ozzmeister Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 So with the Adam injury theres been lots of discussion on who should deputise for him. I've seen no mention of Fox. From what Ive seen of him his main strengths are set pieces - crossing, free kicks etc - ideal attributes for a midfielder. He is also a defender so you would hope would track back/cover Shaw?
Window Cleaner Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 So with the Adam injury theres been lots of discussion on who should deputise for him. I've seen no mention of Fox. From what Ive seen of him his main strengths are set pieces - crossing, free kicks etc - ideal attributes for a midfielder. He is also a defender so you would hope would track back/cover Shaw? Fox, Dickson whatever, none of them are going to be playing at left mid for Saints at any time soon. We will merely shuffle the pack, 3 candidates for the job for me, Davis,Guly and JWP.
Restark19 Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 I think it could work, although I wouldn't start with him out there tbh
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 I don't think anyone can argue that Fox hasn't got a great left foot and is capable of putting in some terrific crosses, but he isn't the quickest and despite the fact he is a defender, he can't defend. Wouldn't be against the idea if it happens though. Still hoping that Lala is back sooner rather than later.
Dig Dig Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Awful idea. People will be calling for Chaplow to start next
Saint Charlie Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 (edited) It wouldn't work and IMO is a terrible idea. We probably have 7 or 8 players I would play there over Fox. Our wide midfielders interchange and come inside, link with Lambert and score goals. Fox is a left back who has been dropped. His only attribute is that he can put a ncie cross over. If he plays LM we are screwed. He is one of the slowest in the squad and is incapable of taking on a man - hardly what you need to unlock a prem defence. Edited 13 December, 2012 by Saint Charlie
itchen_dan Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 I would. Used him there as a sub when he first came here and didn't put a foot wrong for a couple of games. Looked a bit lost at first but linked up with Harding well. He was originally a left midfielder and his crossing ability could be a nice little asset to have on the left wing.
Draino76 Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Chaplow could start on the left I think. Every successful top flight Saints team in recent memory had a bald headed football genius in it. FACT.
Dig Dig Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 I would love to see some of the line up's we'd put out if it were up to some of you moong beans.
Saint Charlie Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 I would love to see some of the line up's we'd put out if it were up to some of you moong beans. From suggestions that (in seriousness) been put on here this season we could do this: -------------------------Cropper-------------------------- Clyne----------Cork----------------Fonte--------------Shaw -------------------------Yoshida---------------------------- Chaplow----------------------------------------------------Fox -------Mayuka---------Lambert------------Rodriguez-------------- (Yoshida as a defensive sweeper)
Saint Garrett Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 From suggestions that (in seriousness) been put on here this season we could do this: -------------------------Cropper-------------------------- Clyne----------Cork----------------Fonte--------------Shaw -------------------------Yoshida---------------------------- Chaplow----------------------------------------------------Fox -------Mayuka---------Lambert------------Rodriguez-------------- (Yoshida as a defensive sweeper) Don't forget Forte at CB with Seaborne holding in front of the defence man marking....
Saint Charlie Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Don't forget Forte at CB with Seaborne holding in front of the defence man marking.... If we had done that we would have beaten Man Utd according to some coaching experts on here
This Charming Man Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 It's a great idea. What with Fox's reputation for skinning players and getting to the by-line, it would be like Lallana has never left the side. After all attacking is his main strength...
captainchris Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Totally rediculous...........Fox cannot play above league one - a poor player who has been dropped for a very good reason.
Saint Garrett Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Totally rediculous...........Fox cannot play above league one - a poor player who has been dropped for a very good reason. Not sure if you're taking the **** or not, but he was a key player in a Championship promotion side last season...
Jones91 Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 It will be Ramirez or Rodriguez, with Guly coming off the bench on 78 mins
pangy Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Punch to be put left side with J-rod going RM,one thing for sure is you wont be seeing Mayuka starting!! (when does he go to ACON?)
