St.Patrik Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 My youngest daughter will sing in church on christmas eve so for the first time in my 41 years of living I will visit the church at christmas. Feels rather grown up now : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kirkup Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 For me Christmas is mostly about celebrating the birth of the greatest man who ever lived, the saviour of the world, Jesus Christ. If Dynamo had been born 2013 years ago all the Christians would be flocking to Bradford to worship. Jesus was just the first in a long line of illusionists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 (edited) If Dynamo had been born 2013 years ago all the Christians would be flocking to Bradford to worship. Jesus was just the first in a long line of illusionists. He wasn't even that, there are many people that pre-date Jesus in the Middle East that claim to be the Messiah, come back from the dead, Virgin Birth, heal the sick etc etc The Jesus story certainly wasn't original and it "borrowed" from many other older stories. Yet, a huge % of the world still believe these 2,000 year old myths, it really is time the human race grew up from believing these bronze age Middle Eastern myths. It would be laughable if it didn't have such a negative impact on human history. Edited 18 December, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 He wasn't even that, there are many people that pre-date Jesus in the Middle East that claim to be the Messiah, come back from the dead, Virgin Birth, heal the sick etc etc The Jesus story certainly wasn't original and it "borrowed" from many other older stories/myths. But he had fantastic potential ability and developed into a wonder kid and eventually a legend. A great story we can all relate to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 I never ever went to church, but when I met my wife, I used to go on Christmas mornings, as we all get together on christmas day. The reason for this was because her family have always grow up going to church, and kind of believe, I think her dad more then anyone. Then I stopped going as I did not enjoy it, and I found it very hypocritical being a non believer and feeling very strong about my non belief. Also found it a complete waste of 2 hours of Christmas Day. I now stay at home alone, have a drink, listen to music, and get the dinner going. I do sit and have sometime to myself to reflect on the year, and enjoy the peace, before the fantastic day really gets stared, when the whole family come back with the kids. I love Christmas, but none of it is religious on Christmas Day for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 He wasn't even that, there are many people that pre-date Jesus in the Middle East that claim to be the Messiah, come back from the dead, Virgin Birth, heal the sick etc etc The Jesus story certainly wasn't original and it "borrowed" from many other older stories. Yet, a huge % of the world still believe these 2,000 year old myths, it really is time the human race grew up from believing these bronze age Middle Eastern myths. It would be laughable if it didn't have such a negative impact on human history. I have often wondered what the outcome would be if the Jesus story happened in England this day and age... Some bloke from Basingstoke instead of Bethlehem claims to be the son of god who will die for all our sins and be resurrected to save humanity. Would he spawn an international following that would last thousands of years and be the cause of countless wars? Or would people rightly just consider him a bit of a nutter and ignore him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 I have often wondered what the outcome would be if the Jesus story happened in England this day and age... Some bloke from Basingstoke instead of Bethlehem claims to be the son of god who will die for all our sins and be resurrected to save humanity. Would he spawn an international following that would last thousands of years and be the cause of countless wars? Or would people rightly just consider him a bit of a nutter and ignore him? Straight jacket time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Science don't work tho for me either. I mean I get the scientific cause and effect far back as the big bang but ultimately before then you've got to have a something from a nothing. That was Jebus I reckon! Maybe the computer sim is the best theory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 I'm agnostic myself. I understand that Clark. But no one can explain the world/universe/creation etc. I don't understand this need to mock people who do believe in a greater being though, putting all the emphasis on what they don't believe in, as opposed to offering what they do believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 It's not really odd is it. Sane minded people need to speak out in defiance of the irrational, hypocritical bigotry that spouts forth from many vocal religious types. The delusion of god has hindered the progress mankind for many centuries, so it's important that people can put forward an alternative, balanced view to combat religious extremism and consign these cults (let's face it - that's all they are) to the history books so we can move forward. That's what you think they are- doesn't mean because you believe in something its fact. Whilst religion or what you call 'cults' might not be so important in Britain at the moment, you only need to visit other parts of the globe to see how important faith is to so many, and that it can be an extremely positive thing for people who have less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Whilst religion or what you call 'cults' might not be so important in Britain at the moment, you only need to visit other parts of the globe to see how important faith is to so many, and that it can be an extremely positive thing for people who have less. What positives can they get from