Essruu Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 As I said last year, it's not just about the shirt, the red shorts and socks are the bit that leave the kit looking foreign. Throw in Black shorts and white socks and it will look a lot better. So you'd just like us to look like Man Utd instead of Liverpool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 As I said last year, it's not just about the shirt, the red shorts and socks are the bit that leave the kit looking foreign. Throw in Black shorts and white socks and it will look a lot better. So you'd just like us to look like Man Utd instead of Liverpool? Man Utd have white shorts and black socks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 I don't care about lots anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 So you'd just like us to look like Man Utd instead of Liverpool? No, as pointed out they wear white shorts/black socks. Check the kit history, the black shorts have been a mainstay since we went away from blue shorts in 1950 with white socks taking over since the mid 70's. http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Southampton/Southampton.htm The point is, there is more to identity then just the shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 No doubt, but they aren't going to do that are they? If it must be more plain, I'm far happier with the all white kit with a bit of red. Stops it being like leeds or spurs so it's still a little unique. No, they're not are they. The all white would be nice..... if a little MK Dons.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 And here is a sneak pick of the new kit as worn by Gaston Ramirez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Change the Nike logo to Adidas, blue shorts to black and that's all we need. Would be perfect. (Even better if they threw in Courtois for free also) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Have we ever had blue shorts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 (edited) Have we ever had blue shorts? Yes, for 59 years in a row from 1891 to 1950. So if people talk about a "traditional Southampton kit", what about these new black shorts that we started using after the club had already existed for 65 years. Black shorts for Southampton Football Club in 1950 were completely new, a Saints Web Forum in 1950 would have imploded over the change from blue shorts to black! If Saints wear an all red it for the next 65 years that will over time become the "traditional Southampton kit" and any change in 2078 to the kit will be met with "it isn't our traditional kit". Edited 14 June, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints848 Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Change the Nike logo to Adidas, blue shorts to black and that's all we need. Would be perfect. (Even better if they threw in Courtois for free also) http://www.atleticofans.com/club-history/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Same, some people just seem to have accepted we just play in red. I can't stand it either. Southampton play in stripes, I want our stripes back. That's not what the "stripes" poll said. From memory, 65+% for stripes, and more "I don't minds" than "I want us to play in one colour" around the 13% mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Yes, for 59 years in a row from 1891 to 1950. So if people talk about a "traditional Southampton kit", what about these new black shorts that we started using after the club had already existed for 65 years. Black shorts for Southampton Football Club in 1950 were completely new, a Saints Web Forum in 1950 would have imploded over the change from blue shorts to black! If Saints wear an all red it for the next 65 years that will over time become the "traditional Southampton kit" and any change in 2078 to the kit will be met with "it isn't our traditional kit". You've excelled yourself here, by managing to be outstandingly boring even on this thread, which is approaching Kit Nutjob status and is, at best, a subset of modern football supporting... ...and it's also something you've said about 5 times before. Five times before. Five times. Five. One more than four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Have we ever had blue shorts? More navy than "blue", and more due to the limited colour printing processes of the age than any major design choice. Black tended to be made up from numerous other colours and was a sod for running into other garments. I just made that last bit up, but it was convincing, wasn't it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2013 And here is a sneak pick of the new kit as worn by Gaston Ramirez... Why's he wearing an Exeter shirt ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Man Utd have white shorts and black socks. Except when they have white shorts and white socks which are their preferred European colours. They regularly change to black alternate shorts with the home kit too. Occasionally they even twin that with white socks too... logically (and I know you love logic), when they play a team who they don't need to change shirts against, who wear white shorts, and black (or dark) socks. So that would be... ... ummm... well, I know they have done anyway. Maybe at Everton when they were more navy than royal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2013 100% agree but until we hurt the club in the pocket by not buying it, nothing will change ! I'm already doing that. You get people on here smugly saying "you're only hurting yourself", for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2013 That mock up is nice IMO, but as Rebel said earlier the sleeves are white (certainly are on the short sleeve) not sure how that will work on the long sleeve? Rebel said the shirt was "red with white ends to the sleeve" which just suggests white cuffs to me - though as none of the current templates seem to have a "cuff" on the short sleeve shirts, not sure which template we're talking about (again). As usual, when it comes out it will fit all of the various descriptions except those of the bullsh11tters and we'll all be "oh, riiiight, THAT, yeah everyone said that...". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Would like a reverse of the new Ajax home shirt. If some geek can mock that up with our badge and a range of sponsors that would be lovely. As far as I'm aware there hasn't even been a leak of the Ajax home yet - the Portland Timbers away is pretty nice though (see much earlier in the thread). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Why's he wearing an Exeter shirt ? Haven't you heard? Twitter official, he handed in a transfer request! Must be off down exeter, its all coming together now ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mark Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Just looked again at the adidas confirmation announced on OS. Says '@southamptonfc are all in' and then has the 3 adidas stripes underneath! Just got me hoping that perhaps it may not be all red as suggested many times........fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Just looked again at the adidas confirmation announced on OS. Says '@southamptonfc are all in' and then has the 3 adidas stripes underneath! Just got me hoping that perhaps it may not be all red as suggested many times........fingers crossed. yeah i wondered bout that, it sounded like it should be a pun but didn't seem to make no sense. Mayber we're being sponsered by party poker or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Just looked again at the adidas confirmation announced on OS. Says '@southamptonfc are all in' and then has the 3 adidas stripes underneath! Just got me hoping that perhaps it may not be all red as suggested many times........fingers crossed. And what about the other 90% of the image, the bit that's not the 3 stripes (which we know will be on the shirt) ? If we were having stripes, I'd have expected it to be striped, probably with some predictable guff about "Saints in (3) stripes". The fact they haven't even hinted at stripes is the killer for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2013 yeah i wondered bout that, it sounded like it should be a pun but didn't seem to make no sense. Mayber we're being sponsered by party poker or something If adidas hadn't been using the "all in" thing for numerous other non-striped clubs it would be worth considering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 So stripes are looking very unlikely again. I wondered why Cortese isn't keen on having our stars in stripes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 The kits have been chosen. They are just waiting to sign up a new sponsor. The home kit will be a red shirt with white ends to the sleeves, with red shorts Based on the same design as the Bristol City and Hearts home shirts. The away kit will be black with a deep v-neck white collar. Based on the same design as the Aberdeen home shirt. The socks will be hooped. The badge will be gold or silver. Why is everyone taking this as gospel?? Source ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 Why is everyone taking this as gospel?? Source ?? Been quite a few people saying similar things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 14 June, 2013 Share Posted 14 June, 2013 And here is a sneak pick of the new kit as worn by Gaston Ramirez... Not happy with this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 (edited) And here is a sneak pick of the new kit as worn by Gaston Ramirez... Drawn by the guy who made The 1st Ted Bates Statue? Don't think Adidas will be pleased that we are keeping the Umbro Logo on the shirt. Edited 15 June, 2013 by ericofarabia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 That Hearts shirt is the worst I've seen of the new kits, up there with Liverpool away. I would prefer just an all red shirt to those stupid ones with no real style just blocks of colour all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Horrible, horrible Teamwear stuff.... I hope not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Take it from me we won't be having stripes for a long period now, black and gold away shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Take it from me we won't be having stripes for a long period now, black and gold away shirt. and you have this insight from Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 and you have this insight from Leeds Sorry, made a mistake, black and white away shirt, and yes I've lived in Leeds for over 10 years but I'm from Winchester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 This is what worried me about having adidas. They just churn out like for like kits from a template At least with Umbro the kits were unique for the the club, with small details that at least went someway into making you think the price was justified Like I ve said before, j ve been crying out for adidas/Nike to make our kits, but now it seems to be happening I wish it wasn't !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Just google image Ajax home shirt. The first one that comes up. That's what I'd like with all the red and white bits reversed. Think it'd result in the perfect Adidas style xerox kit. So simple to achieve isn't it ? But no doubt we'll end up with some other crap creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 I have it in my mind that teams wearing back win less games than they should. Stick to white, it makes you look bigger or bright yellow as its easier to spot a team mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Jim Lucas (Southampton Communications Officer) is a tease! Jim Lucas @JFBLucas 21m Looks like I'm #allin... Probably a new pair of trainers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 15 June, 2013 I have it in my mind that teams wearing back win less games than they should. Stick to white, it makes you look bigger or bright yellow as its easier to spot a team mate. Didn't seem to bother Man Utd for most of the 90s and 00s... and I'm not sure the effect is significant when 90% of the stadium is the same colour as the home team (except in Cardiff) either - plus anything gained could probably be offset by a study into the effect of teams both wearing different combinations of the same colour anyway (eg Everton in blue white blue against Leicester in white blue white, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Just google image Ajax home shirt. The first one that comes up. That's what I'd like with all the red and white bits reversed. Think it'd result in the perfect Adidas style xerox kit. Obviously I know what an Ajax shirt looks like generally, and funnily enough theirs is one they must have real problems marketing, because, really what can you do with it ? You can't vary the thickness of the stripes or even add a third colour... they just get the same thing every year with a different collar and occasional different shade of red print or jacquard weave. Luckily for Saints, it's only one of a few legitimate configurations for us... wish it was one we were using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Didn't seem to bother Man Utd for most of the 90s and 00s... and I'm not sure the effect is significant when 90% of the stadium is the same colour as the home team (except in Cardiff) either - plus anything gained could probably be offset by a study into the effect of teams both wearing different combinations of the same colour anyway (eg Everton in blue white blue against Leicester in white blue white, etc). I'm pretty sure there is a lot of (possibly pseudo) sports science and research to suggest that red is statistically a better colour to be wearing. Hang on I'm gonna look it up... ...yep, here you go. The it with a pinch of salt, but it makes an interesting read. Is it any wonder, in a culture of looking for any competitive advantage, some (particularly a chairman of a sports team that does seem to like this sort of thing) would give it go? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6097954/Why-teams-in-red-win-more.html And http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2325982/Sportsmen-wear-red-likely-winners-dressing-kill.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 June, 2013 Share Posted 15 June, 2013 Obviously I know what an Ajax shirt looks like generally, and funnily enough theirs is one they must have real problems marketing, because, really what can you do with it ? You can't vary the thickness of the stripes or even add a third colour... they just get the same thing every year with a different collar and occasional different shade of red print or jacquard weave. Luckily for Saints, it's only one of a few legitimate configurations for us... wish it was one we were using. Liverpool play in all red. Season in, season out. Not sure they "have trouble marketing" their kits. They sell shedloads. More than we will be doing chequerboard one season, Ajax another, plain red the next, sash, reverse sash, hummel retro, plain red again. Fans, or if you like, the general public don't really want perpetual change in something as inane as a football shirt. As a kit anorak you might but the rest of humanity doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2013 I'm pretty sure there is a lot of (possibly pseudo) sports science and research to suggest that red is statistically a better colour to be wearing. Hang on I'm gonna look it up... ...yep, here you go. The it with a pinch of salt, but it makes an interesting read. Is it any wonder, in a culture of looking for any competitive advantage, some (particularly a chairman of a sports team that does seem to like this sort of thing) would give it go? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6097954/Why-teams-in-red-win-more.html And http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2325982/Sportsmen-wear-red-likely-winners-dressing-kill.html I have this bookmarked from last year's thread, and it clearly says in various places that the "wearing red = success" thing is statistically unverifiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2013 Liverpool play in all red. Season in, season out. Not sure they "have trouble marketing" their kits. They sell shedloads. More than we will be doing chequerboard one season, Ajax another, plain red the next, sash, reverse sash, hummel retro, plain red again. Fans, or if you like, the general public don't really want perpetual change in something as inane as a football shirt. As a kit anorak you might but the rest of humanity doesn't. As it happens I'm in favour of Saints wearing stripes, and preferably the same home kit for 4 or 5 years at a time, whilst changing away kits annually. I was just pointing out that it's easier to shift kits if they change, not that it is what I want from a kit. As it happens, Liverpool have done quite well at selling "all red, season in season out". Except of course they've had pinstripes, and a big white V neck a couple of times, and massive big white adidas stripes all over their shirts, and ugly bird poo flecks, and the odd round neck, weird shaped stitching panels over the shoulder area, and changed manufacturers five times in the past 30 years which usually spikes sales anyway. Plus of course Liverpool had a global fanbase even 30 years ago and that's only grown, so it's difficult to know how many shirts they're actually shifting due to design changes, and how many are just from getting their stuff to new fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 June, 2013 I think most don't mind change so long as it remains red and white in some form. The poll on here said around 2/3rds want red and white specifically in striped form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 17 June, 2013 Share Posted 17 June, 2013 I have this bookmarked from last year's thread, and it clearly says in various places that the "wearing red = success" thing is statistically unverifiable. Aye, inconclusive studies all. The essence of my point was that such things are often acted upon by those looking for any advantage, however slight, psychological or suspect the hypothesis may be. It is true to say however, that the anthropological meanings of red, and the human response to it compared with other colours, has been debated for millennia; with empirical findings suggesting that we do indeed react quicker to red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 June, 2013 Share Posted 17 June, 2013 (edited) As it happens I'm in favour of Saints wearing stripes, and preferably the same home kit for 4 or 5 years at a time, whilst changing away kits annually. I was just pointing out that it's easier to shift kits if they change, not that it is what I want from a kit. As it happens, Liverpool have done quite well at selling "all red, season in season out". Except of course they've had pinstripes, and a big white V neck a couple of times, and massive big white adidas stripes all over their shirts, and ugly bird poo flecks, and the odd round neck, weird shaped stitching panels over the shoulder area, and changed manufacturers five times in the past 30 years which usually spikes sales anyway. Plus of course Liverpool had a global fanbase even 30 years ago and that's only grown, so it's difficult to know how many shirts they're actually shifting due to design changes, and how many are just from getting their stuff to new fans. So Ajax can't make changes to their collars or stitching panels then? Love your list of earth shattering changes that Liverpool have made to their kits over the years. Kinda proves my point that they've been in the same kit season in, season out. Edited 17 June, 2013 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Posted 17 June, 2013 Share Posted 17 June, 2013 The sleeves will be white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 17 June, 2013 Share Posted 17 June, 2013 Going on St Louis' info, this is my final guess. I'd happily buy that. I like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 17 June, 2013 Share Posted 17 June, 2013 Awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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