Newcastle target Lallana rumour in Daily Mirror

[Smirking_Saint]

was it not categorically stated on this very forum that he "loves it here and wouldn't mind staying even if we're in the NPC" :smug:

 

Anyway those of you who have suffered my rantings for many years will know that I'm not Lallana's biggest fan, not good enough in front of goal for a top class attacking player.

 

I like him but he so often makes the wrong decision, and like you said earlier he doesnt strike me as a wide man, or a CM

 

He is a bit of a luxury tbh, technically he is very good, great feet, good self awareness but doesnt seem to always be fully aware of his options, he also hasnt got the best cross or shot either.

 

I wouldnt say we could do without him at all, he plays well in a saints shirt and loves the club, sometimes I find myself wanting more from him

[Turkish]

I like him but he so often makes the wrong decision, and like you said earlier he doesnt strike me as a wide man, or a CM

 

He is a bit of a luxury tbh, technically he is very good, great feet, good self awareness but doesnt seem to always be fully aware of his options, he also hasnt got the best cross or shot either.

 

I wouldnt say we could do without him at all, he plays well in a saints shirt and loves the club, sometimes I find myself wanting more from him

 

He also doesnt seem to strike the ball very cleany in front of goal. often seems to scuff his shot rather than hit it cleanly. He's good and i like seeing him play for Saints but he's not a top 6 club player and he's a bit like Joe Cole in that you couldn't really say what his best position was. still he's our captain, might get in the England squad one day and not been ijured for a while so must be worth at least £15m.

[tajjuk]

So actually the value between a premier league Jarvis and the premier league Lallana isn't that different, you say so yourself. Thanks for proving my point and rendering all your ramblings have been utter pointless.

 

 

As usual you miss the point.

 

You really are a moron.

[Turkish]

As usual you miss the point.

 

You really are a moron.

 

Have I? Or is it you? you were arguing the toss that Lallana is worth more and coming up with all these reasons and patronsiing comments to me as to why this was the case. that he didnt want to leave. that he's a premier league player. that he's younger. that he's recently had an England call up. That he's important to us. Then go onto say that you personally remember Jarvis was linked with a £15m move when he was a premier league player at wolves, which by an amazing coincidence was exactly the same figure that a lot on here claimed Lallana is worth. So like for like, their values aren't that disimilar. which was EXACTLY my point, something you proved yourself.

[CaneNero]

Lallana will not leave in January, he will leave eventually, but not this season. He's a top lad wouldn't do that to us mid-season, I think he knows that if all fails and we get relegated that he will get picked up by another team.

[Smirking_Saint]

As usual you miss the point.

 

You really are a moron.

 

What exactly is your point then ??

 

Cos I cant see it myself

[Smirking_Saint]

He also doesnt seem to strike the ball very cleany in front of goal. often seems to scuff his shot rather than hit it cleanly. He's good and i like seeing him play for Saints but he's not a top 6 club player and he's a bit like Joe Cole in that you couldn't really say what his best position was. still he's our captain, might get in the England squad one day and not been ijured for a while so must be worth at least £15m.

 

Yeah thats sorta my point, I didnt really say it but yeah, he isnt a winger or really a wide man, he currently hasnt got the attributes for a cm and ramirez plays in what is probably his best position. The joe cole analogy is a good one

[Turkish]

Yeah thats sorta my point, I didnt really say it but yeah, he isnt a winger or really a wide man, he currently hasnt got the attributes for a cm and ramirez plays in what is probably his best position. The joe cole analogy is a good one

 

Could see him working in a 4-3-2-1 Lambert up top with him and Ramirez behind with licence to roam and then cork, Davis and MS behind them, like you say he isnt a wide player or a central midfielder.

[tajjuk]

which by an amazing coincidence was exactly the same figure that a lot on here claimed Lallana is worth.

