Barry Sanchez Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 (edited) Do you think we have got completely ripped off with our players? Rodriguez = £7 Million Mayuka = £3.5 Million approx Yoshida = £3 Million Gazzaniga = £3 Million Could we of done better? Did Nigel sign them? What can we expect in January, more pearlers? Edited 5 December, 2012 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 i thought the transfer window looked good..but I was blinded by the vast sums (in saints terms) that was spent by us.. Jrod is a complete waste of money thus far...we could have picked up someone for far less to do what he is doing.. mayuka look odd...and yosh..I will eat my own feet if he is any better than half of the defenders in the NPC ramirez is clearly a talent...clyne is very good IMO.....gazza has potential but should be no where near a prem first team. boruc has massive experience but not really had a chance..and no where near the crack at the first team as gazzaniga has had. davis is a good player to have in and around the first team IMO....considering he cost under £1m...a decent player to have around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 5 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2012 So a crap window then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 You've upped one or two of their prices there.... Wasn't Gazza 1m-2m (plus getting rid of Forecast) Thought Yoshida was only a little over 2m as well. Also forgetting Clyne for 2.5m is a bargain and Steven Davis at nothing or a bag of peanuts for Rangers to go away are both good business. Rodriguez we got mugged on though, not a 7m player, basically the champs Torres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 I was just thinking, if only we had a thread to discuss this. I can't believe there has been no discussion about our summer transfer activity to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Jrod is a complete waste of money thus far. If we didn't sign Rodriguez, what would be our options to play in the 4-2-3-1 system in Lambert's role if he was injured or suspended? Plus, Rodriguez is 7 years younger than Lambert and can be moulded into his long term replacement over the coming years. For £6m (some of which will be in clauses/delayed payment) I still think he is a good buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 5 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2012 I was just thinking, if only we had a thread to discuss this. I can't believe there has been no discussion about our summer transfer activity to date. Cool just love to be a go getting trendsetter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 funny you should say that torres comment pingwing rodriguez reminds me a bit of the nowadays torres , its the down on his confidence/scared look on his face and the way nothing ever seems to come off for him that gives me this feeling.if i see jrod coming off the bench or his name in the starting line up it doesnt exactly fill me with confidence. the other problem with jrod is he is blocking the far more impressive looking mayuka from getting games and sub appearences. this is a shame because i think mayuka can turn a game like he did at spurs i like the look of mayuka but if were not going to use him he too looks a waste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Pretty sure we have other threads that have discussed this in depth. A couple of points: 1. Some of the prices you quote seem higher than were reported 2. Bit silly to write of some players after 3 months - clearly they are also bought with the future in mind. 3. Not every new addition can be a starter 4. Sums of money are big but as a promoted team you are playing catch up - the established teams always add each summer so you probably need to do 3 summers worth of work in one. Did we have a perfect summer? No, clearly not. Was it horrendous? No, clearly not. Did we bring in some very good players? Yes. Did we make our biggest ever signing? Yes (two years ago it was Brian Stock and Brian Howard everyone wanted, we got Gaston Ramirez...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 J-Rod I can see why we spent the money. We were clearly courting him for a while and we need some backup/alternative for Rickie. Mayuka is 21 and a bit of a random one. Sure Gazza was about £1m. Ramirez was a lot but he's clearly worth it from what I've seen. Clyne for £2.5m is a steal as he's class. Davis for free/£500k is a pretty good deal whichever way you look at it as we needed someone who has played in the prem before and he's still not that old. Think it could have been better and understand other peoples view that we used money in places that we didnt necessarily need to. If we could have got a few players in cheaper to play up front, and spent more on a CB/LB then I think people would have been saying we couldnt have done much better, but thats just hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Pretty sure we have other threads that have discussed this in depth. A couple of points: 1. Some of the prices you quote seem higher than were reported 2. Bit silly to write of some players after 3 months - clearly they are also bought with the future in mind. 3. Not every new addition can be a starter 4. Sums of money are big but as a promoted