Lazlo78 Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 To me, the answer to the OP's question is that it relies on the opponent: if we meet a team where we expect to be under a lot of pressure, then Fox may provide good cover for Shaw. It's been done before, e.g. when Valencia put on both Alba and Mathieu to deal with Barca's attacking options: http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/10/19/barcelona-2-1-valencia-tactics/ If we are at home to Reading, then you don't want Fox running (or ruining) the show as LW...
Wade Garrett Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Ramirez on the left with Ricky and Jay up front, or Puncheon on the left, Guly/Chaplow on the right with Ramirez and Lambert up front. Come Jan 1st, just a straight swap, Lallana for Phillips.
Huffton Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 So some people would we rather played a striker there than a naturally left footed player, who can deliver a killer cross. I love this forum:facepalm:
SaintSteve Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Not sure why this is being debated... we will play the 4-2-3-1 with Rodrigues interchanging with Lambert and Ramirez throughout; only Puncheon will play right as his natural ability to switch inside provides more shooting opportunities for him. Why bring anyone else int the equation when they are clearly not good enough.
Saint Charlie Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 So some people would we rather played a striker there than a naturally left footed player, who can deliver a killer cross. I love this forum:facepalm: Just to check, you would rather play Fox as a left winger moving inside and interchanging with Lambert, Ramirez and Puncheon than say Guly or Rodriguez?
pangy Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Its not what we would prefer it is what is more likely our manager will use,I doubt using Fox as a LW has even crossed Adkins mind
Saint Garrett Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Its not what we would prefer it is what is more likely our manager will use,I doubt using Fox as a LW has even crossed Adkins mind And rightly so!
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 it will more than likely be gaston left with lambert in the hole with j-rod up front..
Saint Garrett Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 it will more than likely be gaston left with lambert in the hole with j-rod up front.. Yep I agree. Although the front four are so fluid that they all drift in different directions anyway. As long as every position is covered then it doesn't really matter...in fact the fluidity will hurt teams as it's harder to mark.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Thought we looked a bit toothless with that against Reading. Until we scored, I though it would be 'one of those games'. I think Gaston creates a lot more in the middle and Ricky is far better getting on the end of moves than being in the build up (not that his build up play is bad).
SNSUN Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Jos is left footed. He gets my vote. I'd also play Nigel in goal as he has bags of experience. Chaplow is bald. He should have no place in our starting line up. Only hairy people should play, look at Marouane Fellaini. The hairier you are, the better. Fox has hair, but is still not very good. Must be a wig.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 David Louis looked good today and he has lots of hair... there might be something in this.
SNSUN Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 David Armstrong was a good bald player, but I can only assume he had big bushy pubes.
saint_bert Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 I suggested it the other day. However after some time discussing it on the Lallana injured thread, I don't really think it would be a good idea. What with the way we play. If it was a straight up 4-4-2 then yes, maybe. However withe interchanging front 4 it just wouldn't work.
eurosaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Danny Fox is a good footballer with a nice touch, good control and excellent delivery ! What he lacks is pace and defensive positioning ! To be played in front of a more traditional left back makes a lot of sense to me and I have discussed it many times with fellow Saints supporters ! I really don't understand those who write him off as useless, sure he has limitations but he still has a role to play and you never know it could turn out to be a masterstroke !!
IN MY DAY Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Punch to be put left side with J-rod going RM,one thing for sure is you wont be seeing Mayuka starting!! (when does he go to ACON? ----------------------- Sounds like a great idea ( not) it all went tits up with punch when he was moved to left to accommodate oxslade, he became the whipping boy week in week out and the rest is history. Leave Ramirez there for now.
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Itll be one of Mayuka, J Rod, Guly or Chambers who deputises for an injured Lallana. Fox is a terribke idea IMO, why do we get so many threads on playing players out of positions because they have a FEW attributes that could benefit that area ? This isnt sunday league, at the top level you generally play the position you have been coached in for X amount of years. It doesnt work
sammysaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Gaston is wasted out there, for me drop jay rod again play 4231 Have Mayuka Puncheon Gaston Lambo as our attack. Would love to see fox there and i personally think were see him come on for the last 10-15s there next sat, but i also think Guly will start LM, which is a shame as he is really not good enough to play more then 15-20 mins, yes he came on and done well but we need hard working players vs Sunderland and he wont work all game, and also pace, we need to stop danny rose going forward hes similar to fox great attacking poor defensive positioning.
