egg Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 This thread is painful. Of course he hasn't always been sh!te. He was superb for Boro and Villa and has shown glimpses at Liverpool. He hasn't peaked. His confidence is shot like many who were signed by Dalglish and played under him. Given the right man management and confidence he could be a very decent player again. On the right terms, I would take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 So we have to have him because every England Manager (who apart from Ramsey who never had the chance to pick him) have failed in the Job, that have picked him have done so. If I still give Houghton the benefit of the doubt in the failure bit (I still think he will fail) Does that tell you that the England managers should not pick him as he has not helped there cause one iota. Sorry, but how have they 'failed' in the job? You are systematic of the problems we have in this country (The Sun syndrome) where you believe that the England side is far better than it actually is. Managers like Eriksson and Capello didn't fail, they did what was expected considering the strength of our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 This thread is painful. Of course he hasn't always been sh!te. He was superb for Boro and Villa and has shown glimpses at Liverpool. He hasn't peaked. His confidence is shot like many who were signed by Dalglish and played under him. Given the right man management and confidence he could be a very decent player again. On the right terms, I would take him. This And a big fat WOOOSSSHH btw, you know who you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 I was a little perplexed at Villa's demolition of Liverpool when we barely threatened them (Liv.) a couple of weeks ago. It's a worrying formline - isn't it ? And yet not long ago, we thrashed Villa. So on the basis of your analogy, who is the best team of the three of us? There's nothing that unusual about a scenario like this; it happens often enough and you can't really draw any realistic conclusions from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Sorry, but how have they 'failed' in the job? You are systematic of the problems we have in this country (The Sun syndrome) where you believe that the England side is far better than it actually is. Managers like Eriksson and Capello didn't fail, they did what was expected considering the strength of our squad. They have failed by not delivering a trophy. If they (the managers) were as good as was made out they should have inspired our mediocre (your words not mine ) team to some sort of trophy. How can you quantify what was expected of them unless you were on the FA committee that gave them there directions when employed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 They have failed by not delivering a trophy. If they (the managers) were as good as was made out they should have inspired our mediocre (your words not mine ) team to some sort of trophy. How can you quantify what was expected of them unless you were on the FA committee that gave them there directions when employed? Er, how is this Downing/Saints related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 (edited) They have failed by not delivering a trophy. If they (the managers) were as good as was made out they should have inspired our mediocre (your words not mine ) team to some sort of trophy. How can you quantify what was expected of them unless you were on the FA committee that gave them there directions when employed? But you're quantifying by saying they were failures? Should we judge Adkins in the same way, if he doesn't deliver a trophy? Didn't Cortese alledgedly want Europe this season? So if we don't get that judging by your above comments then Adkins is a failure, no? Edited 17 December, 2012 by Dibden Purlieu Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 On a low fee and a big cut in wages he would be a good signing, he's got a qulaity left foot and would at the very least provide quality delivery. One bad move doesn't make him a bad player, the high transfer fee coupled with Liverpools then poor performance has knocked the confidence from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 (edited) They have failed by not delivering a trophy. If they (the managers) were as good as was made out they should have inspired our mediocre (your words not mine ) team to some sort of trophy. How can you quantify what was expected of them unless you were on the FA committee that gave them there directions when employed? They possibly did not get yhe team to perform as well as perhaps they could but they didnt exactly fail, and to say they should have delivered a trophy when they are up against the likes of Spain, Germany, Italy, Holland and France is laughable. Ok, so perhaps we can state that the french and dutch managers failed with the level of talent on display but England ? No Again you are confusing yourself with majority opinion which again is generally backed up my morons and morons that listen without question to the media. England is simply not good enough and plays with tactics that just dont suit a modern game vs most of the rest of the world. It seems the FA also insists on inclusion of its money spinners, ahem, I mean past stars abd so takes away from fielding youthful prospects. In fact when in the friendlies Hodgson does pick a young team and rests the aeging has beens he gets castrated for it. Downing certainly isnt as bad as many make out, like I said before I remember that Lucas Lieva was the worst player in the prem at one point, despite my insistsnce otherwise, now he is regarded as Liverpoools lynchpin, funny how majority opinion is regarded as gospel. Edited 17 December, 2012 by Smirking_Saint Iphone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 (edited) Er, how is this Downing/Saints related? Its not but I couldnt get Turkish off the Manager bit and here we are ? Edited 17 December, 2012 by PhilippineSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Its not but I couldnt get Turkish off the Manager bit and here we are ? I've given you facts to back up my opinion that he's decent. Lets hear yours as to why in your opinion anyone that rates him is on drugs and he's sh*te and always has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 And yet not long ago, we thrashed Villa. So on the basis of your analogy, who is the best team of the three of us? There's nothing that unusual about a scenario like this; it happens often enough and you can't really draw any realistic conclusions from it. The table doesn't lie Les. It also isn't a bias, pompous helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Talking about villa it is worrying how in form Benteke is ATM, everytime I watch him he impresses me more, reminds me of the impact that Drogba made, quick, strong and very good technique, he wont be at villa long IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 I've given you facts to back up my opinion that he's decent. Lets hear yours as to why in your opinion anyone that rates him is on drugs and he's