HornseySaintsFan Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 The communication of the club is so contrived. Our captain is out apparently for months, but actually we don't know because of the club has not made one single comment. It's insulting frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 The communication of the club is so contrived. Our captain is out apparently for months, but actually we don't know because of the club has not made one single comment. It's insulting frankly. Why? It's what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 The communication of the club is so contrived. Our captain is out apparently for months, but actually we don't know because of the club has not made one single comment. It's insulting frankly. I suspect that they are out of the country just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 The communication of the club is so contrived. Our captain is out apparently for months, but actually we don't know because of the club has not made one single comment. It's insulting frankly. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintchris23 Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 Why would we want to give any boost to the opposition? He could be completely fine, he could be out for months, either way, there's NOTHING we as fans can do anything about, so why broadcast it? Unless you think by being a fan you have a right to know about everything that happens of course. In which case I want to know what brand of tea bags they use in the corporate suites, if it's not endorsed by the queen then I'm furious and why haven't they had a press conference about it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 They're probably waiting so they can announce the Lampard signing on the same day, soften the blow and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 The communication of the club is so contrived. Our captain is out apparently for months, but actually we don't know because of the club has not made one single comment. It's insulting frankly. Its difficult for them.... weighing up; informing upcoming opposition of which players likely to be available informing teams who we approach with an offer for a player how desperate we are giving information that can often change very quickly with these types of injury v keeping HornseySaintsFan happy. like you, I am astonished which they have opted for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 It's the standard policy. The silly thing is that next Thursday in NAs press conference he will be asked about it and it will come out that he will be out for a while. Then it will be in the media that its a blow etc, and will put everyone on a downer before the crucial Sunderland game. If they just came out and said something this last week it would all be settled by the time the Sunderland game comes around. It's almost like the club are ashamed he is injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 How long have you been supporting Saints? We don't normally speak publicly on injuries, especially not in any detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 I have a vision of someone stamping their feet and going red in the face almost to the point they can hardly get enough breath to ball their eyes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornseySaintsFan Posted 15 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 December, 2012 I'm not the sort of fan that wants the club to issue news on everything, and I recall the propaganda of the last days of Lowe. However the captain being out for potentially months is something that the faithful deserve to be told about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornseySaintsFan Posted 15 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 December, 2012 How long have you been supporting Saints? We don't normally speak publicly on injuries, especially not in any detail. All my life and I'm nearly an old man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 The communication of the club is so contrived. Our captain is out apparently for months, but actually we don't know because of the club has not made one single comment. It's insulting frankly. So you think it is a good idea to tell Sunderland, Fulham, Stoke, Arsenal, Chelsea etc who to prepare for when we play them in upcoming games? Saints fans don't need to know, it isn't "insulting", it makes perfect sense to keep the opposition guessing who will line up against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 They probably dont have Adams permission to release his medical condition to the baying of some sad fans on this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 Frankly would be astonished if club say anything before next Thursday. The club don't do announcements about injuries, frustrating but in general a good thing. That said there is a short piece on Sky that implies with the week off AL may actually not miss a game at all. Probably ****** though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 Here's a thought - maybe he isn't is injured as people are making out. Maybe he is actually fine! What is the point of coming out with a statement about a player who is not injured saying they will be out for up to x months, when infact he will be fit for the next game. Keep calm everyone! Even if heis injured I'm very sure that Nigel will have a backup plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 I'm not the sort of fan that wants the club to issue news on everything, and I recall the propaganda of the last days of Lowe. However the captain being out for potentially months is something that the faithful deserve to be told about. Deserve to be told about?? Just lol!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 The communication of the club is so contrived. Our captain is out apparently for months, but actually we don't know because of the club has not made one single comment. It's insulting frankly. Since when has it been the mongs on this forum divine right to know every little detail going on at the club? Sometimes I wonder how many here actually have a life away from this forum/saints. Have you not got anything else going on, on a saturday when we are not playing? Rather than be "insulted" that the club hasn't personally given you an injury update to one of our players - why not concern yourself with something a little less ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 When a crucial player like lallana is injured for a long period of time, it's stupid to think it's clever to keep it in the dark on he pretence that the club is hiding it from the opposition. It's not as if it's a knock and he's touch and for a game or two. It's obvious that he's out for a period of time, talk of him being secretly fine is nonsense. The club gain nothing by keeping the fans in the dark on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 I doubt AL knows, I doubt the manager knows, I doubt the medical team know, these things vary; a guess is as near as they'll get and its not a good idea to feed guesses to the public IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 I hardly dare say this but I agree with Dig Dig. I don't think the OP was demanding anything - merely expressing a view that secretly lots of others probably share. I should'nt wonder Martin O'Neil is logging onto Saints twitter every 5 mins so desperate he must be to find out. Yes of course everyone understands the importance of keeping certain things under wraps but that should also be weighed up against keeping your customers at least vaguely informed. NA is always warbling on about our great medical team but what how can we judge? People forget sometimes that this is still effectively a spectator sport - some one might like to buy a ticket to specifically Lallana play. My son has asked me every day what is the news on Lallana - sometimes the club takes the fans for granted in the way it behaves but there again I guess we lost those sort of rights the day Marcus reached for his wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 It's hardly likely Sunderland will think Lallana is playing just because we haven't announced he's injuried, how hard is it to say ' he's out for 2 months'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 I hardly dare say this but I agree with Dig Dig. I don't think the OP was demanding anything - merely expressing a view that secretly lots of others probably share. I should'nt wonder Martin O'Neil is logging onto Saints twitter every 5 mins so desperate he must be to find out. Yes of course everyone understands the importance of keeping certain things under wraps but that should also be weighed up against keeping your customers at least vaguely informed. NA is always warbling on about our great medical team but what how can we judge? People forget sometimes that this is still effectively a spectator sport - some one might like to buy a ticket to specifically Lallana play. My son has asked me every day what is the news on Lallana - sometimes the club takes the fans for granted in the way it behaves but there again I guess we lost those sort of rights the day Marcus reached for his wallet. yep all down hill since Markus arrived I'm always impressed by creativity on here at finding a way to ciritcise. No games yet, Adkins has given an update...it is being assessed. It not a broken bone, knee/joint / soft tissue injuries etc can suddenly clear up, or take longer to heal. Most likely is that no-one is that sure how long he will be out, so why give opposition - or probably more relevant another club who we are contacting about player valuation know how soon we will have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 These days, every club knows about players in the other teams squad, and to continually comment on form, injuries, recovery times etc ...only goes to help the planning to counteract our tactics. AL is injured. We all saw him go off, NA said he was on crutches as a precaution......suddenly everyone expects him to be out for 1-2 months ..or more..or will it be less ? What a turn-up for the opposition if he suddenly takes the field and is in the start eleven.....in the next game...or the one after that .....or the one after that ... Personally, I hope he recovers properly AND soon, but I don't expect NA to blow his cover by announcing his return... a week before the next game, and give the opposition a head start in their planning....do you ? WHEN he's fit enough he will return. FULL STOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 When a crucial player like lallana is injured for a long period of time, it's stupid to think it's clever to keep it in the dark on he pretence that the club is hiding it from the opposition. It's not as if it's a knock and he's touch and for a game or two. It's obvious that he's out for a period of time, talk of him being secretly fine is nonsense. The club gain nothing by keeping the fans in the dark on this one. I totally agree. As was stated earlier NA will say he is out on Thursday in his weekly press conference, so why not say in the past week ? If people think keeping it quiet means Sunderland wont know they are seriously deluded. A knock or small injury then fair enough, play the guessing game, but with this, nothing to gain from it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 sometimes the club takes the fans for granted in the way it behaves but there again I guess we lost those sort of rights the day Marcus reached for his wallet. Agreed with everything you said up until the last 15 words or so of your post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 I totally agree. As was stated earlier NA will say he is out on Thursday in his weekly press conference, so why not say in the past week ? If people think keeping it quiet means Sunderland wont know they are seriously deluded. A knock or small injury then fair enough, play the guessing game, but with this, nothing to gain from it at all.[/QUOTE] .....maybe it's not totally clear yet .....just how long he will be out.! If SFC announce he will be out for 2-3 weeks / months? ....it's likely to be a medical decísion not a tactical one and will give all our opponents from now till Man. City the heads up that he won't be available. Sound like a good idea to you .....