Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Ok going down would be a dissapointment BUT perspective. Lambert would stay, his value to us combined with his age he would ikely be overpriced for over clubs. Lallana is likely to stay. He's stuck with us through worse! You really can't say this. I would say he's unlikely to stay in my opinion as he has to have ambitions better than Saints now he is in the Premiership and other teams will come calling. Ok we might lose a couple but we'd reinforce, it's normal and natural. Financially we'd be ok and could hold onto plenty within reason. Worse case we see more playing time for the young players on the fringe maybe. But we'd come back up sharp. Again, you really can't say this. Wolves, Blackburn etc have struggled this season. Financially, we have a £30m loan that is secured against future Season Ticket sales. There is no proof that we wouldn't have issues and I think we are more on the side of having issues IF we were to be relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Again, you really can't say this. Wolves, Blackburn etc have struggled this season. Financially, we have a £30m loan that is secured against future Season Ticket sales. There is no proof that we wouldn't have issues and I think we are more on the side of having issues IF we were to be relegated. since when did we know the amount ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Sadly there would be no chance of him staying if we were to go down, IMO. Being one of the biggest spenders in Europe and still getting relegated would leave NC with little choice than to sack him, unfortunately. Maybe, maybe not. But NC seems to have acquired a reputation as a man with a keen trigger finger for very little reason. He's been an astute, if perhaps a tad unsentimental, businessman and has run the club on such lines. All the "pressure" on NA was paper speculation. Yes results weren't going were, there was a meeting. Surely it'd have been absurd not to have a chat about things not going well? The meeting may have gone "Nigel I see the task, its difficult, you have my faith. Anything I can do to help?". We dont know NC has backed NA long term as our man and I hope, though football is football, he would see that through. Sorry for the rant but one final point on the spending. Yes in pure transfer fees we spent a good ammount, commentators and other managers LOVE to mention that, but lets be clear we kept wages reasonably low (so we're told) and didn't pay massive agent fees so the disparity between our outlay and other teams on players may, in real terms, not be that great. While we have to have the perspective that of course the team needs a lot of strenghtening. We achieved back to back promotions. A lot of the senior pros from league one wouldn't be good enough for the prem. Butterfield, Barnard, Dickson, Hammond, Jaidi ... I think, or hope, NC would recognise the spend was inevitable and would've happened even if we took another year to reach the prem (we'd have still been in the market for j rod, clyne, davis etc ...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Why was spending over £30m inevitable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Hold on I said likely. He may leave sure, of course its possible. But if he genuinely felt we would go back up and be better for itwith him central to this ...? Well no but my opinion is we are financially well managed, a few big player sales would see us over and we'd keep high attendances. Besides I have faith that long term our academy would see us right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Why was spending over £30m inevitable? Ok maybe not inevitable but how else do you establish a side in the premiership that has a core of players not good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayrivers Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 since when did we know the amount ? And also it's against future reneview isn't it? When was it every against specifically season tickets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Ok maybe not inevitable but how else do you establish a side in the premiership that has a core of players not good enough? How did hull, Wigan, Norwich, stoke, Swansea... Basically, all the other average teams that have come up do it by not spending anything like £30m None of them spent an entire season in the top 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 And also it's against future reneview isn't it? When was it every against specifically season tickets? seem to remember it was against all future revenues yes, don't know enough to be sure about that though. In fact I know nothing more than was exposed on the thread we had about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 since when did we know the amount ? Fair enough, it is an assumption. Could be more, could be less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 17th was my target on the day we got promoted and it still is now. Survive the first difficult year and then consolidate for next season would be fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayrivers Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 How did hull, Wigan, Norwich, stoke, Swansea... Basically, all the other average teams that have come up do it by not spending anything like £30m None of them spent an entire season in the top 2 Will be interesting to see how those teams fair after 5 years compared to ourselves. Personally i would expect us to be a much stronger team then? Maybe with the exception of Stoke. But then their fans hate how they play football. I woull ideally prefer our style of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Will be interesting to see how those teams fair after 5 years compared to ourselves. Personally i would expect us to be a much stronger team then? Maybe with the exception of Stoke. But then their fans hate how they play football. I woull ideally prefer our style of football. Swansea and both Norwich are doing well. Again, spending little... To be better you are talking cementing ourselves in the top 8..a massive ask for a club like saints With the top 4 plus Liverpool, Everton and spurs Massive ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Staying up is not success in my view, it is minimum return. Success would be somewhere between 11-15th place. Satisfaction personally if we are safe from relegation on final day of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I would of course be happy with survival, and for everyone who thinks the same, they need to remember that that means defeats, mistakes and poor performances along the way, amongst the good games and crucial points we do gain. We will drop in to the relegation zone a few times along the way, even if we do stay up at the end of it. It will be a battle. So next time we have a bad run of results, some fans need to take that into account before starting any knee jerk doubts about Adkins. Our recent form is no guarantee of survival. A poor run does not guarantee relegation. If you will be 'happy' with 17th, then you need to be comfortable with the fact