Window Cleaner Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Mate of mine spoke to AL in a boozer in Christchurch, he said he expects to be out for 2 months. Certainly better than season ending, but still a lot of games to miss. If he were to be back say for mid february he'd have missed about 8 league games. Still don't doubt we have good options to replace him temporarily.
student Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Who takes over the armband? Im guessing Lambert/Fonte/Cork?
Window Cleaner Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Who takes over the armband? Im guessing Lambert/Fonte/Cork? Fonte then Morgan if it follows the order from last season.
Saint Garrett Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Fonte for captain. He's been fantastic last few months. Although it's not ideal losing Adam for a few months, there are quite a few games which are 'free hits' so to speak in that time. Hopefully he'll be back buzzing for the run in and our 'must win' games against teams around us.
Ashby Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 It's a planks game watched by plums. Give me soccerball any day over those commercialised American sports. LOL at you if you think our football isn't commercialised on a day when UEFA imposed a fine for racism less than the amount levied on a player for inappropriate sponsorship. At least NFL tries to get parity with a salary cap.
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 I had a long chat with Lee Holmes today - doing ok at Preston - and he had a similar injury here with us in his first season. He said he was rushed back after a little over 3 months but it was too soon and the injury quicklyflared up to rule him out for the rest of the season.
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 LOL at you if you think our football isn't commercialised on a day when UEFA imposed a fine for racism less than the amount levied on a player for inappropriate sponsorship. At least NFL tries to get parity with a salary cap. Soccerball? commercialised? What are you on about? It's a working class mans game FFS. If you love NFL so much I suggest you move to America and and much on burgers in your chinos and polo shirt tucked in you lemon. This post is sponsored by Logitek keyboards - keeping your finger on the button.
shirleysfc Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 I had a long chat with Lee Holmes today - doing ok at Preston - and he had a similar injury here with us in his first season. He said he was rushed back after a little over 3 months but it was too soon and the injury quicklyflared up to rule him out for the rest of the season. What exactly has Adam done? We've heard knee and ligaments but no specifics.
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 I had a long chat with Lee Holmes today - doing ok at Preston - and he had a similar injury here with us in his first season. He said he was rushed back after a little over 3 months but it was too soon and the injury quicklyflared up to rule him out for the rest of the season. I expect Lee Holmes has had a similar injury to 90% of players.
shirleysfc Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 I expect Lee Holmes has had a similar injury to 90% of players. Bad knee?
CB Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Medial ligament tear apparently. 8-12weeks.
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Medial ligament tear apparently. 8-12weeks. Well that's us f*cked then. We literally have no-one else who can play (adequately) at LM. Ramirez was out of sorts there, Rodriguez does OK defensively but bugger all going forwards, Fox isn't the answer and neither is Guly. Mayuka on the right and Puncheon on the left? I think not, no. We are a bit f*cked.
hypochondriac Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Well that's us f*cked then. We literally have no-one else who can play (adequately) at LM. Ramirez was out of sorts there, Rodriguez does OK defensively but bugger all going forwards, Fox isn't the answer and neither is Guly. Mayuka on the right and Puncheon on the left? I think not, no. We are a bit f*cked. Not long till January though.
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Not long till January though. Can't come soon enough. Whether Matt Phillips or whoever else we're looking at is good enough, we'll see. I remember all too well the struggles we had in the lower leagues when Lallana was unavailable. I can see it being a problem again. And it kind of shift our priorities somewhat, we now need to spend big in midfield as well as at the back and in goal.
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Itll be a shuffle round I expect, we probably will see Ramirez out there but maybe he will change things slightly, different formation ? It could be anyone TBH, Chambers has been getting good reviews, could be Davis, Guly ? J rod ? Until next saturday who knows ?
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Itll be a shuffle round I expect, we probably will see Ramirez out there but maybe he will change things slightly, different formation ? It could be anyone TBH, Chambers has been getting good reviews, could be Davis, Guly ? J rod ? Until next saturday who knows ? That would be an enormous waste of our most creative player. Judging by his display against Reading I don't think it would work.
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 That would be an enormous waste of our most creative player. Judging by his display against Reading I don't think it would work. Not saying we should, he occupies that no 10 position perfectly, but we just dont have that much out there to cover for Adam, I am pretty stuck TBH. I know what your saying, but we have tried J Rod out there already, Fox is a rediculous suggestion, Guly I dont think is as bad as everyone thinks but still not good enough really, mayuka is not really a wide man. That leavrs Davis, a youth product or Ramirez but given the freedom to roam like Adam was.
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 That's the problem. There really is no viable alternative. Given that I'd rather keep the rest of the team shape at its optimum and just make a change in one position. But it'll be JRod, for sure.
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Well that's us f*cked then. We literally have no-one else who can play (adequately) at LM. Ramirez was out of sorts there, Rodriguez does OK defensively but bugger all going forwards, Fox isn't the answer and neither is Guly. Mayuka on the right and Puncheon on the left? I think not, no. We are a bit f*cked. Chaplow? He seems to be the answer to most problem positions on here.
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Chaplow? He seems to be the answer to most problem positions on here. De Ridder can run really fast, he'll do. You and I both know the correct answer is really Jonno Quick though. What a great opportunity for the lad.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 I reckon he might bring S Davis or JWP in and play some variation of 4-3-3 with Ramirez, Lambert and Puncheon as the attacking 3.
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Posted 13 December, 2012 Chaplow? He seems to be the answer to most problem positions on here. Surprised he hasnt played in goal yet, but covering left back and centre back at the same time, Im not going to go as far as saying he could also cover CM too, thats just rediculous
.comsaint Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 On the bright side (re ; Lallana's injury) - there ends Newcastle's/Pardew's rumoured interest for this season! :-)
Turkish Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 De Ridder can run really fast, he'll do. You and I both know the correct answer is really Jonno Quick though. What a great opportunity for the lad. Last time we were in this situation his stepped up to the mark. He seems to thrive under the pressure of these situations.
Saint Charlie Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 Last time we were in this situation his stepped up to the mark. He seems to thrive under the pressure of these situations. He is a good exponent of T-CUP. Thats why NA loves the bones of him. Can't wait for the Northam to rejoice "Jonno Quick, Jonno Quick running down the wing..."
Saint Garrett Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 I'm sure it'll be this - J-Rod can do a job out there despite it not being his favourite position and it puts Gaston more central where he can affect the game the most. ----------Davis Clyne Fonte Yoshi Shaw -----Morgan-Cork------ Punch--Gaston--J-Rod --------Lambert---------
Turkish Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 I'm sure it'll be this - J-Rod can do a job out there despite it not being his favourite position and it puts Gaston more central where he can affect the game the most. ----------Davis Clyne Fonte Yoshi Shaw -----Morgan-Cork------ Punch--Gaston--J-Rod --------Lambert--------- I'd switch to 3-1-4-2 This would be my team -----------Davis ---Hoolveld Fonte Yoshida --------Seaborne Chaplow----Morgan---Cork----Forte ----------Ramirez----- ----------Lambert
Junior Mullet Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 I'd switch to 3-1-4-2 This would be my team -----------Davis ---Hoolveld Fonte Yoshida --------Seaborne Chaplow----Morgan---Cork----Forte ----------Ramirez----- ----------Lambert Wally. Made me smile though.
student Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 ---------------Davis--------------- Clyne--fonte-----yoshida---shaw -----------cork--morgan--------- Puncheon---davis-------ramirez --------------srl----------------
Saint Charlie Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 I'd switch to 3-1-4-2 This would be my team -----------Davis ---Hoolveld Fonte Yoshida --------Seaborne Chaplow----Morgan---Cork----Forte ----------Ramirez----- ----------Lambert That's not your idea mate. Derry suggested Seaborne as a defensive sweeper ages ago.