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 yep all down hill since Markus arrived I'm always impressed by creativity on here at finding a way to ciritcise. No games yet, Adkins has given an update...it is being assessed. It not a broken bone, knee/joint / soft tissue injuries etc can suddenly clear up, or take longer to heal. Most likely is that no-one is that sure how long he will be out, so why give opposition - or probably more relevant another club who we are contacting about player valuation know how soon we will have him. I am always impressed by your blind unquestioning devotion. You would have been a big hit in the trenches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 Agreed with everything you said up until the last 15 words or so of your post... Don't know why - I am not moaning but it is a fact that as we are no longer a PLC the owners can do what they like regardless of the fans' opinion. That's life now. At least Rupert was accountable. Obviously prefer current regime to previous but very aware it could all end in tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 Don't know why - I am not moaning but it is a fact that as we are no longer a PLC the owners can do what they like regardless of the fans' opinion. That's life now. At least Rupert was accountable. Obviously prefer current regime to previous but very aware it could all end in tears. anything and everything ends in tears in modern football.....just have to hope the bit in the middle is good...and so far, it has been pretty awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 I totally agree. As was stated earlier NA will say he is out on Thursday in his weekly press conference, so why not say in the past week ? If people think keeping it quiet means Sunderland wont know they are seriously deluded. A knock or small injury then fair enough, play the guessing game, but with this, nothing to gain from it at all.[/QUOTE] .....maybe it's not totally clear yet .....just how long he will be out.! If SFC announce he will be out for 2-3 weeks / months? ....it's likely to be a medical decísion not a tactical one and will give all our opponents from now till Man. City the heads up that he won't be available. Sound like a good idea to you .....? The VMAN has already told us the injury is not season ending but is a bad one. The club know the extent of the injury but have gone into their usual silence mode. As said I can understand the club keeping it under wraps for a knock but Sunderland will know he's not playing, as will most teams will play over the xmas/new year period. The club achieve nothing but pointless speculation and rumour through lack of facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 Don't know why - I am not moaning but it is a fact that as we are no longer a PLC the owners can do what they like regardless of the fans' opinion. That's life now. At least Rupert was accountable. Obviously prefer current regime to previous but very aware it could all end in tears. I don't think this is a discussion about the merits of private or PLC ownership. This could be a decision by the team management and nothing to do with the boardroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 The club obviously have a policy of saying nothing to anyone, which in the case of injuries is probably the best policy. wether he's out for a month or 6 months, it can't do any harm to keep the opposition in the dark. But this is typical of the club's awful PR. We as fans do not have the right to know everything but we are supposedly part of the club and many do like to know stuff like this. I can see why Cortese works this way, coming from a banking background, but can't help thinking a change of attitude would benefit the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 Given we have a specific thread about the AL injury I will rename the title to reflect better the discussion here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 anything and everything ends in tears in modern football.....just have to hope the bit in the middle is good...and so far, it has been pretty awesome Fair point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 Loose lips ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 Ahh Cortese has been mentioned Bravo , as we know all's his fault ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 Personally, I'm not at all bothered about being fed information like this by the club. Aside from the obvious point of giving the opposition the heads-up, it makes no difference to me whether I know about the injury list or not. I can do nothing to influence the return of the players and it doesn't affect my day to day life if I know about Lallana's knee, Chapper's ankle or whether Boruc is suffering from a bout of flatulance or a dose of clap. We will find out either way on Saturday if our man is playing, if he isn't then so-be-it, if he is, then think of it as a christmas bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 It could be Adkins, it could be thr boardroom, neither of which seem to like letting any little snippets get into the press, Ui can see the merits to this. Never really understood why all of you precious flowers need to know every in and out going on at the club, what difference does it really make ? If we are told Laana is out for aweek or a year itll hardly change anything at all. But it could do to the opposition, of course they probably could guess already but they dont know for sure, so why leak it ? Get over it and concentrate on other trivial issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Montgomery never told Rommel of our tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 The communication of the club is so contrived. Our captain is out apparently for months, but actually we don't know because of the club has not made one single comment. It's insulting frankly. Seriously, do one. If you feel insulted by that, you really are a pathetic human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 So you think it is a good idea to tell Sunderland, Fulham, Stoke, Arsenal, Chelsea etc who to prepare for when we play them in upcoming games? Saints fans don't need to know, it isn't "insulting", it makes perfect sense to keep the opposition guessing who will line up against them. I'd imagine opposition teams already have a fairly good idea what's happening with Lallana. Why do you think most other clubs let their fans know what's going on with key players. The likes of Man Utd seem to manage it without too many problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 When a crucial player like lallana is injured for a long period of time, it's stupid to think it's clever to keep it in the dark on he pretence that the club is hiding it from the opposition. It's not as if it's a knock and he's touch and for a game or two. It's obvious that he's out for a period of time, talk of him being secretly fine is nonsense. The club gain nothing by keeping the fans in the dark on this one. Exactly this. Don't think it's too much just to show fans a bit of consideration and give us a quick update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 How interested you Premier League boys will be in a lower league viewpoint on the matter I'm not sure but here is a completely different stance on the subject: http://www.torquayunited.com/news/article/open-and-honest-530738.