This Charming Man Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Mayuka hasn't even featured for us off the bench recently. I can't see him starting any time soon.
The Cat Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Tadanari Lee could do a job there. But probabaly not a very good one.
captainchris Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Danny Fox is a good footballer with a nice touch, good control and excellent delivery ! What he lacks is pace and defensive positioning ! To be played in front of a more traditional left back makes a lot of sense to me and I have discussed it many times with fellow Saints supporters ! I really don't understand those who write him off as useless, sure he has limitations but he still has a role to play and you never know it could turn out to be a masterstroke !! 'You don't understand' Well have a chat with Nigel next time you see him and perhaps he can put you straight on why Fox is nowhere near the team any more. He is nearly blind for a start. He has no all round vision so he just doesn't mark players. He NEVER closes players down to prevent crosses - just stands five yards away and watches the opponents cross it in. He cannot anticipate where the ball might go or where team mates might be...... He cannot stay in position or anywhere near it. He CAN cross a ball - that's it ! In summary, he is Carp and a liability.........Nothing more to add...
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 2 of the last 4 posts made me realise why I just dont bother very much any more
This Charming Man Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Tadanari Lee could do a job there. But probabaly not a very good one. Are you mental? He runs around a lot, played well in the NPC for about 10mins coming off the bench and is an international for a powerhouse of world football. What more could you possibly want? The enlightened few on here have said he is going to light up the Premier League this year and that's that.
The Cat Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 With his non stop running I'd play him alongside Yoshida at CB. He could defend and play LM at the same time. Ok he's a bit small but he does jump quite high and the communication at the back would improve. Fonte could then be freed up to play in front of the back 4.
toe_punt Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 2 of the last 4 posts made me realise why I just dont bother very much any more After 10,258 posts I would think that your typing fingers are worn out anyway.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 You Americans need better keyboards or stronger typing fingers.
Chez Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 I'd play Guly there. He had a good game playing there against West Ham. Ramirez leaves us too open defensively. Having said that Rodriguez hasn't let us down when forced to play on the left. Chaplow is not the worst shout in the world. He gets up and down the line and will keep things tight. Shaw can quite clearly do a lot more offensively if given licence so Chaplow's lack of quality on the ball might be overcome by Shaw stepping up. Interesting choice for Adkins. IMO he'll play Ramirez and we'll concede goals because of it.
Turkish Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 2 of the last 4 posts made me realise why I just dont bother very much any more Are you one of the fabled good posters that don't bother anymore and I can see why?
Turkish Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 I'd play Guly there. He had a good game playing there against West Ham. Ramirez leaves us too open defensively. Having said that Rodriguez hasn't let us down when forced to play on the left. Chaplow is not the worst shout in the world. He gets up and down the line and will keep things tight. Shaw can quite clearly do a lot more offensively if given licence so Chaplow's lack of quality on the ball might be overcome by Shaw stepping up. Interesting choice for Adkins. IMO he'll play Ramirez and we'll concede goals because of it. Are they the new Marsden and Bridge? They have so much in common.
Saint Garrett Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 Gaston is wasted out there, for me drop jay rod again play 4231 Have Mayuka Puncheon Gaston Lambo as our attack. Would love to see fox there and i personally think were see him come on for the last 10-15s there next sat, but i also think Guly will start LM, which is a shame as he is really not good enough to play more then 15-20 mins, yes he came on and done well but we need hard working players vs Sunderland and he wont work all game, and also pace, we need to stop danny rose going forward hes similar to fox great attacking poor defensive positioning. Rose plays on the left, therefore will be playing against Clyne and Punch probably. I'd play Guly LM personally.
saint-crinny Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 Stick with the 4-3-3 approach - Ramirez into the Lallana role and JWP into the central attacking mid role left by Ramirez switch would be my preferred choice.
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