pimpin4rizeal Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 adams value is determined by the club, hes worth what we would let him go for and since hes a real key player for us and probably on a par with ramirez for being important to the team. id say it would take more then 15m to temp us to sell. as far as i can see we dont need the money, adams happy and we are happy with him so if you want him ure gonna have to pay well over the odds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Will it? Do you know that for a fact? Do you have it from the horse's mouth that despite staying with us in the lower divisions, that Lallana will be off if we're relegated from the Premiership? His value, if we decide to sell, if he wants to leave, will be determined by how many clubs will be after him and what they are prepared to pay for him. As far as I'm aware, we do not need the money. That is speculative bull**** though, no one knows our position if we went down. However I would suggest we would lose our better players, common sense dictates this opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 That is speculative bull**** though, no one knows our position if we went down. However I would suggest we would lose our better players, common sense dictates this opinion. Depends on a lot of things (many of which we don't know), but Newcastle were able to keep a lot of good players when they went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 Depends on a lot of things (many of which we don't know), but Newcastle were able to keep a lot of good players when they went down. that is true....depends on how much lallana would want to stay and if we would maintain his wages...for at least 1 season anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 yeah..going down always strengthens the relegated club when selling players.. jesus christ if we dont need money...why did we take out a loan then....? So you dispute that the value of a player increases if several clubs might be after him? You reckon that it will always go down if a club is relegated? I don't know exactly why we took out the loan. Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 You would have to say if we can keep most of our players then we would have an excellent championship side. Clyne, Shaw, lallana, Lambert, Cork, Schniderlin, Rodriguez would all be top championship players. Even Fonte and Yoshida as well as hopefully Billy Sharp coming back. You never know keep it together and come back up a better side. Ramirez will probably leave though and no Les i dont know this for a fact or can prove he can, you'd assume that a player of his ability would be snapped up if we went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 So you dispute that the value of a player increases if several clubs might be after him? You reckon that it will always go down if a club is relegated? I don't know exactly why we took out the loan. Do you? im not going to get into a tit-for-tat....lets just leave it there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 (edited) No but facts do, and I have to repeat myself because you can't take well reasoned points, especially as you have already changed your point during the thread. He's played 9 games out of West Ham's 15 during which he has contributed 1 goal and zero assists. His Wolves team were relegated last year. Lallana has two goals and 4 assists (equalling Jarvis's total assists last season) in a worse team, he's up there with the likes of Mata in creation stats and he's been talked up in the media. Lallana has also played in a team that just plays attacking football, this is apparant by the goals scored vs goals against stat, still I stick to the point that jarvis has played much more football at the top level, successfully, Adam is only just here, and has hardly been consistant either. Not really, footballers have a short shelf life, most players will have stopped developing by the age of 26 and should be close to their peak, especially attackers. Straight from the school of FM, because the likes of Berbatov, Drogba and shearer were all terrible players into their late 20s, still are we really picking over 2 years ? Real life clubs dont care so much about that, both players are in their mid 20s, Lallana isnt going to improve considerably, certainly not exponentially more than Jarvis Lallana for me has improved this year on last year, in fact he's improved since the start of the season, has Jarvis improved since his England call? I dont know, I dont watch him closely enough to see improvements, the fact that he went begrudgingly for 11 mil leads me to believe he probably has yes. Maybe because Lallana was you know called up a few months ago, and Jarvis hasn't been for ages. It's usually a good indicator looking at the England squad to find out who's being considered for the England squad. Well done for you know, missing my point here but you know I cant blame you for that one. My point still stands, neither player made the last friendly, so we dont actually know who could be in the next one. Giggs is still playing premiership football he's hardly at the high point of his career though. Lallana was playing championship football last year and league one football the year before and is now knocking on the door of the England squad and getting good reviews in the press. Over the same time period Jarvis has gone from getting an England cap to getting relegated. And so what ? Jarvis is currently playing gor a team at the top half of the table in the prem, Lallana the bottom half, its the highest point in Adams career yeah, but Jarvis has surpassed this as he has actually played for England aswell which makes this point quite redundant. Your odd opinions, Lallana doesn't have 'no pace' and he can clearly cross, with both feet as well, Lallana also plays in far more positions than Jarvis, so how is he rigid? They are different types of players and as a versatile foward player rather than a traditonal winger I would say that Lallana would more likely fit into more squads in the league. Lallana isnt really a versatile forward though is he ? I sort of dont