team you are playing catch up - the established teams always add each summer so you probably need to do 3 summers worth of work in one. Did we have a perfect summer? No, clearly not. Was it horrendous? No, clearly not. Did we bring in some very good players? Yes. Did we make our biggest ever signing? Yes (two years ago it was Brian Stock and Brian Howard everyone wanted, we got Gaston Ramirez...) j-rod is the 2nd most expensive player in our history... to do that fo put him on the bench and play back up...we could have got much more value for our money..no question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 (edited) j-rod is the 2nd most expensive player in our history... to do that fo put him on the bench and play back up...we could have got much more value for our money..no question Yes, maybe now. But clearly we are also planning for the future and feel he will be a quality player. As someone said, if tomorrow Adkins says that RL is out for the rest of the season then JR suddenly becomes very important. Similar re Mayuka, he is 21 and learning English football. Time will tell how good he is, but just because he hasnt really figured yet, it doesnt mean he is rubbish. Not every signing will have the impact of a Michu. Van Persie cost Arsenal 3.5m and barely figured for ages before showing how good he is. Not saying Mayuka is the same, but not every signing will go straight into the team and be a huge success from day 1. I would rather have Mayuka/JR on the bench than a 30 year old Mercenary European player who has been round the block. Edited 5 December, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 5 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2012 http://www.betinf.com/england_transfer.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Yes, maybe now. But clearly we are also planning for the future and feel he will be a quality player. As someone said, if tomorrow Adkins says that RL is out for the rest of the season then JR suddenly becomes very important. well, at the moment, he is going down the conner wickham scale of transfers.....lets hope he turns it round be honest..if any of our rivals spent £7m on him...and we noticed he scored 1 league goal..play pretty average most games when he comes on from the bench...we would laugh at the money wasted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 5 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Yes, maybe now. But clearly we are also planning for the future and feel he will be a quality player. As someone said, if tomorrow Adkins says that RL is out for the rest of the season then JR suddenly becomes very important. Thats comparing the deputy prime minister to Jay Rodriguez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 well, at the moment, he is going down the conner wickham scale of transfers.....lets hope he turns it round be honest..if any of our rivals spent £7m on him...and we noticed he scored 1 league goal..play pretty average most games when he comes on from the bench...we would laugh at the money wasted... Pogrebnyak is on 60k at reading and can't get in their team. For msot of the Prem a 6m fee doesn't guarentee a starting place. We are playing 1 up front and Lambert is the 1 at the moment - seems fair enough. Would have foolish to have no back up to RL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 http://www.betinf.com/england_transfer.htm wow some serious sums there, albeit in Euros. Pity the manager doesn't know what to do with them then, he's like the old lady who lived in the shoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Judge Rodriguez when he has played 10 games up front with Gaston playing off him. So far he has played arguably once like that vs Everton away but he was out wide then really. Never has he played in the 4-4-1-1 system as the one up front with Gaston playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Judge Rodriguez when he has played 10 games up front with Gaston playing off him. So far he has played arguably once like that vs Everton away but he was out wide then really. Never has he played in the 4-4-1-1 system as the one up front with Gaston playing. you cant judge a player with a single player next to him I would hope, the 2nd most expensive player in our 125 year history could play a bit without a 21 year old talent behind him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Hardly anyone walks away with the perfect transfer window under their belt, certainly not us. Any issue I have is not with individual players but with the lopsided approach to strengthening in attack whilst taking too many risks with our defensive positions. Ultimately he have a squad able to compete at this level which is all we would have hoped for at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 you cant judge a player with a single player next to him I would hope, the 2nd most expensive player in our 125 year history could play a bit without a 21 year old talent behind him.... I knew you wouldn't agree, but I will let JR show what he can do in our first team (rather than reserves Capital One Cup team) and in his favoured position ie up front. If you want to write him off then I don't really care. Until now in the league he hasnt played in our favoured system in his favoured position part from away