying a kit from a car boot sale...... ... but we do need to get this in context... there might be a few s******s from opposing fans... but we could have appointed Joe Kinnear as Director of Football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 Nah, I'm alright. I'd just rather we looked like Saints not Crappo Parks Kit FC from some random pub. Apart from the subjectiveness of it all, the simple fact is that we look like various other clubs who will all be in the same/very similar template... which should be of no surprise to anyone really, least of all someone who studies kits to the nth degree like you do. Few clubs have truly unique kits in terms of the design, most are going to be variations on a manufacturers theme. FWIW, if that is the kit, I think it's 'ok', and certainly better than last seasons. Like many, my personal preference would be for stripes, but I also accept that there are only so many ways you can redesign the same thing, and unlike many it seems, I'm quite happy to see alternative styles from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 21 June, 2013 Share Posted 21 June, 2013 ....of course all this bursting blood vessels could be a tad premature if the hideous kit posted on Twitter last night isn't actually the new kit! Just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 21 June, 2013 i thought the term they used was "fastest" not best, without giving actual data that could mean sold most on day one, or first hour, who knows As I established at the time, from the size of the queue to the times people were waiting for, Saints sold about 2000 shirts on the launch day last year. They could have done it without making people queue at the small store, but they wanted to create the impression of demand, so they served from the two tills in West Quay and had people queue out the door, rather than the 4 or 5 at the Megastore which wasn't open that day. Of course "fastest selling" might have just meant our newly chip and PIN enabled card machines (oooh, 21st century technology) were slightly quicker than someone signing a receipt. The utter lack of numbers to support the claim, and the club's hilarious record in massaging numbers for PR purposes (record attendance anyone?), along with the fact a lot of people hate the kit, is the main reason I simply don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 21 June, 2013 ....of course all this bursting blood vessels could be a tad premature if the hideous kit posted on Twitter last night isn't actually the new kit! Just saying.... It could be a late sample, but the fact it ties in with basically every rumour on this thread gives it credibility. Also, it's not a training top as people keep suggesting, this season's training tops are a different style altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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