JackFrost Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 According to my calculations he has just broken Gerd Muller's record of number of goals in a calendar year, set in 1972. I believe Messi has just scored his 85th and 86th goals of 2012 against Real Betis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 Crazy record given football is a very different game to when Muller played. Muller played when high scoring games were common so certainly had more opportunities. Would also suggest he was playing in a weaker league but other than the top two La Liga isn't what it used to be. What price seeing him at Man City next year (or Chelsea if Pep goes there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 Messi will never play for an English club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 9 December, 2012 Share Posted 9 December, 2012 I keep saying to myself out loud, but 86 is a mental amount..still has about 3 matches to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 10 December, 2012 Share Posted 10 December, 2012 Is he that Argie Steve De Ridder they keep banging on about on SSN? Reckon he needs a new challenge, come on Nicola get your wallet out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 December, 2012 Share Posted 10 December, 2012 Sure they do play more games these days though?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 December, 2012 Share Posted 10 December, 2012 Sure they do play more games these days though?!dont think so...they dont have a league cup for example...but did get to the semis of the CL...probably far in their FA Cup and scored a boag load for the argies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 December, 2012 Share Posted 10 December, 2012 He's not even a striker really is he, more like an attacking midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 10 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 December, 2012 Crazy record given football is a very different game to when Muller played. Muller played when high scoring games were common so certainly had more opportunities. Would also suggest he was playing in a weaker league but other than the top two La Liga isn't what it used to be. What price seeing him at Man City next year (or Chelsea if Pep goes there Messi doesn't strike me as a lad that'll "sell out" as it were and join City. Why would he want to leave Barca? I doubt he'd move to City even if City offered to treble his wages. He's played with some of those Barca players most of his life. Also regarding the top 2 in La Liga they are currently Barcelona and Atletico Madrid Speaking of Atletico I notice Falcao scored 5 last night against Deportivo in their 6-0 win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 December, 2012 Share Posted 10 December, 2012 Messi doesn't strike me as a lad that'll "sell out" as it were and join City. Why would he want to leave Barca? I doubt he'd move to City even if City offered to treble his wages. He's played with some of those Barca players most of his life. Also regarding the top 2 in La Liga they are currently Barcelona and Atletico Madrid Speaking of Atletico I notice Falcao scored 5 last night against Deportivo in their 6-0 win. why would any player want to leave Barcelona unless they had too? Great club, great league, great stadium in a fantastic city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 10 December, 2012 Share Posted 10 December, 2012 Always cracks me up when people say "he wouldn't get those goals without Iniesta, Xavi etc". Of course he wouldn't they are brilliant and he acknowledges them at every opportunity as he has a bit of class about him. However, anyone that actually understands football see's his assists and general impact on each game, as Turkish says he's not even an out an out striker. His scoring record is beyond phenomenal - and he does it at every level, even scoring a header in the European Cup Final against Man U - he's 5ft 6 ffs! We are lucky to be living through a time with him playing, outrageous talent and he's still only 25. Will never play for a Chelsea or Citeh, he'll stay at Barca for life. They showed huge faith in him at an early age and he will stay there for life imo. Doesn't seem to be motivated by money and plays the game with a smile on his face. I hope he can dominate a World Cup to shut up the last flat earthers (could it do it on a cold February night in Stoke ffs) that don't recognise him as the best player in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 10 December, 2012 Share Posted 10 December, 2012 Personally, I consider him the greatest player ever. One of my bucket list items is to see him play live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 10 December, 2012 Share Posted 10 December, 2012 Always cracks me up when people say "he wouldn't get those goals without Iniesta, Xavi etc". Of course he wouldn't they are brilliant and he acknowledges them at every opportunity as he has a bit of class about him. However, anyone that actually understands football see's his assists and general impact on each game, as Turkish says he's not even an out an out striker. His scoring record is beyond phenomenal - and he does it at every level, even scoring a header in the European Cup Final against Man U - he's 5ft 6 ffs! We are lucky to be living through a time with him playing, outrageous talent and he's still only 25. Will never play for a Chelsea or Citeh, he'll stay at Barca for life. They showed huge faith in him at an early age and he will stay there for life imo. Doesn't seem to be motivated by money and plays the game with a smile on his face. I hope he can dominate a World Cup to shut up the last flat earthers (could it do it on a cold February night in Stoke ffs) that don't recognise him as the best player in the world. Make you right on all your points there mate, greatest player