 

 

Oh so you think he's worth £15 million now?, cos at the start of the thread you were having a go at Appy for saying "treble it" -

 

Yes, Very lazy and arrogant.

and then you said -

 

I dont think he's better and Lallana is worth more than £5, i find it ammusing all those desperate to protect their heroes. Oh but he's out captain, oh but hes younger, Jarvis is injured blah blah blah. No one's really come up with any reasons as to why Lallana is worth nearly £5m more than Jarvis other than because this forum says so.

 

Yet now because I said Jarvis was touted around to Liverpool at about £15 millionwhilst in the premiership and coincidentally the same age as Lallana at the time, had just been in the England squad I've suddenly proved your point? erm ...........

 

" No one's really come up with any reasons as to why Lallana is worth nearly £5m more than Jarvis other than because this forum says so."

 

and then -

 

Have I? Or is it you? you were arguing the toss that Lallana is worth more and coming up with all these reasons and patronsiing comments to me as to why this was the case. that he didnt want to leave. that he's a premier league player. that he's younger. that he's recently had an England call up. That he's important to us. Then go onto say that you personally remember Jarvis was linked with a £15m move when he was a premier league player at wolves, which by an amazing coincidence was exactly the same figure that a lot on here claimed Lallana is worth. So like for like, their values aren't that disimilar. which was EXACTLY my point, something you proved yourself.

:lol:

 

 

At the start of the thread he wasn't worth £15 million and now suddenly you have changed your tune.

 

Also I never claimed he was worth £15 million or valued at £15 million, I just said his value to Saints is high and due to the various factors I outlined his sale transfer fee would be a lot higher than Jarvis's.

 

and as far as I can see no one said he was 'worth £15 million', a few said that would be the minimum, i.e the starting point to even think about selling him.

 

Lazy from you though to be fair, I didn't say I thought he was worth 15 million, I just think in the current climate and with our chairman's hard bargaining we wouldn't sell for less than 15 million.

 

 

15 million MINIMUM if in January in the middle of such an important season, and i couldn't give a **** what Jarvis is worth

 

Yep, good points.

 

For the bit in bold: I suspect it would only be a Saints relegation, or offer from a top club that would do so. I don't see Lallana as good enough for a top 4 or 5 club, so relegation is probably the biggest factor. Selling him in January wouldn't make much sense IMO, even for an inflated fee like £15M.

 

Next.

[Turkish]

Oh so you think he's worth £15 million now?, cos at the start of the thread you were having a go at Appy for saying "treble it" -

 

and then you said -

 

 

 

Yet now because I said Jarvis was touted around to Liverpool at about £15 millionwhilst in the premiership and coincidentally the same age as Lallana at the time, had just been in the England squad I've suddenly proved your point? erm ...........

 

" No one's really come up with any reasons as to why Lallana is worth nearly £5m more than Jarvis other than because this forum says so."

 

and then -

 

:lol:

 

 

At the start of the thread he wasn't worth £15 million and now suddenly you have changed your tune.

 

Also I never claimed he was worth £15 million or valued at £15 million, I just said his value to Saints is high and due to the various factors I outlined his sale transfer fee would be a lot higher than Jarvis's.

 

and as far as I can see no one said he was 'worth £15 million', a few said that would be the minimum, i.e the starting point to even think about selling him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Next.

 

i think you're confusing yourself sunshine. I clearly asked people to come up with reasons as to why lallana is worth more than Jarvis, the "treble" NEwcastles bid. You then came up with this whole host of reasons as to why he is worth more, then render your arguement pointless as you remember yourself Jarvis being linked with moves for exactly the same fee that NEwcastle trebling their bid would be. I've never claimed he was worth £15m or what Jarvis is worth, simply said that no one can justify why Lallana should be worth so much more. No amount of multi quoting by you is going to change that.

[Steeleye Saint]

Oh dear Mr Wrong, some glaring errors and overlooking a number of FACTS

 

 

Jarvis has an England cap, Lallana doesnt, he is proven in the premier league, