Gemmel Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Told to find another club.......would you ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 It would be interesting to see what Nigel Adkins could do with him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 He's no Adam lallana or Jason puncheon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 No. Think he'll go back to Middlesbrough on loan in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 16 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2012 It would be interesting to see what Nigel Adkins could do with him... Indeed. Slated because of the fee he was sold for, but ticks all of the boxes of the profile of player we seem to go for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 I would, under the right guidance and coaching and given time to get his confidence back he could be an excellent player for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Slated because of the fee he was sold for, but ticks all of the boxes of the profile of player we seem to go for. His wages at Liverpool are probably upwards of £70k p/w. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 If he came for free on a short term 6 month deal and agreed to chop his wages down to less than £10K per week, it'd be worth thinking about as a replacement while Lallana is injured. Otherwise; no, absolutely not. He really is painfully overpriced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 16 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2012 His wages at Liverpool are probably upwards of £70k p/w. Point taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 I would, under the right guidance and coaching and given time to get his confidence back he could be an excellent player for us. Or he could be the new Stuart Ripley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 If he came for free on a short term 6 month deal and agreed to chop his wages down to less than £10K per week, it'd be worth thinking about as a replacement while Lallana is injured. Otherwise; no, absolutely not. He really is painfully overpriced. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 No. He's ****. A winger with no assists and no goals last season, just what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Class England international. Much better than what we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 NO Emphatically .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 No. He's ****. A winger with no assists and no goals last season, just what we need. That was the assist leader the year before.... Good ol king kenny. If you get him cheap enough, and give him confidence and coax the best out of him then he could be a great player. He is however, essentially a winger, and we play with an attacking midfielder and two inside forwards, so you need to ask yourself woukd he fit the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 No, he's sh!t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 16 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Struggled at a big club with a big fee. Still a very good option for a club like us, and great competition with Lallana, Ramirez and JP. Would be great. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Those of you saying "no, he's ****", or similar, are ****ing clueless. He would obviously be a great addition to our squad. Whether he is at all realistic financially is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Those of you saying "no, he's ****", or similar, are ****ing clueless. He would obviously be a great addition to our squad. Whether he is at all realistic financially is another matter. Unfortunately too many people jump on a badwagon with out actually coming to their own informed opinions. Football is full of it, on my watch; Torres Carroll Downing Henderson Fox Guly Harry redknapp Etc etc are all f*cking useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Those of you saying "no, he's ****", or similar, are ****ing clueless. He would obviously be a great addition to our squad. Whether he is at all realistic financially is another matter. You calling me clueless? You want to say that to my face? Meet me in the pub for a chat and we'll see who's clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 No good having a player who is, by all accounts, dynamite on the training pitch but anonymous in a full stadium on a Matchday. We don't have room for passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Would he add something to the squad....definitely, would I want him here...definitely not. I like our low key, low wage approach, rather than bringing in high profile 'failures' who the media are ready to slate, think we'd be better off bringing in someone who is in good form but not as good, than someone who will cost a lot and not played well for 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 I personally think he's already peaked. Been told he can leave a club that got spanked at home by Villa yesterday. If we were top half of the Champ then yeah, but that's not where we want to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Class England international. Much better than what we've got. What drugs are you on was sh1te is sh1te always will be sh1te and certainly not a class international Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 No, he's sh!t. A typical, articulate response from our forum guru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Unfortunately too many people jump on a badwagon with out actually coming to their own informed opinions. Football is full of it, on my watch; Torres Carroll Downing Henderson Fox Guly Harry redknapp Etc etc are all f*cking useless Spot on as usual fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 What drugs are you on was sh1te is sh1te always will be sh1te and certainly not a class international Do you not rate Martin O'Neill as a manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Downing was a great youngster at Boro and deservedly got a move to Villa, where he did excellent with Young on the other side. Unfortunately, like always happens with English players, managers do what they can to sign them and pay over the odds which always has a negative effect. There is immediate pressure on the player to perform and the team to do well. Daglish at Liverpool is the perfect example. He signed 3 talented players in Henderson, Carroll and Downing, playing really well for their clubs, for ridiculous sums of money which unfortunately has damaged their careers. They aren't bad players. The managers and chairman who pay the stupid money are. He would be a decent addition IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Downing was a great youngster at Boro and deservedly got a move to Villa, where he did excellent with Young on the other side. Unfortunately, like always happens with English players, managers do what they can to sign them and pay over the odds which always has a negative effect. There is immediate pressure on the player to perform and the team to do well. Daglish at Liverpool is the perfect example. He signed 3 talented players in Henderson, Carroll and Downing, playing really well for their clubs, for ridiculous sums of money which unfortunately has damaged their careers. They aren't bad players. The managers and chairman who pay the stupid money are. He would be a decent addition IMO. Despite your incredibly bad user name, your comments are spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 I personally think he's already peaked. Been told he can leave a club that got spanked at home by Villa yesterday. If we were top half of the Champ then yeah, but that's not where we want to be. I was a little perplexed at Villa's demolition of Liverpool when we barely threatened them (Liv.) a couple of weeks ago. It's a worrying formline - isn't it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 If he came for free on a short term 6 month deal and agreed to chop his wages down to less than £10K per week, it'd be worth thinking about as a replacement while Lallana is injured. Otherwise; no, absolutely not. He really is painfully overpriced. A loan till the summer with the potential to buy if he recovers his form , then yes- at the right terms.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Told to find another club.......would you ??? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?41185-The-January-2013-HCDAJFU-thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Do you not rate Martin O'Neill as a manager? What does that have to do with this thread because O'neill signed him? Doesn't make him a bad or good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 What has he ever done? Always been rubbish whenever I've seen him play. Can't beat players on the outside or the inside - so not much cop for a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 What does that have to do with this thread because O'neill signed him? Doesn't make him a bad or good manager. O'Neill signed him for £10m, got him playing well in a team that finished 6th 3 years in a row form which persuaded Liverpool to pay £20m. Suggest to me O'Neill knows what he's talking about and he certainly isn't 'Was sh*te, is sh*te, always will be sh*te' I expect Martin O'Neill isn't on drugs either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 O'Neill signed him for £10m, got him playing well in a team that finished 6th 3 years in a row form which persuaded Liverpool to pay £20m. Suggest to me O'Neill knows what he's talking about and he certainly isn't 'Was sh*te, is sh*te, always will be sh*te' I expect Martin O'Neill isn't on drugs either. As the thread is about Downing and IMO he is ****e which is as I have stated. Trying to turn it into because O'neil payed 10 mil for him he must be good is a reflection of O'neil's opinion and not mine, yours or anybody else's on this forum, as I am pretty confident O'neil is not here in any shape or form I think this can be safely round up as a non starter. With the way Sunderland are performing at the moment he may very soon be taking the tablets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 As the thread is about Downing and IMO he is ****e which is as I have stated. Trying to turn it into because O'neil payed 10 mil for him he must be good is a reflection of O'neil's opinion and not mine, yours or anybody else's on this forum, as I am pretty confident O'neil is not here in any shape or form I think this can be safely round up as a non starter. With the way Sunderland are performing at the moment he may very soon be taking the tablets Point being your comment that he's ****e and always has been is wrong. Yo obviously never saw him play for Middlesborough and Villa and you clearly cant rate Martin O'Neill as he obviously doesnt know what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 You calling me clueless? You want to say that to my face? Meet me in the pub for a chat and we'll see who's clueless. Clueless hardman on the loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Would definitely take him, bit wages and fee would be an issue. It wasn't that long ago (at Villa) that he completed more crosses to a man than any other Premiership player, and had more assists than any other player. Couple that with how Lambert is in the air = money in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Would definitely take him, bit wages and fee would be an issue. It wasn't that long ago (at Villa) that he completed more crosses to a man than any other Premiership player, and had more assists than any other player. Couple that with how Lambert is in the air = money in the bank. Shhh DPS you can't say things like that. He's sh*te and alway has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Point being your comment that he's ****e and always has been is wrong. Yo obviously never saw him play for Middlesborough and Villa and you clearly cant rate Martin O'Neill as he obviously doesnt know what he's doing. I did see him play for Middlesbrough, Villa, England and Liverpool IMO he is Sh1te as confirmed by more than a few people on here and some Boro supporting colleagues. Why should I rate O'Neil it has nothing to do with this apart from he bought him once. if O'Neill rated him that highly why haven't Sunderland bought him then? but that is by the by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 I did see him play for Middlesbrough, Villa, England and Liverpool IMO he is Sh1te as confirmed by more than a few people on here and some Boro supporting colleagues. Why should I rate O'Neil it has nothing to do with this apart from he bought him once. if O'Neill rated him that highly why haven't Sunderland bought him then? but that is by the by. Here are a few little FACTs for you, you won't like them but they are true. Every England manager since And including Erkison has picked him at some point Lasr season Downing created 55 chances, more than any player in the Premier league, NONE of them were taken. Asssits are a two way thing, no? You need a striker to stick it in the onion bag yes? He had the best assist ratio to minutes played of the England Euro 2012 squad at international level. As player he is a 'proper' wide man, he'll stick to the touchline and not cut in like Lallana and Puncheon do, which will give us an extra dimension when attacking. Can we afford him? Would he come here? Who knows? Still what would we want with and England international who has created more chances for England and in the Premeir league than any other player? The mongboard has spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Here are a few little FACTs for you, you won't like them but they are true. Every England manager since And including Erkison has picked him at some point Lasr season Downing created 55 chances, more than any player in the Premier league, NONE of them were taken. Asssits are a two way thing, no? You need a striker to stick it in the onion bag yes? He had the best assist ratio to minutes played of the England Euro 2012 squad at international level. As player he is a 'proper' wide man, he'll stick to the touchline and not cut in like Lallana and Puncheon do, which will give us an extra dimension when attacking. Can we afford him? Would he come here? Who knows? Still what would we want with and England international who has created more chances for England and in the Premeir league than any other player? The mongboard has spoken. No he is sh*te, a load of other people think so, I dont understand why your trying to defend him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 No he is sh*te, a load of other people think so, I dont understand why your trying to defend him ? And I agree with Smirking_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Here are a few little FACTs for you, you won't like them but they are true. Every England manager since And including Erkison has picked him at some point Lasr season Downing created 55 chances, more than any player in the Premier league, NONE of them were taken. Asssits are a two way thing, no? You need a striker to stick it in the onion bag yes? He had the best assist ratio to minutes played of the England Euro 2012 squad at international level. As player he is a 'proper' wide man, he'll stick to the touchline and not cut in like Lallana and Puncheon do, which will give us an extra dimension when attacking. Can we afford him? Would he come here? Who knows? Still what would we want with and England international who has created more chances for England and in the Premeir league than any other player? The mongboard has spoken. Ah yes, I forgot about that, conversation over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 I personally think he's already peaked. Been told he can leave a club that got spanked at home by Villa yesterday. If we were top half of the Champ then yeah, but that's not where we want to be. I'd agree with that. As for the posters saying he's always been shlte, well thats really not true imho. There were a few England games when he was far and away the best player in a white shirt, not that thats saying much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 Here are a few little FACTs for you, you won't like them but they are true. Every England manager since And including Erkison has picked him at some point. So we have to have him because every England Manager (who apart from Ramsey who never had the chance to pick him) have failed in the Job, that have picked him have done so. If I still give Houghton the benefit of the doubt in the failure bit (I still think he will fail) Does that tell you that the England managers should not pick him as he has not helped there cause one iota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2012 Share Posted 17 December, 2012 So we have to have him because every England Manager (who apart from Ramsey who never had the chance to pick him) have failed in the Job, that have picked him have done so. If I still give Houghton the benefit of the doubt in the failure bit (I still think he will fail) Does that tell you that the England managers should not pick him as he has not helped there cause one iota. Well done for ignoring all the ther points which p*ss on your 'he's sh*t and always has been' argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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