of all time. Part of me does think it's a shame we'll never see him play a season or two over here, but that probaably helps us to admire him, rather than he be tainted by all the sh*te that goes with playing for one of the big sides over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 11 December, 2012 Share Posted 11 December, 2012 Sure they do play more games these days though?! Messi has played 6 more games and a lot of them are the equivalent of man its whacking off against Yeovil. I suspect that man its with van persi would beat the record without much difficulty if let them have a season in Barcelona's place. I don't get y people fawn over messi. Yes he is one of the world's greatest ever players but he is not the greatest. He's has won **** all frankly. And he is playing for apparently the world's best team... Ever. Who happen to have won **** all in the grand relative scheme of greatest ever teams. Sheesh. Also. All but 8 of his goals are from inside of the box. So I would suggest that Marty had something that messi doesnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Messi has played 6 more games and a lot of them are the equivalent of man its whacking off against Yeovil. I suspect that man its with van persi would beat the record without much difficulty if let them have a season in Barcelona's place. I don't get y people fawn over messi. Yes he is one of the world's greatest ever players but he is not the greatest. He's has won **** all frankly. And he is playing for apparently the world's best team... Ever. Who happen to have won **** all in the grand relative scheme of greatest ever teams. Sheesh. Also. All but 8 of his goals are from inside of the box. So I would suggest that Marty had something that messi doesnt. Yeah, you're right. Messi = no mark, two bit , overrated Argie, who happens to be falling into the path of crosses circa 86 times a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Messi has played 6 more games and a lot of them are the equivalent of man its whacking off against Yeovil. I suspect that man its with van persi would beat the record without much difficulty if let them have a season in Barcelona's place. I don't get y people fawn over messi. Yes he is one of the world's greatest ever players but he is not the greatest. He's has won **** all frankly. And he is playing for apparently the world's best team... Ever. Who happen to have won **** all in the grand relative scheme of greatest ever teams. Sheesh. Also. All but 8 of his goals are from inside of the box. So I would suggest that Marty had something that messi doesnt.Geroge best won SFA internationally as he nobody alongside him, it is not Messis fault that he is not Spanish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Messi has played 6 more games and a lot of them are the equivalent of man its whacking off against Yeovil. I suspect that man its with van persi would beat the record without much difficulty if let them have a season in Barcelona's place. I don't get y people fawn over messi. Yes he is one of the world's greatest ever players but he is not the greatest. He's has won **** all frankly. And he is playing for apparently the world's best team... Ever. Who happen to have won **** all in the grand relative scheme of greatest ever teams. Sheesh. Also. All but 8 of his goals are from inside of the box. So I would suggest that Marty had something that messi doesnt. You are a nutter. However, despite assuming this is a wind up I'll just start with the bit in bold. So far (at the ripe old age of 25) he's won: 5X La Liga 5X Spanish Super Cup 2X Copa Del Ray 2X FIFA World Club Championship 2X UEFA Supercup 3X Champions League 1X Olympic Gold That doesn't include his golden boots/ Ballon d'Ors or at the fact he's top scored in the Champions League for 4 seasons in a row. I assume that Man U with RVP will break this run as they are so good and presumably can do it on a cold Monday night in Stoke though lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Speaking of Atletico I notice Falcao scored 5 last night against Deportivo in their 6-0 win. Thats, er, interesting... #confused #unlessyouaregettingmixedupwithFalque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 13 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 December, 2012 According to the Zambian FA, Messi hasn't broken the record yet http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20711038 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Finished the year with 91 goals, will we ever see someone break that record? Great player, but not the best! This guy is:adore: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Honestly believe Ronaldo is a better all round player, and if there positions were swapped and he wasnt such a pr?ck then he would be the one regarded as the better player. Better technique, flair and strength. All IMHO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 Messi and Ronaldo are quite similar in terms of technical ability, but Messi has the ultimate footballing brain. He sees runs that nobody else can, he finds those few centimetres in the box that make the difference and his work rate is brilliant for such a gifted player. Comes across as humble and grounded and he looks as if he loves every minute he's playing professional football. Ronaldo on the other hand is sulky and extremely arrogant, although he is supremely gifted. If he had the mentality of Messi it might be a closer match, but alas no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 Messi and Ronaldo are quite similar in terms of technical ability, but Messi has the ultimate footballing brain. He sees runs that nobody else can, he finds those few centimetres in the box that make the difference and his work rate is brilliant for such a gifted player. Comes across as humble and grounded and he looks as if he