we're like to be around that position the whole season, adjust your expectations along the way, and most importantly, support the team and manager throughout to achieve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Swansea and both Norwich are doing well. Again, spending little... To be better you are talking cementing ourselves in the top 8..a massive ask for a club like saints With the top 4 plus Liverpool, Everton and spurs Massive ask tsk. such a Dell sized mentality Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 (edited) In this average league with a squad that is man for man, better than our 2003 FA Cup final squad that also finished 8th, i would suggest that anything less than 8th would be failure. However those of us with Dell sized mentalties said that 17th would be success this season. Whose predictions are proving to be the most accurate? Edited 13 December, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 In this average league with a squad that is man for man, better than our 2003 FA Cup final squad that also finished 8th, i would suggest that anything less than 8th would be failure. However those of us with Dell sized mentalties said that 17th would be success this season. Who's predictions are proving to be the most accurate? We'd struggle to fill a 45,000 seater in the Championship, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 since when did we know the amount ? We don't know the amount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 We'd struggle to fill a 45,000 seater in the Championship, that's for sure. We're struggling to fill a 32k one in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 For me it's all about staying up this year and I'd be over the moon even if we finish seventeenth! Would some people be totally unhappy with that, given how much we've spent? I know Nigel will be aiming higher obviously but could we call seventeenth a success? Pretty sure that virutally 100 percent of people will be happy with staying up. But what? I haven't heard anyone be any less than satisfied with our recent form and pleased that we are currently out of the relegation zone. Nah that's pretty much a myth perpetuated by a few people on here. I haven't seen a single poster say they would be dissatisfied at purely survival. I think in this case everyone is realistic. All of these quotes are within the first 9 posts of this thread. Hypochondriac, why do you think you are able to dismiss the thread and speak for all fans. Why not just let people post what they would consider a successful season? As you can see from the responses, not everyone does go along with classing survival as success. Your initial responses don't even answer the question properly because mr x does not say "would staying up be a successful season", he asks "what would be a successful season to you". How about letting others have a say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 since when did we know the amount ? Fair enough, it is an assumption. Could be more, could be less. I think the phrase you're after is "I made it up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Staying up, keeping the first team together, bringing more academy players in to the first team, continue playing the way we do and improve are passing, and last but not least, keep Nigel. Up till now the season has been successful to me, after a tough start we seem to have get going and the defence has improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I think the phrase you're after is "I made it up". No, I thought it had been identified in the other thread that initially discussed it, but looking through it it's an assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Funny how assumptions start getting passed off as fact though isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Funny how assumptions start getting passed off as fact though isn't it? Example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 No, I thought it had been identified in the other thread that initially discussed it, but looking through it it's an assumption. You've been mis-understood again I see. Remember the emotiocon training which should help to counter this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 You've been mis-understood again I see. Remember the emotiocon training which should help to counter this. No, I couldn't remember what was said in another thread?! How do you do a confused emoticon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 You've been mis-understood again I see. Remember the emotiocon training which should help to counter this. Nice to see your following me around again though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 No, I misunderstood another thread?! How do you do a confused emoticon? I'd stick to these ones for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I'd stick to these ones for now By the way, our internet at work doesn't show emoticons, so all I see is blank space! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Example? Post #51 on this thread is a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Post #51 on this thread is a good example. I notice you're doing your usual, just trolling threads looking for someone to argue with. As per usual, you haven't put your opinion to the OP, just posted to try and create arguments...*sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Of course a successful season would be staying up... ...as indeed it was during those 27 seasons before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I notice you're doing your usual, just trolling threads looking for someone to argue with. As per usual, you haven't put your opinion to the OP, just posted to try and create arguments...*sigh* You asked for an example and I was replying to your post mate. ***confused smiley thing*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayrivers Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Swansea and both Norwich are doing well. Again, spending little... To be better you are talking cementing ourselves in the top 8..a massive ask for a club like saints With the top 4 plus Liverpool, Everton and spurs Massive ask I mean more how they will develop compared to use over a longer period. I hope in 5 years we are doing consistently better than those two. Maybe that's just me wishing though! I would hope we can consitently push top 10/12? Maybe with a few seasons we push a bit further? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 You asked for an example and I was replying to your post mate. ***confused smiley thing*** And I'm confused as to why you do this on every thread. What is it about your psyche that means you have to create arguments for the sake of it? I said that it was an assumption before you replied. Fair enough, if you had set out your opinion or was disagreeing with someones opinion offering your own, but you're not. I wonder why you do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Found it: 3. Stalker troll. It takes a fairly sick mentality to want to be a troll. If you were in any way healthy, you would prefer to hang out the blogs of people you agree with, rather than maliciously setting out to disrupt those of people you hate. Stalker troll is the sickest of the lot. He becomes obsessed with every last detail of life of the person whose blog he infests, in the hope of gleaning titbits which he can use against his nemesis. For example, one of the regular trolls on this blog makes frequent sneery references to the fact that I suffer from depression. This is bizarre. The reason he knows I suffer from depression is because I have written great big articles about it in the Daily Mail and The Spectator. Presumably this means, then, that my depression is not something I consider a weakness (Winston Churchill? Stephen Fry? etc) nor something I find embarrassing. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100099194/seven-types-of-troll-a-spotters-guide/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 And I'm confused as to why you do this on every thread. What is it about your psyche that means you have to create arguments for the sake of it? I said that it was an assumption before you replied. Fair enough, if you had set out your opinion or was disagreeing with someones opinion offering your own, but you're not. I wonder why you do this? Why try and divert attention away from the fact that you asked for an example as to how assumptions are presented as fact? I provided what I thought was a decent example as to how you used a figure against our loan which was an assumption presented as fact. Not sure why you're trying to turn this into some kind of psyche analysis session? Bizarre to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Why try and divert attention away from the fact that you asked for an example as to how assumptions are presented as fact? I provided what I thought was a decent example as to how you used a figure against our loan which was an assumption presented as fact. Not sure why you're trying to turn this into some kind of psyche analysis session? Bizarre to say the least. I believed it was true. I even think assumption is the incorrect word. I believed it was true, but it turned out to not exist. Is that an assumption? I'm not sure. Someone with a better vocabulary than me could contribute to this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I believed it was true. I even think assumption is the incorrect word. I believed it was true, but it turned out to not exist. Is that an assumption? I'm not sure. Someone with a better vocabulary than me could contribute to this one. It was basically saying something was the case when you had no proof it was at all...and then it turning out to be incorrect. Lots of people do it on these forums to back up their points, and to be honest you have to expect to be pulled up on it, especially when you have strong and well aired views such as yours DPS. It could be 30m, it could be 10m, it could be 50m - nobody knows so you shouldn't suggest you do - whether you intended to or not. But this is a mongboard, where mongs post about the club they love - and tensions tend to run high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 It was basically saying something was the case when you had no proof it was at all...and then it turning out to be incorrect. Lots of people do it on these forums to back up their points, and to be honest you have to expect to be pulled up on it, especially when you have strong and well aired views such as yours DPS. It could be 30m, it could be 10m, it could be 50m - nobody knows so you shouldn't suggest you do - whether you intended to or not. But this is a mongboard, where mongs post about the club they love - and tensions tend to run high. Which I did, Post 60. Not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 All of these quotes are within the first 9 posts of this thread. Hypochondriac, why do you think you are able to dismiss the thread and speak for all fans. Why not just let people post what they would consider a successful season? As you can see from the responses, not everyone does go along with classing survival as success. Your initial responses don't even answer the question properly because mr x does not say "would staying up be a successful season", he asks "what would be a successful season to you". How about letting others have a say? Erm thats what the rest of the thread is for. People are perfectly entitled to have their say as have I. I've called it as I've seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 (edited) Erm thats what the rest of the thread is for. People are perfectly entitled to have their say as have I. I've called it as I've seen it. You are like a dull toothache mate - never really cause that much hassle but always hanging around for too long making things uncomfortable. When you think its gone and all is well...it comes back as tedious as before. Edited 13 December, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 You are like a dull toothache mate - never really cause that much hassle but always hanging around for too long making things uncomfortable. When you think its gone and all is well...it comes back as tedious as before. Thanks for your views. Thankfully I have seen your previous posts so I can discount most of what you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Thanks for your views. Thankfully I have seen your previous posts so I can discount most of what you say. Cool, might as well be honest rather than happy clap each other. I respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Not sure I believe anyone's 'I'd be happy with....' statements. Same most seasons and always changes because no-one ever considers the context. Everyone would have been happy with 2nd last year, yet in context it was slightly disappointing and we should have had first. So we had people who'd said mid-table or playoffs moaning all year despite the reality being constantly above their expectation. Likewise if we get to mid-table and slip to near relegation, scraping 17th late on, people will probably be moaning and downbeat, questioning every member of staff. But if we stay near relegation and have a good result to clinch 17th late on, people will be very happy and positive we can improve next season. That pretty much sums up my view... Still 17th and above for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 Cool, might as well be honest rather than happy clap each other. I respect that. And Tbf I respect that response. Well played Sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 And Tbf I respect that response. Well played Sir. TBH I actually have no issue with you at all, I just thought of that toothache thing and then decided to use it at the first available opportunity and you were just there. No hard feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 15 December, 2012 Share Posted 15 December, 2012 With this squad as it is il take 17th, if we sign 2-3 new players in jan winger CB and LB and recall Sharp (not sure we can recall but if can we should incase lambo or jay rod is injured) then il expect 14th-12th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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