really know where he could play, AMF through the middle ? Inside forward ? He hasnt got the pace to be a real wide man. Not many clubs play an attacking midfielder, most have wingers. Why post then? ironic calling what I said waffle looking at what you posted. Not really that ironic really was it ? Maybe we will see at the end of the year whether adam is still in the prem or relegated and still putting in decent performances, he has been a little inconsistant of late. Edited 5 December, 2012 by Smirking_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 5 December, 2012 Share Posted 5 December, 2012 That is speculative bull**** though, no one knows our position if we went down. However I would suggest we would lose our better players, common sense dictates this opinion. Exactly as you say. It is all speculative bullsh*t, opinions on both sides. We were discussing Lallana, not other players. Whether he would go if we were relegated is not a certainty as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 I was really at a loss to decide if the author of the Mirror article was sane on the day he wrote it, or if there was another explanation. As I have my doubts that AP tipped the Mirror that he was going to bid £5 million for Adam (and expect us to throw ourselves at his feet in gratitude and admiration) it now seems to me the likely scenario is that the nameless journo' in question was taken off the paper's dept. that deals with the sale of second hand vehicles..as he clearly doesn't understand the difference in valuation between a Mini ...and a Rolls Royce. The Mirror has become a laughing stock (at least in our part of the world) for this ridiculous item, and the person concerned may find themselves back trying to sell a 23 year old Mini..instead, and not Adam L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 doesnt Nixon work for the mirror..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 doesnt Nixon work for the mirror..? Yes - they have lots of writers. He is freelance. All his pieces are written with his name attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 I wouldn't consider Newcastle much of a step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 I wouldn't consider Newcastle much of a step up. depends on the next couple of games, win both we've a chance, lose either and it's the NPC for us likely as not. Newcastle are a good side when they're all fit, rare though it is; Can't see what they'd want with AL though, they have enough going forward when Ben Arfa and Cabaye are fit. Wouldn't think AL would be Newcastle's number 1 target at Saints anyway, were they to have a number 1 target that is. Seen them linked with a shedload of players elsewhere though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 Key words in the thread title are the last 2 words: "Daily Mirror" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 Key words in the thread title are the last 2 words: "Daily Mirror" As has been said. Alan Nixon writes for the Daily Mirror; he was spot on with every transfer that Saints made this summer, ahead of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 As has been said. Alan Nixon writes for the Daily Mirror; he was spot on with every transfer that Saints made this summer, ahead of time. Apart from when he said he we didn't know what centre back we wanted the week before the window shut, then he was a clueless **** who would have no idea what was going on at our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 Apart from when he said he we didn't know what centre back we wanted the week before the window shut, then he was a clueless **** who would have no idea what was going on at our club. I'm consistently humoured by the mongboard etiquette of denigrating newspapers and their journalists when the story doesn't sit well, and talking the article up to the hilt when it exudes positivity. Probably my anti-Saints agenda at work, I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 I'm consistently humoured by the mongboard etiquette of denigrating newspapers and their journalists when the story doesn't sit well, and talking the article up to the hilt when it exudes positivity. Probably my anti-Saints agenda at work, I reckon. This does always make me laugh, you cant use an arguement one way and not the other, at least I dont change my agenda, unlike some on there. Precious little flowers Nixon was spot on with pretty much everything he said this summer, and I look forward to following his timeline again in Jan. makes me laugh on Twitter aswell how much stick he gets when he breaks a story one of their favourite players are leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 I will add that lallana should leave he has an ambition of being a top English player and getting into England squads Premier league and the better teams is where it is at unfortunately If we go down that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 I will add that lallana should leave he has an ambition of being a top English player and getting into England squads Premier league and the better teams is where it is at unfortunately If we go down that is Did he not recently get in to the England squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 Did he not recently get in to the England squad? Yeah. But never got on the pitch. I'm talking about should we go down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 Heres a question who would you rather leave at the moment Lallana or ramerez? for me it's ramerez the guy has flashes of talent but they never seem to lead to anything whereas Lallana is a fundemental part of the team when Lallana plays well it passes through the whole team and we look lost without him I know he makes his fair share of mistakes too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 December, 2012 Share Posted 6 December, 2012 If we were guaranteed to keep them ? Lallana, stupid question, Ramirez has real talent, not saying Lallana is poor at all, but Gaston is a level above everyone else at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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