sh*te and always has been. Because it is my opinion I don't rate him. I don't rate him as he has never performed consistently enough for club or country. Has a few good patches gets call up / transferred then perform's like the rest of the prima donna's and fails to deliver the goods. why would he be any different if he came to us to resurrect his career. I think you will find that I thought one person was on drugs not everybody who rates him. Although we may have got O'neil to start taking the tablets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Talking about villa it is worrying how in form Benteke is ATM, everytime I watch him he impresses me more, reminds me of the impact that Drogba made, quick, strong and very good technique, he wont be at villa long IMO This can't be true. Around a week ago when asked to suggest other strikers we could have bought for the money we spent on Rodriguez, when Benteke was suggested he was written off as just a lump and not very impressive at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 This can't be true. Around a week ago when asked to suggest other strikers we could have bought for the money we spent on Rodriguez, when Benteke was suggested he was written off as just a lump and not very impressive at all. Lets just say, theres much fewer people whos footballing opinions I trust and agree with then those that I do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 This can't be true. Around a week ago when asked to suggest other strikers we could have bought for the money we spent on Rodriguez, when Benteke was suggested he was written off as just a lump and not very impressive at all. Surely not? But the people who were saying this know SOOOO much about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 I'd certainly take him on loan for the rest of the season and see how he responds while AL is out. Decent enough player, does the simple things well but not worth the wage and fee he's on at Liverpool and what they will be asking as a transfer. I wouldn't be surprised to see him at Sunderland under O'Neil who got the most out of him at Villa (square peg in square hole kind of thing)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Would absolutely take him, people need to remember where we are really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 £3m and Southampton wages - yes. But it won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Told to find another club.......would you ??? Tell him to find another club? Certainly if he was playing for one I had anything to do with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Told to find another club.......would you ??? Would you what? Shoot him? Yes, I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Because it is my opinion I don't rate him. I don't rate him as he has never performed consistently enough for club or country. Has a few good patches gets call up / transferred then perform's like the rest of the prima donna's and fails to deliver the goods. why would he be any different if he came to us to resurrect his career. I think you will find that I thought one person was on drugs not everybody who rates him. Although we may have got O'neil to start taking the tablets. Ahh yes of course, consistency. How silly of me not to realise that the stick to beat most creative players with is not to be used in this instance as well. Remind me please of the wingers in the Premeir league who are consistent. The ones who are brilliant week in week out. The ones who 99/100 get the ball, beat the man deliver a peach of a cross onto the strikers head or boot for him to tuck it away. It shouldn't be too difficult, there must be dozens of them. Or are there? Or is it the fact that creative type players by the very nature are a little bit more up and down in form and constancy than your rock like centre half or ball winning midfielder. I mean, if there were a creative player who 99/100 did beat the man and deliver a peach of a cross onto the strikers head or boot then what would they be worth, £100m? £150m? More Prehaps? With a creative type of player a cross or a through ball an inch too high or long is a bad pass and Possesion lost, 2 or 3 times in a game and he would be the new Guly. Downing created 55 chances last season, none of which were taken, now unless you are silly enough to beleive he had 5 games where he was amazing and created them all in them and was crap for the rest just an inconsistent player would be , then that is a pretty respectable return for a player who is sh*te, always has been sh*te and you'd have to be on drugs to rate, is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 talking about consistency..you only have to look at Gaston Ramirez...NOT consistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 talking about consistency..you only have to look at Gaston Ramirez...NOT consistent Everyone's hero Lallana. Only a month ago people were moaning his form had dipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Everyone's hero Lallana. Only a month ago people were moaning his form had dipped. remember watching the WBA game...and thought he looked like a league 1 player at best...leaving fox out to dry, wandering all over the place with little final ball he did start playing very well after mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Told to find another club.......would you ??? I don't think we need a new left back now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 I like Downing. I've always thought he was a very good club level player. Not as a £20m player or on anywhere near the money he's on at Liverpool, but it's not so long ago he was outstanding at Villa and even played well in one or two England games. He scored a screamer against us on his wrong foot when playing for Boro and that left a real impression on me. Not many players hit the ball like that with their swinger. He clearly lost his way with his off the field problems causing a loss of form and confidence, but the statistic about him not scoring or getting any assists is slightly misleading. He got to the byline and created tonnes of chances that Suarez spurned time after time. Liverpool were **** and he got all the blame. We really need left and right midfielders to challenge our current two. He'd be be good choice at the right money if he has sorted his off the field problems out. Put an arm round him and get him up and down that line again and he would be a fine acquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Nonsense. Vastly overrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 If he was available and fitted our wage structures he would walk into our team. He is a decent player and I can imagine him popping lots of crosses on to Lambert's head to score. He won't come here though, reckon O'Neil will take him at Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 He's a fantastic player who is at the moment short on confidence. Nige, being the confidence builder he is would do wonders with him. And yes, he would walk in to our team, but I severely doubt we could afford his wages. A massive yes please from me if it were possible!