hypochondriac Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Wasn't going to bother responding but will do anyway. I have very similar personal circumstances as the op described, I find it extremely odd that someone would divulge something so deeply personal in such an off the cuff manner. I've raised money for the exact same type of this and I have personal experience of that type of thing. IMO there is a marked difference between someone experiencing something like death of a child or cancer in real life and some faceless poster called avenue Saint bringing it up on a message board. I think you would find that my reaction would be wholly different as well. Ho hum ill most likely get banned for in hindsight was a post that did not come across as intended. Anyway as you said uts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 And additionally I'm going to take a break for a while regardless of any ban. Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 16 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 And additionally I'm going to take a break for a while regardless of any ban. Apologies. Post of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 IMO there is a marked difference between someone experiencing something like death of a child or cancer in real life and some faceless poster called avenue Saint bringing it up on a message board. And that is why you will not be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Devils advocate here but why bring up personal problems on a (Bit of a stupid) thread about a hypothetical football situation? If you want to discuss something speak with your friends or family or put it in the lounge. This is a bit of a dumb thread, along the lines of " if you won £50k on the lottery how would you feel? Would you be disappointed it wasn't the full million?", followed by some jokey comments - fair enough IMO. Then sad personal problems - why muddy the waters? I know this won't be a popular comment but I didnt see the need to bring it into this thread which was moving in the direction of being a conflict. What was the motivation? Hypo - you should also have seen the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Devils advocate here but why bring up personal problems on a (Bit of a stupid) thread about a hypothetical football situation? If you want to discuss something speak with your friends or family or put it in the lounge. This is a bit of a dumb thread, along the lines of " if you won £50k on the lottery how would you feel? Would you be disappointed it wasn't the full million?", followed by some jokey comments - fair enough IMO. Then sad personal problems - why muddy the waters? I know this won't be a popular comment but I didnt see the need to bring it into this thread which was moving in the direction of being a conflict. What was the motivation? Hypo - you should also have seen the line. Regardless of why that information entered the thread, it did (Although the sarcastic initial replies to the thread show no credit to those who posted them and would obviously have baited the OP). The reaction to it was the most important aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Tokyo, not sure if he OP would want to discuss that, please stick to the original topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Fair enough, if you could just humour me a final word in explanation. If you argue about subject A, you should stick with subject A. Hypo was out of order, however it irks me if someone brings in an irrelevant subject not linked with subject A. If I were arguing about whatever, I would never bring up my wife's family that killed in the tsunami, it would be out of place. Back in topic, I'd be happy if we finished mid table (of course). I already think NA is the best manager we have had since I have been going to saints games (late 80s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 I don't think there is much defending the bloke. He made stupid comments when it would have been easier to say nothing. And that is Hypochondriacs problem - he always feels that has to say something, hence his ridiculous post count. The problem with always saying something, even when there is nothing to say, is that you run the risk of saying stupid things that offend people. So, he, once again, has said something stupid and thoughtless and it's good that he has some time away to reflect on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 (edited) Hypo banned but not gone - keep an eye on the little green on-sign. -There is a light that never goes out. Edited 16 December, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Remember when Hypo was banned last time around and he logged on via an "ex-girfriends" account prentending to be "her" and then ended banned for longer? Big LOL's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Remember when Hypo was banned last time around and he logged on via an "ex-girfriends" account prentending to be "her" and then ended banned for longer? Big LOL's. he was supposed to sod off to Oz anyway but kinda didn't or not for as long as expected. Don't know if there's much factual base to a lot of the stuff he posts anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 I would say he is a terrible manager because he only got us to and promotion by spending money, he clearly needs money to succeed. £3m net spend from foot of league 1 to premier league.... ****ing terrible record that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 £3m net spend from foot of league 1 to premier league.... ****ing terrible record that!!! 3m !? You sure about that or are you not including what we have spent this year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 (edited) £3m net spend from foot of league 1 to premier league.... ****ing terrible record that!!! 6 of the players that started last Saturday were with us in L1, with Shaw as a youth product 7 of our starting 11 were here before Adkins was and 4 were signed by Adkins/Cortese/Reed. So Let's look at his/their transfer record. Boruc Hooliveld Fox Davis De Ridder Lee Sharp Gazzaniga Mayuka Rodriguez I make that a combined fee of about £20m in the last 3 windows and not one of the outfield players would make our first team if everyone was fit. The two goal keepers are no real improvment on Davis.Says a lot about our transfer policy. Edited 16 December, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Plus the 12m Ramirez on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 £3m net spend from foot of league 1 to premier league.... ****ing terrible record that!!! Supplemented by a sale of a youth product for £15M that he had very little to do with developing, to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Erm, Jack Cork was good signing no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Erm, Clyne was good signing no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Supplemented by a sale of a youth product for £15M that he had very little to do with developing, to be fair. It was still £15m of quality out of the team though. Adkins hasnt spent that much nett (though Im pretty sure its more than £3m) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 6 of the players that started last Saturday were with us in L1, with Shaw as a youth product 7 of our starting 11 were here before Adkins was and 4 were signed by Adkins/Cortese/Reed. So Let's look at his/their transfer record. Boruc Hooliveld Fox Davis De Ridder Lee Sharp Gazzaniga Mayuka Rodriguez I make that a combined fee of about £20m in the last 3 windows and not one of the outfield players would make our first team if everyone was fit. The two goal keepers are no real improvment on Davis.Says a lot about our transfer policy. It says of those 10:- three were instrumental in getting us promoted; three have needed to play in the PL and done okay; three need to prove themselves but still might and only one was a bad signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 It was still £15m of quality out of the team though. Adkins hasnt spent that much nett (though Im pretty sure its more than £3m) Technically yes; but it also massively skews the whole "£3M" net figure. Chamberlain's figure was so high for as much as the potential for him to improve as it was for the level of player he was at the time. In any case, I think the signings to get us to the Premier League were generally very good (both under Pardew and with Adkins). This summer; well the jury is still out in certain areas but I'm not sure if the transfers this summer have had / will have the same impact. So far I deem it as a halfway house transfer summer; some sucesses, some failures in terms who we did and didn't bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 I think the signings to get us to the Premier League were generally very good (both under Pardew and with Adkins). This summer; well the jury is still out in certain areas but I'm not sure if the transfers this summer have had / will have the same impact. So far I deem it as a halfway house transfer summer; some sucesses, some failures in terms who we did and didn't bring in. Id agree with that, although tbf it was always going to be easier to sign good players for the division when you are a championship club tipped to do well / get promoted than when you are a PL club tipped to go down again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 It says of those 10:- three were instrumental in getting us promoted; three have needed to play in the PL and done okay; three need to prove themselves but still might and only one was a bad signing. what it says is that of the near on £40m on 14 players that has been spent in the last 3 transfer windows we've only signed 4 players who were good enough to be first choice starters in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Id agree with that, although tbf it was always going to be easier to sign good players for the division when you are a championship club tipped to do well / get promoted than when you are a PL club tipped to go down again. Indeed true. Which of course makes it very important that the transfer committee get it absolutely right this January. I can see 'Arry being given bundles to spend so that they'll be a threat, and Villa seem to have kicked into some form of gear now too. Losing Lallana for such a time is a massive blow, and we're not exactly stocked with adequate replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 (edited) what it says is that of the near on £40m on 14 players that has been spent in the last 3 transfer windows we've only signed 4 players who were good enough to be first choice starters in the premier league. If we had spent the last three years in the same divsion that would be a strong indictment. However the fact that they have been bought and we've been promoted beyond the ability of some actually proves the opposite - they werre decent buys at the time, the club has moved forward and now needs to replace a lot of them with more quality. Of our 30 odd players i'd say only around 8 are definitely PL quality and a few more are marginal. At least 10 need to be moved on - but that is simply a result of getting up two divisions in two years. Edited 16 December, 2012 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 If we had spent the last three years in the same divsion that would be a strong indictment. However the fact that they have been bought and we've been promoted beyond the ability of some actually proves the opposite - they werre decent buys at the time, the club has moved forward and now needs to replace a lot of them with more quality. Of our 30 odd players i'd say only around 8 are solid mid table PL quality and a few more are marginal. At least 10 need to be moved on - but that is simply a sign of getting two divsions in two years. I do laugh at people claiming we've been promoted quicker than the ability of our squad can cope with. In the case of 7 of the first choice team from our league one days we haven't, they all started last saturday and it's arguable that they are some of our better players. The reality is that these players have been suplimeted in the main by ones who aren't up to it or ones for the future. Not ones who can establish us as a premier league club. Of our current signings Clyne has been a success, but he is the only one really. Yoshida is better than Hooliveld but the jury is still out on him as it is for many of the others and our marquee signing whilst looking quality and is certainly a class act still has a little bit of work to do, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 I do laugh at people claiming we've been promoted quicker than the ability of our squad can cope with. In the case of 7 of the first choice team from our league one days we haven't, they all started last saturday and it's arguable that they are some of our better players. The reality is that these players have been suplimeted in the main by ones who aren't up to it or ones for the future. Not ones who can establish us as a premier league club. Of our current signings Clyne has been a success, but he is the only one really. Yoshida is better than Hooliveld but the jury is still out on him as it is for many of the others and our marquee signing whilst looking quality and is certainly a class act still has a little bit of work to do, IMO. So because some players have been able to move up from lg1 to the PL the remainder - players that did well in Lg1 or in the championship but cant cut it in the PL - were poor signings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 So because some players have been able to move up from lg1 to the PL the remainder - players that did well in Lg1 or in the championship but cant cut it in the PL - were poor signings? Does £40m spend over 3 transfer windows on 14 players to end up 4 players good enough for the premier league sound like good business to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Does £40m spend over 3 transfer windows on 14 players to end up 4 players good enough for the premier league sound like good business to you? I'll tell you in a year or two. Depends on how much of the 'potential' turns into real PL quality and how much we get for the players who cant cut it and get sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Does £40m spend over 3 transfer windows on 14 players to end up 4 players good enough for the premier league sound like good business to you? Let´s see if I understand you correct.... So you think that when a team is playing in L1 or the Championship they should only buy players that can fit in a PL first XI ????????? That is.....well I actually dont have a word to describe that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 I would say that Hooiveld, Fox and Sharp were fantastic instrumental signings for promotion in the league that we were in at that time. De Ridder and Lee i think we all could see the potential, jury still out on Lee I would say. De Ridder a disappointment.. Davis, perfect squad player signing for a new team in PL. Mayuka and Rodriguez, the jury is still out on those two. Gazzaniga and Boruc....well should we have NOT signed another keeper or two and stuck by with Forecast or Bialkowski as our second choice....?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 what it says is that of the near on £40m on 14 players that has been spent in the last 3 transfer windows we've only signed 4 players who were good enough to be first choice starters in the premier league. Thats not actually true is it. The players on our bench are capable and are in our long term plans. I would find it stranger if we had signed players while in the NPC that could effortlessly make the step up to the PL, its pretty rare to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Does £40m spend over 3 transfer windows on 14 players to end up 4 players good enough for the premier league sound like good business to you? Have we only got 4 players good enough for the PL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Thats not actually true is it. The players on our bench are capable and are in our long term plans. I would find it stranger if we had signed players while in the NPC that could effortlessly make the step up to the PL, its pretty rare to do so. You mean players like Rickie Lambert? Like Jack Cork? Like Morgan Schneiderlin? All signed while we were in the lower leagues. And we've added to that with Jason Puncheon, Nathaniel Clyne and Jose Fonte. That's more than half our first team made up from players from the NPC or below. Hardly strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Have we only got 4 players good enough for the PL? Read the whole thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Thats not actually true is it. The players on our bench are capable and are in our long term plans. I would find it stranger if we had signed players while in the NPC that could effortlessly make the step up to the PL, its pretty rare to do so. 5 players from our league one team have effortless made the step up. As have Clyne, Cork and Shaw has effortlessly made the step up from youth team. Yes, it would be very strange to sign players that would effortlessly make the step up as no one ever does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 You mean players like Rickie Lambert? Like Jack Cork? Like Morgan Schneiderlin? All signed while we were in the lower leagues. And we've added to that with Jason Puncheon, Nathaniel Clyne and Jose Fonte. That's more than half our first team made up from players from the NPC or below. Hardly strange. Exactly right, big hats off to Cortese and the transfer committee for steering us to the premier league with quality signings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 I can't be arsed, it will only be something about you thinking that Cortese or Adkins is ****, someone proving you wrong and then you hiding behind some generalisation that you make about the forum. You are so ****ing boring, you really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 I can't be arsed, it will only be something about you thinking that Cortese or Adkins is ****, someone proving you wrong and then you hiding behind some generalisation that you make about the forum. You are so ****ing boring, you really are. Well you obviously don't have a clue what I think and clearly don't read my posts properly as I don't think either of them are. In fact I've praised Cortese on another thread only today, still stick to hiding behind generalisations sunshine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Well, by using Turkish´s logic, Rickie Lambert must be a ****e signing since he wasn´t good enough to take place in the starting XI in our first game back in the PL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Exactly right, big hats off to Cortese and the transfer committee for steering us to the premier league with quality signings! 3 of them were Pardews and one of them was Lowes. Let's hear it for the manager of Newcastle and chairman or Garforth town!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Well, by using Turkish´s logic, Rickie Lambert must be a ****e signing since he wasn´t good enough to take place in the starting XI in our first game back in the PL.... Utterly mental and innacurate post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Lack of a Saints match on a weekend makes everyone go a bit funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 3 of them were Pardews and one of them was Lowes. Let's hear it for the manager of Newcastle and chairman or Garforth town!! Pardew was just one cog in the committee as Adkins is now. As I said, big congrats to the committee!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Utterly mental and innacurate post. True but using your logic and why is the XI from our last game the "fact" for deciding if a signing is a good one or a bad one?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Pardew was just one cog in the committee as Adkins is now. As I said, big congrats to the committee!!! Reed wasn't here when Pardew signed Fonte, Lambert and Puncehon. Round of applause for Pardew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 By your own admission, you are only here to **** stir. I have no idea what you think, most of the time it's not what you post about, you're just on a wind up - usually to the detriment of the forum. For a long time now I have stopped reading your posts properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 True but using your logic and why is the XI from our last game the "fact" for deciding if a signing is a good one or a bad one?? Okay let's try this another way. We have been our best and most consistent performers this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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