religion, that they couldn't get as an atheist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 I have often wondered what the outcome would be if the Jesus story happened in England this day and age... Some bloke from Basingstoke instead of Bethlehem claims to be the son of god who will die for all our sins and be resurrected to save humanity. Would he spawn an international following that would last thousands of years and be the cause of countless wars? Or would people rightly just consider him a bit of a nutter and ignore him? David Icke springs to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 What positives can they get from religion, that they couldn't get as an atheist? Comfort. Feeling that someone somewhere is listening to them and looking out for them, a sense of community and belonging that would otherwise would be missing in their lives. I say all that as an atheist. Religion does has a place in society, just not as big a one as it has previously enjoyed, or believes it should enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 I'm agnostic myself. I understand that Clark. But no one can explain the world/universe/creation etc. I don't understand this need to mock people who do believe in a greater being though, putting all the emphasis on what they don't believe in, as opposed to offering what they do believe in. I've already explained that to you. Religion has been pushed upon people for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 What positives can they get from religion, that they couldn't get as an atheist? Some people need to believe in something otherwise what is the point to life and living!! Your 1 month old baby dies, it's all part of God's Plan, we don't know what it is (the Plan) but we should believe that there was a reason for it! Not very eloquently put but I hope you see what I mean. For mine, I was brought up Roman Catholic and then I discovered science! I couldn't reconcile the 2 so I went down the route that gave me empirical proof. I'm happy with my life, I don't believe there's anything beyond my body stopping working but I don't need to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 I'm agnostic myself. I understand that Clark. But no one can explain the world/universe/creation etc. I don't understand this need to mock people who do believe in a greater being though, putting all the emphasis on what they don't believe in, as opposed to offering what they do believe in. Maybe not, but this bloke's having a good go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Turok I'd rather believe in modern physics than ancient mumbo-jumbo. Sadly, no afterlife involved though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Yeah, because religion despite having no solid evidence hasn't had a huge negative on human history has it...!? Have you considered it might be a good thing to encourage rational thought, rather than believe in 2,000 year old bronze age myths? I'm not sure you can legitimately describe everybody who believes in God as less rational than you. Many philosophers, scientists, engineers and mathematicians believe in God. Maybe they've got reasons you don't understand? You seem to be anti-religion to a degree that is itself beyond rationality. And I would have thought a case could be put together to suggest that Atheism has had a rather negative impact on human history. Communist - and Atheist - China, Cambodia and USSR spring to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Comfort. Feeling that someone somewhere is listening to them and looking out for them, a sense of community and belonging that would otherwise would be missing in their lives. I say all that as an atheist. Religion does has a place in society, just not as big a one as it has previously enjoyed, or believes it should enjoy. It does have a place; whether it deserves one at all is debatable, and I'd say it doesn't as religion (or at least Christanity) is a premise based on virtually no factual proof. If mankind needs to create such a falsehood for itself just to feel a little more comfortable, or to create its own set of life rules, then we have no business calling ourselves an intelligent being. Religion is a faith-based notion with little empirical evidence and, given the scientific breakthroughs of the last few centuries, a backwards step. Wow, that was deep. This thread used to be about Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Maybe not, but this bloke's having a good go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Turok I'd rather believe in modern physics than ancient mumbo-jumbo. Sadly, no afterlife involved though. I prefer the ones with the afterlife, they are so much more comforting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Some people need to believe in something otherwise what is the point to life and living!! Your 1 month old baby dies, it's all part of God's Plan, we don't know what it is (the Plan) but we should believe that there was a reason for it! Not very eloquently put but I hope you see what I mean. For mine, I was brought up Roman Catholic and then I discovered science! I couldn't reconcile the 2 so I went down the route that gave me empirical proof. I'm happy with my life, I don't believe there's anything beyond my body stopping working but I don't need to... All valid points but there are many sources of comfort which involve spirituality but doesn't result in non-believers being told they are basked in sin and would burn in hell for all of eternity if they don't believe and comply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Personally I wouldn't trust anyone who believes in a God. It's as pathetic as adults believing in pixies & fairies. Anyone who pushes religion onto their kids should have their kids removed from them on the grounds that they are fu.cking nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 That's what you think they are- doesn't mean because you believe in something its fact. Whilst