SB Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 That's not your idea mate. Derry suggested Seaborne as a defensive sweeper ages ago. Whoever suggested it, it's a **** idea, Seaborne is league one standard.
derry Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 That's not your idea mate. Derry suggested Seaborne as a defensive sweeper ages ago. No I didn't. Just to man mark scholes v MU on a one off basis as the only defender that was available. Just make it up as you go along.
Saint Charlie Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 (edited) No I didn't. Just to man mark scholes v MU on a one off basis as the only defender that was available. Just make it up as you go along. You advocated a defensive sweeper lots of times a month or so ago. Yoshida mentioned for the role as well. Part of a 5-2-3 formation I think. Edit: this was it, would have the worlds most open midfield! ------------------------------------Gazzaniga-------------------------------------- Clyne-----------------Yoshida----------------------------Hooiveld-------------Fox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------Ramirez--------------Lallana------------------------------ Mayuka-----------------------------Lambert-----------------------------Rodriguez http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?41052-Swansea-Build-up/page2 Edited 14 December, 2012 by Saint Charlie
Saint Garrett Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 You advocated a defensive sweeper lots of times a month or so ago. Yoshida mentioned for the role as well. Part of a 5-2-3 formation I think. Edit: this was it, would have the worlds most open midfield! ------------------------------------Gazzaniga-------------------------------------- Clyne-----------------Yoshida----------------------------Hooiveld-------------Fox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------Ramirez--------------Lallana------------------------------ Mayuka-----------------------------Lambert-----------------------------Rodriguez http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?41052-Swansea-Build-up/page2 Gets more ridiculous the more I look at it...!
derry Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 That's not your idea mate. Derry suggested Seaborne as a defensive sweeper ages ago. No I didn't. Just to man mark scholes v MU on a one off basis as the only defender that was available. Just make it up as you go along. You advocated a defensive sweeper lots of times a month or so ago. Yoshida mentioned for the role as well. Part of a 5-2-3 formation I think. Edit: this was it, would have the worlds most open midfield! ------------------------------------Gazzaniga-------------------------------------- Clyne-----------------Yoshida----------------------------Hooiveld-------------Fox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------Ramirez--------------Lallana------------------------------ Mayuka-----------------------------Lambert-----------------------------Rodriguez http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?41052-Swansea-Build-up/page2 Nothing to do with Seabourne. Just your usual load of b0llocks.
Saint Charlie Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 Gets more ridiculous the more I look at it...! One of the best formations I've seen. As he has said many times he is a qualified coach so I'm sure it would work really well.
Saint Charlie Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 Nothing to do with Seabourne. Just your usual load of b0llocks. Not Seaborne no. Just the idea of a defensive sweeper which is what Turkish referred to seaborne to do. You picked Fonte for it, which is certainly an improvement. Turkish was joking though, do you still genuinely think that formation would work in the Premier league with a midfield of Lallana and Ramirez?
benjii Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 Could go to more of a diamond, therefore removing the "left wing" dilemma altogether. This would involve Cork and Puncheon putting in a lot of work though to cover wide attacks and Rodriguez and Ramirez would also have to do a lot of pressing on the other team's defence (SRL certainly won't!). Personally, I think Puncheon is probably capable of playing that role and I actually think he's better centrally than Lallana as he has a better passing range and has a better shot: -------------------------GK------------------- Clyne-----------Fonte-----Yoshida---------Shaw ---------------------Spidermans--------------- --------------Cork----------Puncheon---------- ---------------------Ramirez------------------- --------------Rodriguez-----Lamberts-----------
Saint Garrett Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 Think the last thing we need to be doing is introducing another formation. We're just getting used to this one, and partnerships are starting to click....Clyne & Punch...Cork & Morgan...Fonte and Yoshi etc
Smirking_Saint Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 Could go to more of a diamond, therefore removing the "left wing" dilemma altogether. This would involve Cork and Puncheon putting in a lot of work though to cover wide attacks and Rodriguez and Ramirez would also have to do a lot of pressing on the other team's defence (SRL certainly won't!). Personally, I think Puncheon is probably capable of playing that role and I actually think he's better centrally than Lallana as he has a better passing range and has a better shot: -------------------------GK------------------- Clyne-----------Fonte-----Yoshida---------Shaw ---------------------Spidermans--------------- --------------Cork----------Puncheon---------- ---------------------Ramirez------------------- --------------Rodriguez-----Lamberts----------- Not the worst idea in the world, and certainly does allow Ramirez to have his role behind the front men, just to change it slightly, how about playing a 4222 with cork back in his familiar role with Morgs but Punch and Ramirez both operating behind a front two but allowing for more fluidity between the AMF and striker pairing ? For instance Lambert and Ramirez sort of fluid on the left and J Rod and Punch on the right ? Still, IMHO I dont think Adkins will drastically change anything, itll be 4231 and I expect itll be the side that finished against Reading.