to WH where he did quite well, and Ramirez wasn't playing then (and we all know he is a big part of our attacking play). Oh, and Gaston is 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 I knew you wouldn't agree, but I will let JR show what he can do in our first team (rather than reserves Capital One Cup team) and in his favoured position ie up front. If you want to write him off then I don't really care. Until now in the league he hasnt played in our favoured system in his favoured position part from away to WH where he did quite well, and Ramirez wasn't playing then (and we all know he is a big part of our attacking play). I am not writing him off...just saying SO FAR...he is here as a back up player...if that is the case..then a huge over spend for such a role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 5 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2012 I dont think we have assembled a team anywhere near competing at this level, how many games have we be consistantly competitive for the whole 90 mins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 I dont think we have assembled a team anywhere near competing at this level, how many games have we be consistantly competitive for the whole 90 mins? Surely if this was the case we would be bottom on zero points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 I am not writing him off...just saying SO FAR...he is here as a back up player...if that is the case..then a huge over spend for such a role I knwo what you mean, but if RL got injured tomorrow and was out for the season then he would be a first choice, and expected to get the goals we need to stay up. If we had a 500k League 2 rookie to come in instead then the transfer policy would be criticised the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 I dont think we have assembled a team anywhere near competing at this level, how many games have we be consistantly competitive for the whole 90 mins? So if we come to January and we are sat in midtable? Will you still consider us not competitive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 I knwo what you mean, but if RL got injured tomorrow and was out for the season then he would be a first choice, and expected to get the goals we need to stay up. If we had a 500k League 2 rookie to come in instead then the transfer policy would be criticised the same! but the strikers we had...were/are not league 2 strikers before he came...mayuka is not either....not sure that our 2nd most expensive player ever should have been bought to sit on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 (edited) Surely if this was the case we would be bottom on zero points? And we clearly have been competitive. In the games so far only really Arsenal, WBA and Liverpool away have we been considerably outplayed for the whole game. Also Barry Sanchez - on your OP you said did Adkins sign the players? The answer (as we all know and have debated many times) is no - the transfer committee buys them, Adkins is a part of that. Plus you conviently missed out Ramirez, Clyne, Davis etc and inflated the cost of Yoshida and Gazza...trying to be negative? Edited 5 December, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Bit different anyway, transfer fees have rocketed since we were last in the Premiership. Championship sides spend £4/5m on one player these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Bit different anyway, transfer fees have rocketed since we were last in the Premiership. Championship sides spend £4/5m on one player these days. demba ba will cost someone the price of rodriguez..... that is how over valued he is to a club like us..... (i know wages will be different) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 demba ba will cost someone the price of rodriguez..... that is how over valued he is to a club like us..... (i know wages will be different) Because of a clause in his contract! Hardly the same. If that didnt exists then Newcastle wouldnt sell for less than £15m. Look at the cost of Jarvis or Fletcher for a better idea of the going rate, both more proven than JR, and both cost more coming from CCC clubs. If Charlie Austin leaves Burnley it will be for 4-5m, and his allround game is nowhere near good enough for the Prem. Rhodes cost more than JR and he only had scored in League One! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Wow writing of half our signings before then even had six months to settle let alone even a full season! The prices are up for debate perhaps but I would say Rodriguez has shown plenty of potential that he will one day be able to lead the line for us (mostly he's done this in a Burnley shirt but form temporary class permanent as the old saying goes!) and it is an established fact you will pay over the odds for young english talent. Yosh has looked hit and miss for sure but, in another six months when he's settled in, learnt the language, caught up to speed with the english game and maybe even bulked up a bit then he has enough about him for me to think he might well come good. If not he's a capable back up and two million doesnt buy you much these days! Mayuka again plenty of potential. Won young player of the tournament at the African nations, has looked promising off the bench in a number of games, has pace (something a lot of our frontline lack) and again the money paid was not massive by any stretch of the imagination. Gazzaniga ok he has had a good few howlers but he's young and learning. Perhaps we should have broke the bank for a top class experienced keeper but, imho, there was a degree of faith in KD to step up and he deserved his shot. He was GK of the year in both the NPC and league one! If, in five years time, Gazzaniga is not a class keeper then we cut our losses and move on. He was a bargain for the potential he may well have. If he doesnt fulfill it I wont cry about it. I think we ALL know our transfer window wasn't perfect. We missed out on targets clearly the promised lb and cb but let's not make scapegoats of those we did get in. They all may come good. I'd hasten to add a little perspective, when we signed a certain James Beattie he certainly didn't create immediate fireworks but went on to be not only a vital player for us he would later achieve a significant transfer fee. Something important if we are to ever become sort of sustainable. (sorry for the total rant but come on, have some faith, we've come this far!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 But it's absolutely ridiculous comparing him to one player. Yes Demba is a better player than J-Rod, and what ?! Andy Carroll cost £35m, Torres cost £50m, Jordan Rhodes cost £10m and he'd only ever done well in L1. You can compare it with whoever you want to whatever situation you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 But it's absolutely ridiculous comparing him to one player. Yes Demba is a better player than J-Rod, and what ?! Andy Carroll cost £35m, Torres cost £50m, Jordan Rhodes cost £10m and he'd only ever done well in L1. You can compare it with whoever you want to whatever situation you want. you are right..but for saints..to have made him our 2nd most expensive player ever and sit him on the bench every week is daft.. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 you are right..but for saints..to have made him our 2nd most expensive player ever and sit him on the bench every week is daft.. IMO The other consideration here is that our record signing until Rodriguez was only 4M, which is ridiculous for a club like us in 2012. Football has moved on massively over the years and our circumstances meant that most of our signings were either close to breaking or broke our previous records. Had our record signing been 2M and we bought a striker for 3M, we wouldn't expect them to start each week just on this basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 The other consideration here is that our record signing until Rodriguez was only 4M, which is ridiculous for a club like us in 2012. Football has moved on massively over the years and our circumstances meant that most of our signings were either close to breaking or broke our previous records. Had our record signing been 2M and we bought a striker for 3M, we wouldn't expect them to start each week just on this basis. ok...for a brand new promoted club, to spend £7m for a bench player...IMO is daft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 The other consideration here is that our record signing until Rodriguez was only 4M, which is ridiculous for a club like us in 2012. Football has moved on massively over the years and our circumstances meant that most of our signings were either close to breaking or broke our previous records. Had our record signing been 2M and we bought a striker for 3M, we wouldn't expect them to start each week just on this basis. Delldays would! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 ok...for a brand new promoted club, to spend £7m for a bench player...IMO is daft It was 6m, plus he has started some games - we have a player even more expensive than him who has taken his place for now - but if RL gets injured he is our first backup. Again - if we hadn't brough him in then would we rather have Sharp or Lee as our backup to RL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 ok...for a brand new promoted club, to spend £7m for a bench player...IMO is daft Why is it ? We had a L1/Champ squad last year, we needed to improve the whole squad not just the first 11. We play one up front? So you're saying we should just forget about Lambert because he cost £1m and play J-Rod every week because he cost £6m?! Not at all, we have to decide who gives us more on an individual game basis. J-Rod has huge potential, but at the moment he isn't as effective as Rickie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 all fair points...lets see at the end of the season if he has been much cop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Why is it ? We had a L1/Champ squad last year, we needed to improve the whole squad not just the first 11. We play one up front? So you're saying we should just forget about Lambert because he cost £1m and play J-Rod every week because he cost £6m?! Not at all, we have to decide who gives us more on an individual game basis. J-Rod has huge potential, but at the moment he isn't as effective as Rickie. Pretty sure that the 6-7M touted will include performance based clauses so if he doesn't do the business for us then it wouldn't be 6-7M wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Pretty sure that the 6-7M