Macey_J2 Posted 11 December, 2012 Share Posted 11 December, 2012 Apologies in advance for the rant, but it seems many users of this roundabout are unaware of its road layout. There is a set of traffic lights ON the roundabout which consists of 2 lanes. The right lane is for turning right and straight ahead to motorway slip road. The left lane is STRAIGHT ON ONLY. Every day i use this roundabout and see people have near misses because of other users in the wrong (left) lane cutting across traffic. This evening i had two different people cut me up from the left lane and without indicating! It might not sound that bad but it happens ALOT and is an accident waiting to happen, causing huge inconvience only because of people not paying attention. Please dont crash into me when im on my way to work, it'l be very annoying and expensive for me. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 11 December, 2012 Share Posted 11 December, 2012 Thanks for the heads up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 11 December, 2012 Share Posted 11 December, 2012 (edited) Thank feck I live on Exmoor. Edited 11 December, 2012 by RonManager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 11 December, 2012 Share Posted 11 December, 2012 Someone should tell Junction 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 11 December, 2012 Share Posted 11 December, 2012 Which direction are you coming from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macey_J2 Posted 11 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 11 December, 2012 Which direction are you coming from? West bound, come off the m27, up and past the slip road lights, theres a small set of lights. Next exit is back down the west bound m27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 11 December, 2012 Share Posted 11 December, 2012 I live just off that junction, and this plsses me off every time I use it. Without fail, there is some knobhead on the inside lane and turning right towards Romsey. They have even painted arrows on the lanes to remind these tw*ts who've forgotten how to use a roundabout, but apparently to no avail. Its dangerous, and extremely annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 A similar thing happens at the Charlotte Place (Jury's Inn) roundabout. The left hand lane, as it passes the East Park Terrace turning, is for vehicles exiting at Brunswick Place OR the next exit, the A33 towards The Avenue. The trouble is, there are two lanes exiting into Brunswick Place off the roundabout, so vehicles think it's ok to be in the right hand lane and exit into the right hand lane on Brunswick. If any of you use this roundabout regularly and do this, you'd better hope I'm not in the left hand lane alongside you! I ALWAYS position myself in the left hand lane as I pass the East Park Terrace exit, whenever I want to exit at Brunswick Place OR the A33. If I exit onto Brunswick, I will exit (slowly) into the right hand lane and stop you from cutting across into that right hand lane. Similarly, I will be driving slowly on to the A33, just ahead of your vehicle if I see you indicating to cut across into Brunswick. I absolutely LOVE doing this. The reactions, from blasting horns to hand gestures to frothing obscenities, from the drivers I (correctly) impede is priceless. There have been occasions where I have stopped my vehicle on the roundabout or exit to point out to such drivers how they have incorrectly tried to exit the roundabout, in contravention of the clearly marked lanes and road signs. The look on their faces when they go from a rage to embarrassment is priceless. "No need to apologise, just take it as a free driving education, from me to you." always helps:-) I suggest you grow some balls, position yourself just ahead of any vehicle when you reach that exit, and be prepared to stand your ground. If they collide with your vehicle they're in the wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 From an insurance claim standpoint the painted arrows are only a guide - if you have an accident with someone in those circumstances its likely to end up a 50/50 despite common sense suggesting you're in the right. Particularly if they're ahead of you and turn across you as Highway Code says you must be prepared to stop. My daily drive to work includes the Ower M27 junction, J3, and the end of the M271. See regular near misses on all of those because of people not following the markings, workmate is currently being surprised by the fact he's losing his excess on a 50/50 on J3 in exactly the circumstances you mention (but coming from the other way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Having worked in motor insurance claims for a number of years before having my own Uninsured Loss Recovery and Legal Expenses business specialising in non-fault motor accidents: I think O'll take my chances with my knowledge of the law, case law over any layman's suggestion; thanks all the same. I am always established in the left hand lane slightly ahead of the other vehicle; The other vehicle is the one ignoring the clearly marked lane markings and road signs and changing lanes; if we ever collide, the other vehicle's nearside is going to impact my O/S/R. My vehicle is also fitted with cctv and cameras - believe me: it would NOT be a 50/50 case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I'm with Essruu on this one, I stand my ground too. It would help if drivers actually used the signs before the roundabouts too... funnily enough they tend to tell you which lane is for which exit, but so many people ignore them because they think they know which is the correct lane. Six Dials is indeed a classic for all this, not just as Essruu said above, but also when coming down off the Avenue, so many people incorrectly use the right hand lane to try and exit towards Northam, and vice versa, try to jump across from the left hand lane to take the East Park Terrace or Brunswick exits. And this even *with* the painted lines. F*ckw!ts the lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Please remember that some drivers may not be local, the road markings may be obscured by other vehicles and that at nighttime when it's raining it can be impossible to see any markings at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Minty, the Charlotte Place roundabout is not Six Dials. So many people make this mistake at this roundabout ... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Please remember that some drivers may not be local, the road markings may be obscured by other vehicles and that at nighttime when it's raining it can be impossible to see any markings at all. ... plus the massive road signs before you enter the roundabout telling you which lane to be in for your intended exit, may... umm... Have been... err... I mean... hang on a minute... Errr... oh yeah... those massive road signs may have been blown away in the wind... or something. I drive all over the country, yet can still manage to be in the correct lane at all times - thanks to the road signs and lane markings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Minty, the Charlotte Place roundabout is not Six Dials. So many people make this mistake at this roundabout ... ;-) Damn beat me to it. Have to excuse him though, he's too young to remember it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Having worked in motor insurance claims for a number of years before having my own Uninsured Loss Recovery and Legal Expenses business specialising in non-fault motor accidents: I think O'll take my chances with my knowledge of the law, case law over any layman's suggestion; thanks all the same. I am always established in the left hand lane slightly ahead of the other vehicle; The other vehicle is the one ignoring the clearly marked lane markings and road signs and changing lanes; if we ever collide, the other vehicle's nearside is going to impact my O/S/R. My vehicle is also fitted with cctv and cameras - believe me: it would NOT be a 50/50 case. I had a similar situation when living in Bournemouth. Both lanes on the roundabout went off up the A338, but the clown in the left hand lane wanted to go round the roundabout and took out the back of my car and therefore making me spin of the road. I went loopy at him, obviously. The insurance company decided it should be 50/50. I said no. We went to court and a judge with no knowledge or understanding of the road layout, decided it should be 75/25 in my favour, but it should have been 100 in my favour, not just 75. Despite this being 12 years ago, it STILL p*sses me off to this day. It isn't difficult to; 1. Read the road signs AHEAD of the roundabout2. If you're new to the area/road layout, drive more slowly to make sure you're in the right bloody lane 3. Once on the roundabout and you realise you're wrong (which you shouldn't be if you've done 1 and 2 above), then slow down, indicate and let the traffic that knows what it is doing get on with it so you don't cause a crash. Preferably, just leave at other exit and find a place to turn around. Although I forget that everyone is bloody rude and in a rush these days and that 30 seconds is very important to you. Clowns. As I get the train to work now, I only put 3000 miles on my car in the last year - I am a lot calmer about driving now as a result, it's a horrible necessity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Minty, the Charlotte Place roundabout is not Six Dials. So many people make this mistake at this roundabout ... ;-) Doh. Well even if I get the name wrong, at least I can drive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Damn beat me to it. Have to excuse him though, he's too young to remember it Not been called 'too young' for a while, but I guess compared to you... And thinking about it, I'm sure I remember people calling it Six Dials when I was younger, but yes of course, it is Charlotte Place. Whatever it is, people can't drive round it properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Six Dials is the junction where St Andrews Road meets New Road, Northam Road and Kingsway - the junction you come to next when taking the correct lane off of Charlotte Place towards Northam ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 ... plus the massive road signs before you enter the roundabout telling you which lane to be in for your intended exit, may... umm... Have been... err... I mean... hang on a minute... Errr... oh yeah... those massive road signs may have been blown away in the wind... or something. I drive all over the country, yet can still manage to be in the correct lane at all times - thanks to the road signs and lane markings. I can't always be reading the signs, I mean if I'm sending text message or something. If i find myself stuck in wrong lane tho i think it would be better if you hang back a bit and let me figure it out. I'll probably get there eventually. I dunno why you have to be so mean bout it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I sometimes find myself in the wrong lane. This one time a knobend taxi driver just wouldn't let me out, even when I apologised for being in the wrong lane. He just sat there with his stubborn miserable face and bald egg like head mumbling something about free driving lessons. In the end I just shoved his taxi sign up his arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Oh hi tokyos! Have you noticed bout Essruu spamming up the lounge all morning? How come he ain't restricted to 3 posts? What do I pay my fiver for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Just noticed shaun cabbie has run out of posts and is now getting a load of stick. Tweet me at the usual address, I will pass on any insults to bearsy. 