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Surely not? But the people who were saying this know SOOOO much about football. The ones who really know all about football are those capable of writing off a team before the season is one third through; they're the real experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 The ones who really know all about football are those capable of writing off a team before the season is one third through; they're the real experts. I assume you are referring to me? If so, it looks like you're another one who obviously doesn't read threads properly. You show me where I wrote off our team after a third of a season and I will happily retract. If not, I think you should have to change your location to "DPS is God". Is that fair? All I can remember doing is criticising our Manager for not playing our strongest team week in, week out, criticising his strange substitutions etc and criticising some of our Summer buys. I can't ever remember writing off our season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Have always thought he was hugely overrated. And sometimes not even that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Would be a brilliant signing. The modern football fan is too short sighted sometimes. It hasn't worked for him at Liverpool. That's too bad. However if he came to a smaller club such as ours where there is less pressure I'm sure he would thrive. Not that we would have a chance signing him any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 I assume you are referring to me? If so, it looks like you're another one who obviously doesn't read threads properly. You show me where I wrote off our team after a third of a season and I will happily retract. If not, I think you should have to change your location to "DPS is God". Is that fair? All I can remember doing is criticising our Manager for not playing our strongest team week in, week out, criticising his strange substitutions etc and criticising some of our Summer buys. I can't ever remember writing off our season? I didn't mention any names at all. Certainly there were those who wrote off our season that early and if they feel a bit sheepish about it, then good. Regarding Downing, he has always struck me as an intelligent player with ability and certainly I'd be delighted if he came to us, provided that his wages weren't too excessive. He appears to lack a bit of confidence after a poor spell at Liverpool, who are in the doldrums at the moment. I have absolute faith in Adkins' ability to turn around a player's confidence levels and in this senvironment with the other players we have, I think that he would thrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Downings situation reminds me of Peter Crouch - big money move followed by dip in form. Seem to remember that he did alright for us, despite most of football (including me) thinking we were mental to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Whoever gets Downing is going to get a much better player than the one currently plying his trade at Liverpool. Sorry if anyone posted this before, but Rodgers wanted to play him at left-back at one stage. He'll have something to prove, and would slot in lovely here. Not sure how realistic that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 anyone who says no to downing is a sheep IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 remember watching the WBA game...and thought he looked like a league 1 player at best...leaving fox out to dry, wandering all over the place with little final ball he did start playing very well after mind His rise in form seemed to coincide with Cork's return, Cork being a great deal better defensively than Davis freed him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 It's a no from me because he lacks balls. Rather than taking on a full back he is always cutting inside and passing sidewards or backwards (he even manages to **** that up on a regular basis). I accept this is probably lack of confidence but we don't need that sort of player, especially battling against relagation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Can't see this happening for a number of reasons, most notably that we don't seem to like signing more direct players in preference of sticking with our passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 This can't be true. Around a week ago when asked to suggest other strikers we could have bought for the money we spent on Rodriguez, when Benteke was suggested he was written off as just a lump and not very impressive at all. and only a few weeks ago several posters on here said we would be so far adrift by Christmas at the bottom if we didn't sack that relegation would be a certainty. Puncheon and Fonte written off as out of their depth surely you don't expect intelligent informed opinion on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 I did see him play for Middlesbrough, Villa, England and Liverpool IMO he is Sh1te as confirmed by more than a few people on here and some Boro supporting colleagues. Why should I rate O'Neil it has nothing to do with this apart from he bought him once. if O'Neill rated him that highly why haven't Sunderland bought him then? but that is by the by. Shush now, Turkish says he's great and let that be the end of it. Unless, of course, Turkish is just making it up for laughs! Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Clueless hardman on the loose. Please stop following me around this forum. If you want to have a chat then we can meet somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Downing created 55 chances last season, none of which were taken, Number of chances is just a meaningless stat, says nothing about the quality of chances. Never mind the quality feel the width. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Please stop following me around this forum. If you want to have a chat then we can meet somewhere? More than happy to. Name the time and place. I assume you won't hide behind a computer then and try to act the hardman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 More than happy to. Name the time and place. I assume you won't hide behind a computer then and try to act the hardman. Ye old trip to Jerusalem, Nottingham. Saturday, 7pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Ye old trip to Jerusalem, Nottingham. Saturday, 7pm. Lol, so empty isn't it? "Oh yeah, come to Nottingham and I'll sort you right out". ****ing joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 More than happy to. Name the time and place. I assume you won't hide behind a computer then and try to act the hardman. Lol, so empty isn't it? "Oh yeah, come to Nottingham and I'll sort you right out". ****ing joke Firstly, you said name a place and time and I did, but that now seems an issue. Secondly, show me one place where I have said to you that I would "sort you right out". You're a goon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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