Barry Sanchez Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Is this true? Are there middle class clubs as opposed to working class ones? What about the supporters? Chelsea were always known as having a deep rooted hooligan problem yet now they are attacked for having plastic fans from Surrey, this could be said for a lot of successful teams but what about teams that are not so lucky to have a cup or two? Are your Readings, Brightons and Milton Keynes Dons just johnny comes latelys who can not get to a game of rugby or new fans to the game which shouldeb applauded? Is there a link between good atmospheres (a better one than others as atmosphere in stadiums is something not what it was) and traditional working class support and a lack of one to day tripper fans from afar who want to watch solely a game of football/entertainment as opposed to seeing their local side and therefore a small part of their identity being paraded every other saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Fans should only be located in the city of the team. These Surrey fans are utter ******s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I'm upper class. I look down on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I'm at least middle class and I have loads of money... meh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I'm at least middle class and I have loads of money... meh! Get a new coat then ya skinflint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I am refering to clubs newer on the scene but there is some truth say that our teams support is more middle class/conservative than them down the road but ironically its a Labour City and has been for sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 There is a definitely lack of terrace culture at Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
September Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Fans should only be located in the city of the team. These Surrey fans are utter ******s. For lots of Surrey residents Chelsea is their nearest team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I think the days of Ralph Lauren and Lacoste are days gone by for the middle class metro sexual hoolie. just wait for the Vivienne Westwood and Jucy Couture men to appear on the ranks....god that would be a fearful element lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Nobody should be proud of being a pleb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 There is a definitely lack of terrace culture at Southampton. Excellent, we've turned a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Nobody should be proud of being a pleb. I am proud of being working class, how do you define middle class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Class matters not at football so long as one is prepared to stand and deliver against the odds, bin men, bankers, bummers and freaks, we stand together as one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 having sat amongst Liverpool fans recently at anfield, I was surprised how quiet they were compared to our home crowd. thought would be other way around. apart from their song and scarves we are much louder more passionate. I was disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Is class based on your post code, your income, your education, your occupation or your values? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2012 having sat amongst Liverpool fans recently at anfield, I was surprised how quiet they were compared to our home crowd. thought would be other way around. apart from their song and scarves we are much louder more passionate. I was disappointed. Liverpool are quite a middle class set with many fans coming from all over the Country and Europe on matchdays, Everton is the very much working class football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Is class based on your post code, your income, your education, your occupation or your values? One of the above or a combination of them, you find working class trying to be middle class and the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Living in a very much working class city, I find that the vast majority of them are plastics who don't bother supporting their local club. Class has nothing to do with it. (Well, not in the caste sense.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Is this true? Are there middle class clubs as opposed to working class ones? What about the supporters? Chelsea were always known as having a deep rooted hooligan problem yet now they are attacked for having plastic fans from Surrey, this could be said for a lot of successful teams but what about teams that are not so lucky to have a cup or two? Are your Readings, Brightons and Milton Keynes Dons just johnny comes latelys who can not get to a game of rugby or new fans to the game which shouldeb applauded? Is there a link between good atmospheres (a better one than others as atmosphere in stadiums is something not what it was) and traditional working class support and a lack of one to day tripper fans from afar who want to watch solely a game of football/entertainment as opposed to seeing their local side and therefore a small part of their identity being paraded every other saturday?don,t think many club has many real working class fans they have been priced out of football,and abandoned by labour party years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Chelsea definately middle class they threw £1 coins at Man U players, Man Citee Working class only threw 2p coins at Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colehillsaint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I don't think the split is middle class/working class. I think it's single young men with disposable income, on one hand, and dual or high income families on the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I used to consider myself working class. But that was before I went to Fratton Park. Now I think of myself as upper class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I used to consider myself working class. But that was before I went to Fratton Park. Now I think of myself as upper class. Thats odd. After I went to fratton I suddenly moved from pikey to landed gentry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Excellent, we've turned a corner. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 What an absolutely pathetic topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 There is a definitely lack of terrace culture at Southampton. What exactly defines "terrace culture". What sort of behaviour/style/mannerisms do you feel we lack? I do know what you mean but I'd like to hear you define it (and don't worry, I'm not trying to peg you as someone backing violence or anything, I mean in that respect take a look at the absolute racket the fans make in Germany despite the fact that the vast majority of them certainly seem to be quite civilized when away from the game.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 There's something in this, the harder the living the more vociferous the enjoyment of recreation. Billy Connolly once noted that the gigs in Newcastle Australia, a city of industry and 'salt of the earth' individuals, his gigs were far more enjoyable and lively than that of a more salubrious area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 There is a definitely lack of terrace culture at Southampton. As St Mary's has no terracing is that possibly why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Somebody will also need to define class in this as well Cannot just be the amount on money the person has because some Lottery winners are certainly Lower class and a lot of Aristocrats (upperclass are Poor) Subclasses of the classes will need defining as well to prevent skates being defined as something there not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I just wrote two long-winded answers to the question raised by the OP, and then realised, on this forum, no one will bother, or care, to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I just wrote two long-winded answers to the question raised by the OP, and then realised, on this forum, no one will bother, or care, to read it. Unless you post it we wont know will we ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Class is a state of mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 You should replace class with income. That would be more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Is this true? Are there middle class clubs as opposed to working class ones? What about the supporters? Chelsea were always known as having a deep rooted hooligan problem yet now they are attacked for having plastic fans from Surrey, this could be said for a lot of successful teams but what about teams that are not so lucky to have a cup or two? Are your Readings, Brightons and Milton Keynes Dons just johnny comes latelys who can not get to a game of rugby or new fans to the game which shouldeb applauded? Is there a link between good atmospheres (a better one than others as atmosphere in stadiums is something not what it was) and traditional working class support and a lack of one to day tripper fans from afar who want to watch solely a game of football/entertainment as opposed to seeing their local side and therefore a small part of their identity being paraded every other saturday? who said that plastic fans were middle class? Something you have made up or did you see it elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Liverpool are quite a middle class set with many fans coming from all over the Country and Europe on matchdays, Everton is the very much working class football team. Well Everton were pretty quiet as well - except for their goal celebrations of course. They couldn't even muster a response to Saints singing, Is this a library? Is this a library? So being working class doesn't automatically guarantee atmosphere....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 For lots of Surrey residents Chelsea is their nearest team. By this I presume you mean "their nearest Premiership top-6 team". that sounds plastic to me. People should only be allowed into the ground of their nearest team. That includes you, OP. Otherwise is a disgrace, people just wanting to go and see a game of football for a nice afternoon out, shouldn't be allowed, should have the blood in their veins and don't get me started on people who have two claubs. Two clubs? TWO CLUBS???? thats uber-plastic and people like that should be allowed in football grounds only people who have only ever supported one team and who only ever want to watch one team and who probably haven't really left the town they grew up in for 40 years or nmore but thats another story. Thats better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 There should be a "not" in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 By this I presume you mean "their nearest Premiership top-6 team". that sounds plastic to me. People should only be allowed into the ground of their nearest team. That includes you, OP. Otherwise is a disgrace, people just wanting to go and see a game of football for a nice afternoon out, shouldn't be allowed, should have the blood in their veins and don't get me started on people who have two claubs. Two clubs? TWO CLUBS???? thats uber-plastic and people like that should be allowed in football grounds only people who have only ever supported one team and who only ever want to watch one team and who probably haven't really left the town they grew up in for 40 years or nmore but thats another story. Thats better. so who should ppl in Surrey support? I cant think of a stable and consistent league club between Chelsea/Fulham, reading and saints.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Is this true? Are there middle class clubs as opposed to working class ones? What about the supporters? Chelsea were always known as having a deep rooted hooligan problem yet now they are attacked for having plastic fans from Surrey, this could be said for a lot of successful teams but what about teams that are not so lucky to have a cup or two? Are your Readings, Brightons and Milton Keynes Dons just johnny comes latelys who can not get to a game of rugby or new fans to the game which shouldeb applauded? Is there a link between good atmospheres (a better one than others as atmosphere in stadiums is something not what it was) and traditional working class support and a lack of one to day tripper fans from afar who want to watch solely a game of football/entertainment as opposed to seeing their local side and therefore a small part of their identity being paraded every other saturday? I reckon that fans who sing probably are predominantly working class. However, that doesn't make fans who don't sing 'plastic', just a bit more reserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 What exactly defines "terrace culture". What sort of behaviour/style/mannerisms do you feel we lack? I do know what you mean but I'd like to hear you define it (and don't worry, I'm not trying to peg you as someone backing violence or anything, I mean in that respect take a look at the absolute racket the fans make in Germany despite the fact that the vast majority of them certainly seem to be quite civilized when away from the game.) In essence it's groups of well dressed, clued up lads. Don't confuse this with groups of lads looking for a fight. What it isn't is Blokes dressed as clowns and In gimp suits Scruffy blokes singing different songs to the same tune over and over again Fat blokes in replica shirts clapping like coked up seals Soppy tarts that take their birds to games Blokes that rush home after the game to watch X factor There are small pockets of the top group about but the vast majority of our fans fall into the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I was recently reading an interview with Jonathan Meades (that's how I roll - he's also a Saints supporter) and he was discussing social class and the so called north / south divide. He made the following observation about Liverpool and Southampton in the 1970s which made me smile: "Oh, I don't think the South is a paradise, that's a complete nonsense. I have a friend who grew up in Liverpool 8 above a pub and he went to university in Southampton and he said that Liverpool will kick you but then say, ‘Sorry wack.' But Southampton will just kick you. We're talking about places that are hard, without any doubt; especially port towns." There was also an interview with Bob Paisley in the early 80s when he compared the port/football demographics of Liverpool and Southampton. I can remember several occasions in the 70s and 80s when northern and London clubs came to Southampton for some bumpkin bashing and got the shock of their lives, due to the docks being on short time or catching large contingents of local nutters in certain pubs by accident. There were also away games where all the local faces plus entourages would show up, all ages, in large numbers, the Brighton FA Cup away game in 1986 sticks in the mind. Anyway, in terms of the original post, in my opinion certain clubs are irrevocably linked to the social identity of their city, and where the city has a history of toil / industry you will have a hardcore of rooted working class tribal support, even if they don't go to matches. Not sure what Reading is built on apart from chocolate and Oscar Wilde, Brighton nudism and dirty weekends - perhaps there is something in this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 In essence it's groups of well dressed, clued up lads. Don't confuse this with groups of lads looking for a fight. What it isn't is Blokes dressed as clowns and In gimp suits Scruffy blokes singing different songs to the same tune over and over again Fat blokes in replica shirts clapping like coked up seals Soppy tarts that take their birds to games Blokes that rush home after the game to watch X factor There are small pockets of the top group about but the vast majority of our fans fall into the second. To be fair i think going to down the leagues helped with our terrace culture a bit, in league one we were definitely getting it back again but as you'd expect now we've gone back to the premiership it's a noticeable minority, although you do find that there's a few pubs that are more inclined to terrace culture than others (the alex definitely has it's own character these days). Also away games at the less fashionable places always have a good chunk of that support - i'm thinking Millwall away for example - so it does exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Pedro Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 In essence it's groups of well dressed, clued up lads. Don't confuse this with groups of lads looking for a fight. What it isn't is Blokes dressed as clowns and In gimp suits Scruffy blokes singing different songs to the same tune over and over again Fat blokes in replica shirts clapping like coked up seals Soppy tarts that take their birds to games Blokes that rush home after the game to watch X factor There are small pockets of the top group about but the vast majority of our fans fall into the second. Hmmm, yet again trying to make the majority feel like 'they're not worthy' compared to you and you mates It doesn't work - we don't care and we won't start wearing Ben Sherman just because you tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Clubs like Leeds, Spurs etc have always had a working class support and that's why they're pretty noisy grounds. Their away support is decent in terms of numbers and noise and you rarely if ever see them dressed up like Christmas trees. Then there is our support... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Hmmm, yet again trying to make the majority feel like 'they're not worthy' compared to you and you mates It doesn't work - we don't care and we won't start wearing Ben Sherman just because you tell us. I think this comment just about sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I think this comment just about sums it up. What are you rolling your eyes for? You're often spotted in your Ben Sherman t-shirt you got from Debenhams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Clubs like Leeds, Spurs etc have always had a working class support and that's why they're pretty noisy grounds. Their away support is decent in terms of numbers and noise and you rarely if ever see them dressed up like Christmas trees. Then there is our support... Our support is not really different to other clubs of our size. I see just as many gimp suited bellends at Wolves & Stoke as I do at SMS and both cities are far more base than Soton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 What are you rolling your eyes for? You're often spotted in your Ben Sherman t-shirt you got from Debenhams. and my cords and high top mong shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Our support is not really different to other clubs of our size. I see just as many gimp suited bellends at Wolves & Stoke as I do at SMS and both cities are far more base than Soton. I agree but it doesn't make it right or acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I'm upper class. I look down on him. I know my place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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