'Some people run from trouble, some people meet it half way, others are glad to pay for the cab fare over' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I sometimes find myself in the wrong lane. This one time a knobend taxi driver just wouldn't let me out, even when I apologised for being in the wrong lane. He just sat there with his stubborn miserable face and bald egg like head mumbling something about free driving lessons. In the end I just shoved his taxi sign up his arse. Michael McIntyre should watch his back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Please remember that some drivers may not be local, the road markings may be obscured by other vehicles and that at nighttime when it's raining it can be impossible to see any markings at all. If I'm in a new place, I make sure I look up where I'm going in advance, and at the very least, make a note of road numbers or destination names, so that I can use the signs to find them. Obscured road markings can be a problem I agree, some places they are virtually non-existent, but on the roundabouts mentioned above they are very clear... but that still doesn't change the fact that if you suspect you need to make a manoeuvre which takes you into a 'lane' or section of road occupied by another vehicle, you should indicate and wait, not just pull across and cut them up or collide with them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 What do I pay my fiver for? You pay your fiver to generally act like a retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Oh hi tokyos! Have you noticed bout Essruu spamming up the lounge all morning? How come he ain't restricted to 3 posts? What do I pay my fiver for? Michael McIntyre should watch his back... Whaaaaaaattttt!?!? Is this some kind of curry night lift home deal going on? How come you have managed to crack the system? Btw - been busy tonight? What time do you finish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Having worked in motor insurance claims for a number of years before having my own Uninsured Loss Recovery and Legal Expenses business specialising in non-fault motor accidents: I think O'll take my chances with my knowledge of the law, case law over any layman's suggestion; thanks all the same. I am always established in the left hand lane slightly ahead of the other vehicle; The other vehicle is the one ignoring the clearly marked lane markings and road signs and changing lanes; if we ever collide, the other vehicle's nearside is going to impact my O/S/R. My vehicle is also fitted with cctv and cameras - believe me: it would NOT be a 50/50 case. Essru, Have you fitted CCTV to your private vehicle and if so what system do you use? Ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Essru, Have you fitted CCTV to your private vehicle and if so what system do you use? Ta He's go to have it fitted because of bylaws in Soton and him driving a cab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 CCTV I my cabs. I am considering a dashboard mounted camera in my other vehicles too though: too many idiot drivers on the road. I've looked at a few systems, but may just go for a Veho Muvi as it's more versatile and can be used elsewhere too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 If the resulting videos are half as entertaining* as Rulebook Ric's from his motorbike, then I expect to see a whole thread dedicated to them on here. (* - allowing for the fact he nearly gets knocked off his bike in quite a few of them, which is not entertaining, but once you know he's ok, then it's fine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 So how would your current system (CCTV inside your cab) help with a liability dispute after a crash? Surely it would just show you moaning about people being in the wrong lane etc before hand and then going mental after the driver hit you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Dual cameras - the set up gives a clear view out of the offside and rear windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Fair enough if you get hit from that angle I suppose. However, I imagine the range out of the window is pretty small as the focus is mainly the inside of the cab? Out of interest, do you ever let any one out at junctions and stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Fair enough if you get hit from that angle I suppose. However, I imagine the range out of the window is pretty small as the focus is mainly the inside of the cab? Out of interest, do you ever let any one out at junctions and stuff? I almost always do. I am probably the most courteous driver on the road when it comes to letting vehicle turn into junctions ahead of me, pull out of side roads and overtaking on motorways (and I'm not joking!) The ones that I won't always let out are drivers who try to 'force' their way out. If you're going to be rude and try to bully other drivers, then you can wait your turn with me, I'm afraid. When driving alone I will be more courteous than if I am carrying a fare - purely because some passengers are idiots and think you're slowing their journey down or doing it to try to increase the fare. When carrying passengers, my courtesy will extend to situations where it does not affect the journey i.e. allowing a car to turn right, across my path into a side road, so I do not lose any time or fall further back in a queue of traffic. Only in moderate to heavy traffic will I let cars emerge from side roads in front of me if I am carrying a fare. I will say though, it's commuters that are the most ignorant of drivers on the road: the sort of people who drive to work in busy rush hour, leave their car parked up all day and then drive home in busy rush hour. These people are stressed, ignorant and discourteous because they only ever encounter other stressed and ignorant drivers. It's like someone flicks a 'time to drive like a ***t' switch from 8-9am and then 4.30-6pm. During the day, most road users are taxis, buses, delivery drivers, retired people, people going to the shops: generally professional drivers and people not really in a hurry. As a result, then road habits and behaviour of these drivers are FAR mor friendly and courteous than then commuting idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I agree with some of what you say but not all. I would say I am a pretty courteous driver and generally let people out, however on the Avenue or the bit before the avenue between Bedford place and the traffic lights by the travel lodge, it drives me crazy when people speed past the traffic jam in the right hand lane (filtering towards Beavis Valley?) and then try and cut in at the end to join the avenue - those ****ers can wait. If I were to list most annoying drivers in some