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Apologies if this has already been suggested, but I haven't read the whole thread. I have a good idea for the club. Every now and then the club should announce that a player is injured for a few weeks or a few months. Sometimes this can be genuine and sometimes it is made up. This means that the fans get to know about an injury and the opposition get fed misinformation. If the club came out and said Lallana is out for 2 months, the opposition would plan for this and our fans would be gutted, but then imagine the surprise we could spring on them if in the next game lallana is playing. We would have tricked the opposition and won the initial mind games, beaten them tactically and given the fans a right boost. The next time an injury is announced the opposition won't know whether this is a genuine injury or a hoax. If we mix it up then we can always keep the opposition confused and I think we could win more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 It's hardly likely Sunderland will think Lallana is playing just because we haven't announced he's injuried, how hard is it to say ' he's out for 2 months'. it isn't, of course ......but there's hardly anything fans can do about it - except worry about things that haven't happened yet . NA won't consult you ...or me ´....when he picks the team anyway. If we are told (the truth) then several people on this site will further aggrevate their ulcers, and begin to worry /criticise likely changes .....that process has already begun and there is even a small minority considering the selection of Jonno Quick Even when the side is performing a bit better, there is an element of enjoyment is seeing how fringe players perform when selected...or do you want the current team to continue for the rest of the season? Whilst I'm looking forward to Adam's return....(whenever that is ?)....I still think there's an element of suspense in NOT knowing the start eleven for the games v. Sunderland, Fulham, Stoke, Arsenal, FA CUP v. Chelsea.....and then Villa, Everton and ...Man Utd....(second time around)....and I'm pretty sure that it's going to generate some degree of uncertainty in their team selection ..for other reasons. Either they will know if he's going to play ...or NOT.....and how will his replacement perform? I hardly think that thousands of Saints fans will stay away because Adam ISN'T playing ......so what's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 Apologies if this has already been suggested, but I haven't read the whole thread. I have a good idea for the club. Every now and then the club should announce that a player is injured for a few weeks or a few months. Sometimes this can be genuine and sometimes it is made up. This means that the fans get to know about an injury and the opposition get fed misinformation. If the club came out and said Lallana is out for 2 months, the opposition would plan for this and our fans would be gutted, but then imagine the surprise we could spring on them if in the next game lallana is playing. We would have tricked the opposition and won the initial mind games, beaten them tactically and given the fans a right boost. The next time an injury is announced the opposition won't know whether this is a genuine injury or a hoax. If we mix it up then we can always keep the opposition confused and I think we could win more games. It has been suggested but no apology is necessary. Quite a few people have refuted that arguement already, whilst some of us have already made the same statement as you have above. Maybe it's just TOO logical for them to grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 (edited) How interested you Premier League boys will be in a lower league viewpoint on the matter I'm not sure but here is a completely different stance on the subject: http://www.torquayunited.com/news/article/open-and-honest-530738.aspx a refreshing taste of honesty ....from the manager of an L2 side (who probably struggle to find 5 other players to sit on the bench), but it's hardly appropriate when compared to Premier League sides who have a squad of 25 + U21 players ...(who don't even have to be included in those figures). I'm sure Martin Ling's side almost " picks itself " .. but it's not the same as life in the Prem. The element of " surprise " selection and the use of subs. during the game can clearly be seen as a key factor in winning matches / gaining points. NA often talks about changing formation during games, and last season ELEVEN goals were scored by oncoming Saints subs. Edited 16 December, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 In the club's defense, the usual time to announce these things is during Adkins pre-match press conference - and we haven't had one this week. Cork and Ramirez's injuries were disclosed in this way -and I'm sure there would have been news on AL had we played Sunderland. Whether the club should make a separate or special announcement on the OS is a different question; but IMO the pre-match press conference is a perfectly appropriate, if not the best place to communicate this kind of news. No doubt there'll be info next Thurs/Fri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 16 December, 2012 Share Posted 16 December, 2012 It has been suggested but no apology is necessary. Quite a few people have refuted that arguement already, whilst some of us have already made the same statement as you have above. Maybe it's just TOO logical for them to grasp. Sorry if people feel their time has been wasted by reading a repeat suggestion. I can't believe that people don't think that the misinformation plan is a good one. It'd be like having a twelf man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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