loves every minute he's playing professional football. Ronaldo on the other hand is sulky and extremely arrogant, although he is supremely gifted. If he had the mentality of Messi it might be a closer match, but alas no. The problem with comparing the two is ultimately because Barca make Messi that extra bit better, if you know what I mean ? Barca build the team around Messi and he is the hub, they are the best team in the world for a reason, their movement and passing is sublime and this comes from years of playing together as the same cohesive unit. Ronaldo plays for Real who instead of being a quality team are more a collection of quality players, and yes his workrate isnt as good but his skill with a ball at his feet, and physical attributes are better, also I dont see how his arrogance should affect the way we Look at his ability in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 He is rubbish. He cannot produce an Ice cream from a Pack of Playing Cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 24 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 December, 2012 The problem with comparing the two is ultimately because Barca make Messi that extra bit better, if you know what I mean ? Barca build the team around Messi and he is the hub, they are the best team in the world for a reason, their movement and passing is sublime and this comes from years of playing together as the same cohesive unit. Ronaldo plays for Real who instead of being a quality team are more a collection of quality players, and yes his workrate isnt as good but his skill with a ball at his feet, and physical attributes are better, also I dont see how his arrogance should affect the way we Look at his ability in general Because half the time he runs at a player he throws himself to the floor and waves his arms around wanting a free kick, where Messi is constantly driving at the defence, looking for the pass or putting the opposition under pressure in some way. It's arguable that it's their respective attitudes that's the difference between the two players. Also when it comes to goals alone Messi has outscored Ronaldo in 2 of the 3 seasons since Ronaldo moved to Madrid. This season they've both played 17 games, Ronaldo has 14 goals, Messi has 26. Ronaldo & Messi are the two best players in the world and have been for years. Ronaldo's goal record has been simply sensational for years but there's a good reason why Messi is being discussed as one of the greatest ever and Ronaldo isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 Because half the time he runs at a player he throws himself to the floor and waves his arms around wanting a free kick, where Messi is constantly driving at the defence, looking for the pass or putting the opposition under pressure in some way. It's arguable that it's their respective attitudes that's the difference between the two players. Also when it comes to goals alone Messi has outscored Ronaldo in 2 of the 3 seasons since Ronaldo moved to Madrid. This season they've both played 17 games, Ronaldo has 14 goals, Messi has 26. Ronaldo & Messi are the two best players in the world and have been for years. Ronaldo's goal record has been simply sensational for years but there's a good reason why Messi is being discussed as one of the greatest ever and Ronaldo isn't. Im not sure its that straightforward, as I said before Messi's brilliance is exaggerated by the fact that the Barca team is soo good, certainly compared even to Madrid. Its all there for Messi, and my point being if Ronaldo and Messi swapped clubs we would be hailing Ronaldos brilliance, perhaps his arrogance doesnt help his cause either. Put it this way, Messi has never really shone as brightly for the argies, a team in which he is more an individual then a cohesive unit with him the focus, this is in contrast to Ronaldos displays at portugal and madrid, when he drags a team up to his standards. One thing is for sure though, we are seeing probably two of the best players ever, there is certainly nobody I have seen in the prem of his quality, and Messi's record is exceptional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 He's their 4th top scorer of all time and soon to overtake Maradona. Bit of a myth he hasn't done it for them. And he still has top players around him, they've just been erratic and poorly managed much of the time, different positions and so on. He'll probably end up their top scorer ever. Barcelona are that good largely because of Messi. It's crazy the effort people go to justifying him not being the greatest player. No, he hasn't scored at Stoke. Ronaldo is more of an individual and doesn't have the same temperament. Messi scores a hell of a lot, but he seems as happy to set them up too. He'd be scoring bucketloads in any league, he can beat players, finish from anywhere and looks up for every single game from start to finish. Lots of players have played for top teams with top players but not got anywhere near that level of goalscoring. Im not saying he isnt as good as people are saying Im saying Ronaldo is a better player then the credit given to him. Goalscoring is always a difficult one too, Beattie scored shed loads for us, but largely because of the way he plays and not because of any real ability, dont get me wrong he was ok but nothing special. Personally I just think all round, looking at the player and just the player Im more impressed by Ronaldos mark on a game then Messi, as with Messi its usually the peak of a brilliant Barca move, where as Ronaldo its often something born from his brilliance. This takes nothing away from Messi, and Im not going through any 'great lengths' Im just looking at two players, who are IMO the two best players ever, and saying overall I think Ronaldo is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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