religion or what you call 'cults' might not be so important in Britain at the moment, you only need to visit other parts of the globe to see how important faith is to so many, and that it can be an extremely positive thing for people who have less. Or you could also look at the negative effects it has on people with less... A guy I know runs a charity in Nigeria that was on Channel 4's Dispatches program a few years ago. He and his colleagues run a shelter for children that have been abandoned by their families because of 'Exorcists' who go into villages and identify children as witches so they can charge a huge sum to 'cure' them - a process which often involves some form of mutilation that will leave the child scarred for life (physically and emotionally). These people are poor and have no real education, and all they know is what has been rammed down their throats by Christian preachers all their lives, so in their fear of god they believe these evil men and cast their own children out of their village because they believe they are witches and cannot afford the fee for the 'exorcism'. Either that or they simply murder them and burn the bodies. For centuries the idea that a judgemental father figure is watching our every move has been perpetuated as a form of population control... Be a good citizen and you will get everlasting peace in the garden of Eden, but misbehave and you will burn in the eternal fires of hell. Really convenient that isn't it? That authorities can get people to conform out of fear that they will spend an eternity in unspeakable pain if they don't. If people can't see through that which is so obvious and want to carry on talking to their invisible friend for comfort then that's fine. But when religious organisations start wanting public acceptance of their deranged ideas and even including them in government policy then that is when atheists must speak out and fight back against it. If religious people are allowed to publicly state they believe that god does exist, then why should atheists not be given an equal platform to argue that he doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 (edited) Comfort. False hope isn't healthy and can actually be dangerous. Feeling that someone somewhere is listening to them and looking out for them Again is it healthy to lead you life like that if there is no evidence to justify such a belief? a sense of community and belonging that would otherwise would be missing in their lives. Why can't that come from a secular community? It isn't unique to organised religion. Organised religions segregating into "communities" is what has caused alot of problems in world history. Wars breaking out over which ancient dogma to follow. Edited 18 December, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 (edited) I'm not sure you can legitimately describe everybody who believes in God as less rational than you. Many philosophers, scientists, engineers and mathematicians believe in God. Maybe they've got reasons you don't understand? You seem to be anti-religion to a degree that is itself beyond rationality. They may well be "scientists, engineers and mathematicians" in their professional lives, but if they believe in God then they are not applying their rationality. In their professional lives they require evidence, religion doesn't provide solid evidence. And I would have thought a case could be put together to suggest that Atheism has had a rather negative impact on human history. Communist - and Atheist - China, Cambodia and USSR spring to mind. Hitler and Stalin both had moustaches, does that mean all people with moustaches are evil? Just because a godless regime does bad things, it doesn't mean atheism is bad. If you take current UK law, the Bible could be banned from publication for inciting... - genocide - infanticide - murder - rape - homophobia - sexism etc etc Edited 18 December, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Or you could also look at the negative effects it has on people with less... A guy I know runs a charity in Nigeria that was on Channel 4's Dispatches program a few years ago. He and his colleagues run a shelter for children that have been abandoned by their families because of 'Exorcists' who go into villages and identify children as witches so they can charge a huge sum to 'cure' them - a process which often involves some form of mutilation that will leave the child scarred for life (physically and emotionally). These people are poor and have no real education, and all they know is what has been rammed down their throats by Christian preachers all their lives, so in their fear of god they believe these evil men and cast their own children out of their village because they believe they are witches and cannot afford the fee for the 'exorcism'. Either that or they simply murder them and burn the bodies. For centuries the idea that a judgemental father figure is watching our every move has been perpetuated as a form of population control... Be a good citizen and you will get everlasting peace in the garden of Eden, but misbehave and you will burn in the eternal fires of hell. Really convenient that isn't it? That authorities can get people to conform out of fear that they will spend an eternity in unspeakable pain if they don't. If people can't see through that which is so obvious and want to carry on talking to their invisible friend for comfort then that's fine. But when religious organisations start wanting public acceptance of their deranged ideas and even including them in government policy then that is when atheists must speak out and fight back against it. If religious people are allowed to publicly state they believe that god does exist, then why should atheists not be given an equal platform to argue that he doesn't? Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 And I would have thought a case could be put together to suggest that Atheism has had a rather negative impact on human history. Communist - and Atheist - China, Cambodia and USSR spring to mind. We would be here all day if we listed the negative things to impact on human history related to religion, from the crusades to the holocaust to 9/11 etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 And I would have thought a case could be put together to suggest that Atheism has had a rather negative impact on human history. Communist - and Atheist - China, Cambodia and USSR spring to mind. And of course religious groups have always been a shining beacon of purity and truth I suppose? Oh, hang on... The Catholic Church is undoubtedly the most evil and corrupt organisation the civilised world has ever known. Its leaders have used murder, oppression and destruction of countless cultures in order to further their influence around the globe. Even to this day we have a pope - a man who claims the highest moral authority on Earth as god's chosen representative - that knowingly covered up the habitual rape of children by members of his organisation. And still we are expected to listen to his 'wisdom'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Religion? The bare minimum for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 (edited) Even to this day we have a pope - a man who claims the highest moral authority on Earth as god's chosen representative - that knowingly covered up the habitual rape of children by members of his organisation. And still we are expected to listen to his 'wisdom'? "Tho shalt not be a Pedophile" not mentioned on the 10 commandments, yet "tho shalt not covet your neighbours Ox" is. Are these the morals of a deity we should respect? I think he has his priorities wrong on his "do not do" list don't you? Luckily Western law isn't tied by Biblical ramblings from ancient scripture and adapts over time. He also told Moses his list in a time of primitive communication which mean those in America wouldn't here of these commandments until the 1400's and Australia until the 1700's. Seems a callous and incompetent deity to me. Edited 18 December, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Religion is an odd one. Science proves consistently that there is so much beyond our comprehension, therefore the concept of a god or supreme being cannot be ruled out. Organised religion as we know it though is utterly driven by political means rather then any desire to encourage enlightenment (Buddhism notwithstanding.) The Agnostic route is surely preferable to one of complete disregard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 None, thank ****. Religion ruins most things in the world; I wouldn't want it ****ing up Christmas as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 None, thank ****. Religion ruins most things in the world; I wouldn't want it ****ing up Christmas as well Yet without it there would be no Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 December, 2012 Share Posted 18 December, 2012 Yet without it there would be no Christmas. Yuletide greetings says you're only half right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 Yuletide greetings says you're only half right. Well, it certainly helped perpetuate it. Yuletide greetings to all! Have a pensive Christmas one and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 Hitler and Stalin both had moustaches, does that mean all people with moustaches are evil? Just because a godless regime does bad things, it doesn't mean atheism is bad. There seems to be a double standard being applied here. You seem happy to say that because some religious people have done bad things, all religion is bad, but seem to refuse the idea that because some athiests have done bad things, all atheism is bad. Of course, both theists and athiests have done bad things. And, of course, this does not prove that either underlying world view is faulty, just that people do bad things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 False hope isn't healthy and can actually be dangerous. Surely false hope is better than no hope Again is it healthy to lead you life like that if there is no evidence to justify such a belief? Surely a belief that you are being watched over is better than feeling crushing loneliness? Why can't that come from a secular community? It isn't unique to organised religion. How is the local community feel around you these days? How many people really know the people in their neighbourhood? I would suggest that the secular community has all but broken down in this country. Organised religions segregating into "communities" is what has caused alot of problems in world history. Wars breaking out over which ancient dogma to follow. It is not the religion that is the problem, it is the leaders of the religions who use it as a smokescreen to cover other, more secular, motives. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 Keep hearing about this Jesus guy.... HCDAJFU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 Please stick to the topic rather than arguing about whether Christianity is evil or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 Keep hearing about this Jesus guy.... HCDAJFU? Doubt it, he wasn't that great the first time round and definitely wouldn't get in ahead of Clyne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 He wasn't even that, there are many people that pre-date Jesus in the Middle East that claim to be the Messiah, come back from the dead, Virgin Birth, heal the sick etc etc The Jesus story certainly wasn't original and it "borrowed" from many other older stories. Yet, a huge % of the world still believe these 2,000 year old myths, it really is time the human race grew up from believing these bronze age Middle Eastern myths. It would be laughable if it didn't have such a negative impact on human history.Christmas is a PAGAN not a Christian festival. The 25th December was celebrated in ancient days as the birthday of the unconquerable SUN god, (variously know as Tammuz, Mithra, Saturn, Adonis or BAAL) centuries before Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem. Nowhere in the Bible are believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob required to celebrate Christmas. The early Christian church did not celebrate Christmas. Instead it celebrated the sacred festivals mentioned in the Bible, in Leviticus chapter 23. In order to win Gentile converts to the Christian faith, the Roman Church, centuries after the apostolic era, adopted this ancient pagan winter festival of the SUN god and renamed it 'Christmas' mistakenly thinking that it would honour the SON of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 Keep hearing about this Jesus guy.... HCDAJFU? Well, I keep hearing that Jesus saves, so perhaps he could be the answer to our GK problem? Although, something tells me that he wouldn't be that good at dealing with crosses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 I usually sing in a church choir at Xmas.....my views have really changed over the years away from mainstream Christianity to something more spiritual. Maybe the planet and all its inhabitants are connected.....and we should take care of our surroundings including those less fortunate than ourselves. It will be a non church christmas this year with the service clashing with Saints v Sunderland...I can't get back to Newbury by 18:00 when the service starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 Well, I keep hearing that Jesus saves, so perhaps he could be the answer to our GK problem? Although, something tells me that he wouldn't be that good at dealing with crosses The graffiti used to be: 'Jesus Saves, but Macari (fill in any other 70s player) scores on the rebound!' I think generally that Jesus lived a good life, doing good things. He was pretty cool, but then again my understanding is pretty much informed by the child's bible and Jesus Christ Superstar. God always struck me as a bit ..unpredictable, not a captain I would necessarily respect. Incidentally, I am not sure that hot places (eg Australia), have historic midwinter festivals (ie in July - when it can get to 0 at night in most places but is normally 20 or so in the day). Not exactly hard living requiring a festive celebration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 There seems to be a double standard being applied here. You seem happy to say that because some religious people have done bad things, all religion is bad, but seem to refuse the idea that because some athiests have done bad things, all atheism is bad. Of course, both theists and athiests have done bad things. And, of course, this does not prove that either underlying world view is faulty, just that people do bad things. Plenty of people have done evil (and good) things in the name of their religion. I'm not aware of anyone doing anything in the name of atheism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 December, 2012 Share Posted 19 December, 2012 (edited) On the 24th, we go to church in the early evening, then sing a couple of carols and listen to my eldest read the Nativity story, in classical European Catholic fashion. Once the kids are tucked up in bed on the 24th, we put the presents out for the kids in the morning, then our Christmas descends into classical British Whatever fashion - drunken debauchery. 25th follows the British fashion too - eating too much, drinking too much, Queens Speech, slobbing about. I am happy to follow a religious 24th for the kids and missus, I find it very uplifting. And I am also an engineer. Dont get the implication that being an engineer, atheism automatically follows. One of my uni lecturers was very religious, when one of the students challenged him he explained that the existence of silicon oxide, was all the evidence he needed (for all those not in the know, the oxide of Silicon has unique properties compared to those of other group IV elements, allowing it to be created and shaped to the required dimensions and thicknesses for MOSFET gates). Very odd bloke.. Edited 19 December, 2012 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 20 December, 2012 Share Posted 20 December, 2012 Plenty of people have done evil (and good) things in the name of their religion. I'm not aware of anyone doing anything in the name of atheism. I really hope you're not suggesting that genocide is OK so long as it's not done in the name of something? And the examples I mentioned (chosen at random) were done in the name of the proletariat, or in the name of communism, or in the name of equality. The Nazis killed millions in the name of the German people, or in the name of Hitler. Does that make them more acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 20 December, 2012 Share Posted 20 December, 2012 I really hope you're not suggesting that genocide is OK so long as it's not done in the name of something? And the examples I mentioned (chosen at random) were done in the name of the proletariat, or in the name of communism, or in the name of equality. The Nazis killed millions in the name of the German people, or in the name of Hitler. Does that make them more acceptable? Actually, Hitler believed that he was carrying out god's work in exterminating the Jews, so we can discount that one immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 20 December, 2012 Share Posted 20 December, 2012 Each to their own, Christmas is a time for forgiveness and compassion regardless of religeous persuassion, self righteous non believers can go and huddle around Hawkings wheelchair and sing some monotone ****e................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 20 December, 2012 Share Posted 20 December, 2012 There has been very little goodwill on here this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 December, 2012 Share Posted 20 December, 2012 Please stick to the topic rather than arguing about whether Christianity is evil or not. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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