touted will include performance based clauses so if he doesn't do the business for us then it wouldn't be 6-7M wasted. why, we were desperate to sign him, I can see us as having dobbed the 7.5 million already, cos lets face it Burnley probably knew he wasn't going to get many appearances, laughing all the way to the bank. We play hardball on sales, we can expect the same in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 all fair points...lets see at the end of the season if he has been much cop Indeed. But in the meantime you will whinge and squinny every day for the next 5 months. Which is, of course, your right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Indeed. But in the meantime you will whinge and squinny every day for the next 5 months. Which is, of course, your right. where have I done that about him..? why have you made that up..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 why, we were desperate to sign him, I can see us as having dobbed the 7.5 million already, cos lets face it Burnley probably knew he wasn't going to get many appearances, laughing all the way to the bank. We play hardball on sales, we can expect the same in return. Performance based clauses are the norm Windows, not sure how you can speculate that we deviated from our hardball approach on the basis we were so desperate for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 i thought the transfer window looked good..but I was blinded by the vast sums (in saints terms) that was spent by us.. Jrod is a complete waste of money thus far...we could have picked up someone for far less to do what he is doing.. mayuka look odd...and yosh..I will eat my own feet if he is any better than half of the defenders in the NPC ramirez is clearly a talent...clyne is very good IMO.....gazza has potential but should be no where near a prem first team. boruc has massive experience but not really had a chance..and no where near the crack at the first team as gazzaniga has had. davis is a good player to have in and around the first team IMO....considering he cost under £1m...a decent player to have around j-rod is the 2nd most expensive player in our history... to do that fo put him on the bench and play back up...we could have got much more value for our money..no question well, at the moment, he is going down the conner wickham scale of transfers.....lets hope he turns it round be honest..if any of our rivals spent £7m on him...and we noticed he scored 1 league goal..play pretty average most games when he comes on from the bench...we would laugh at the money wasted... you cant judge a player with a single player next to him I would hope, the 2nd most expensive player in our 125 year history could play a bit without a 21 year old talent behind him.... I am not writing him off...just saying SO FAR...he is here as a back up player...if that is the case..then a huge over spend for such a role but the strikers we had...were/are not league 2 strikers before he came...mayuka is not either....not sure that our 2nd most expensive player ever should have been bought to sit on the bench demba ba will cost someone the price of rodriguez..... that is how over valued he is to a club like us..... (i know wages will be different) you are right..but for saints..to have made him our 2nd most expensive player ever and sit him on the bench every week is daft.. IMO ok...for a brand new promoted club, to spend £7m for a bench player...IMO is daft Just on this thread alone. God knows how many other quotes exist on other threads saying exactly the same. where have I done that about him..? why have you made that up..? I dont think I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Just on this thread alone. God knows how many other quotes exist on other threads saying exactly the same. I dont think I have.that was today....in the last hour.. thanks though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 j-rod is the 2nd most expensive player in our history... to do that fo put him on the bench and play back up...we could have got much more value for our money..no question Lets just hold fire a little on this one, if you saw him last year in the champ its clear the lad has ability, its not helped playing him wide left and wide right, the few times he has played up top he has looked ok. 7mik although expensive is about right for an up and coming striker, Rhodes cost 6 from league 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Mayuka, Yoshida and Gazzaniga have all gone up by half a million from when we first actually signed them. Amazing how that happens. Heard it reported on MOTD a while back that Gaston was signed for £15million as well, rather than £12million. Why does this always seem to happen? People just love chucking an extra 0 on peoples transfer fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Lets just hold fire a little on this one, if you saw him last year in the champ its clear the lad has ability, its not helped playing him wide left and wide right, the few times he has played up top he has looked ok. 7mik although expensive is about right for an up and coming striker, Rhodes cost 6 from league 1. Connor Wickham was £9million for christ sake. We got a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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