kind of moaning league table mine would look like this: 1) School run w@nkers and cvvnts - like the commuters you mentions only worse as they drive less, think as they kids, they are the most important people in the world and park anywhere, causing jams. 2) White van drivers - some are ok but those that are not are complete w@nkers 3) posh ****s - especially driving near Wimbledon common. Like the school runners, have a high sense of importance + never wave to say thanks when you let them out. 4) London bus drivers - always play the forceful driving card - generally never let you out. 5) Commuters - as you said 6) Cabies - some ok, however some think because they drive all day, they can do whatever the fvvck they like. 7) Normal humans - wish the road was just for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Minty Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 You spend all that time lecturing others about behaviour on the roads, and then go and take a picture whilst at the wheel! Reckless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 You spend all that time lecturing others about behaviour on the roads, and then go and take a picture whilst at the wheel! Reckless! Nice of him to fuzz out the number plates though to protect the innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Nice of him to fuzz out the number plates though to protect the innocent. Well, given that he probably lost control of his vehicle and hit them just after this was taken, I think that's only fair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I agree with some of what you say but not all. I would say I am a pretty courteous driver and generally let people out, however on the Avenue or the bit before the avenue between Bedford place and the traffic lights by the travel lodge, it drives me crazy when people speed past the traffic jam in the right hand lane (filtering towards Beavis Valley?) and then try and cut in at the end to join the avenue - those ****ers can wait. If I were to list most annoying drivers in some kind of moaning league table mine would look like this: 1) School run w@nkers and cvvnts - like the commuters you mentions only worse as they drive less, think as they kids, they are the most important people in the world and park anywhere, causing jams. 2) White van drivers - some are ok but those that are not are complete w@nkers 3) posh ****s - especially driving near Wimbledon common. Like the school runners, have a high sense of importance + never wave to say thanks when you let them out. 4) London bus drivers - always play the forceful driving card - generally never let you out. 5) Commuters - as you said 6) Cabies - some ok, however some think because they drive all day, they can do whatever the fvvck they like. 7) Normal humans - wish the road was just for me. I would add :- 0) Executives in German branded cars, BMW, Audi etc, think they own the road... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 http://www.cbrd.co.uk/badjunctions/27-271/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I would add :- 0) Executives in German branded cars, BMW, Audi etc, think they own the road... Forgot about them! Yeah, add Turkish to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 (edited) I see what you mean thanks to Google Maps. So now I have a question about coming off J3 Eastbound and carrying on to the M271 southbound. Now there are no arrows on the road or any signage saying which lane to get. As traffic is normally heavy I get in the left hand lane and carry on round the roundabout in the left hand lane. It seems to annoy other drivers for some reason despite the fact that there is clearly two lanes and no lane markings indicating that one should move over or not... Edited 12 December, 2012 by Big Bad Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I see what you mean thanks to Google Maps. So now I have a question about coming off J3 Eastbound and carrying on to the M271. Now there are no arrows on the road or any signage saying which lane to get. As traffic is normally heavy I get in the left hand lane and carry on round the roundabout in the left hand lane. It seems to annoy other drivers for some reason despite the fact that there is clearly two lanes and no lane markings indicating that one should move over or not... M271 goes both ways but assuming you mean towards Southampton, my understanding was always that on a 2 lane roundabout with no markings to the contrary you should always be in the right hand lane until you pass the junction before the one that you wish to take (in your case the one back onto Ebound M27) and then signal left and change lanes when safe, before turning off at your required exit. However both my daughters have passed there tests in last couple of years and tell me I am wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Unless otherwise directed by signs or road markings, Wurzel is correct and you are in the wrong lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I would add :- 0) Executives in German branded cars, BMW, Audi etc, think they own the road... 9) old decaying drivers doing about 40MPH on the motorway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 9) old decaying drivers doing about 40MPH on the motorway. Keep to the inside lane and I don't mind. They are worse in tight situations, 1 car lane, someone needs to reverse back a bit or similar. Any driving skill they did have, died off with miss daisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Unless otherwise directed by signs or road markings, Wurzel is correct and you are in the wrong lane. Huh. Ain't I allowed to use right lane for straight on? I do that sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Huh. Ain't I allowed to use right lane for straight on? I do that sometimes. That's fine bear, like if you were the green car and wanted to go back down the way you just came, you don't have still turn off the right turn as the picture tells you to, you can keep going around and go into the outside lane past the orange car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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