svetigpung Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 Yer lets change the whole set up around cause one guy gets knee-knack. Plebs. Just a simple swatch för Lallana with whoever fits the bill best. Unfortunately most of us dont know cause we aint seen any others play any significant amount of games. We have plenty of wide midfielders in the squad. Time for at least one of them to step up into the role. Theyr'e getting paid so its time to deliver. My choice..would love to see Mayuka if were feeling confident. Chappers if were going to be up against it. Nigels choice..probably Guly.
david in sweden Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 once again !..there's only one Adam Lallana....but we have to learn to live without him ......for a while at least. BUT it's a chance to see if Tadanari Lee and Mayuka were really worth signing .....
Dig Dig Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 once again !..there's only one Adam Lallana....but we have to learn to live without him ......for a while at least. BUT it's a chance to see if Tadanari Lee and Mayuka were really worth signing ..... I doubt either will be considered as a replacement for AL. It will either be the team which played 2nd half against Reading or Guly will come in
The Kraken Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 I can't believe Jonno Quick gets disregarded out of hand. You lot know f*ck all.
Dig Dig Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 I can't believe Jonno Quick gets disregarded out of hand. You lot know f*ck all. He acts like a big time charlie IMO. Les Reed has talked him up as potentially being as good as Ronaldo, we all know he's got the physical attributes at least. Until Jonno starts applying himself in the right manner I doubt we'll ever see the pace, strength and ball control of Jonno again.
The Kraken Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 He acts like a big time charlie IMO. Les Reed has talked him up as potentially being as good as Ronaldo, we all know he's got the physical attributes at least. Until Jonno starts applying himself in the right manner I doubt we'll ever see the pace, strength and ball control of Jonno again. Poor man management if you don't know how to get the most out of your most talented players.
Red Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 We really have short memories on here! Only a month ago, a lot of people (including myself) said AL was very poor so far this year (and he was), and that he should be dropped for a while to see if he could sort himself and his form out. Admittedly he has been playing really well of late, and will be missed and of course no one wants to lose any player through injury, however, on the performance of all bar the last month, not sure he will be quite the unmitigated disaster that some would like us to believe! Who knows, it might even give someone else a chance to prove themselves – TL?? Anyway, get well soon AL!
The Kraken Posted 14 December, 2012 Posted 14 December, 2012 We really have short memories on here! Only a month ago, a lot of people (including myself) said AL was very poor so far this year (and he was), and that he should be dropped for a while to see if he could sort himself and his form out. Admittedly he has been playing really well of late, and will be missed and of course no one wants to lose any player through injury, however, on the performance of all bar the last month, not sure he will be quite the unmitigated disaster that some would like us to believe! Who knows, it might even give someone else a chance to prove themselves – TL?? Anyway, get well soon AL! Out of interest; in your bizarre effort to get Lallana dropped, who were you proposing should replace him?
melmacian_saint Posted 15 December, 2012 Posted 15 December, 2012 Apparently Stevie D played a reasonable amount of times for Rangers at LM. Expect him to start down there or maybe interchange with Ramirez?
david in sweden Posted 15 December, 2012 Posted 15 December, 2012 I doubt either will be considered as a replacement for AL. It will either be the team which played 2nd half against Reading or Guly will come in you maybe correct, but if we don't pick up sufficient points upto the New Year - expect to see them in action a bit .....
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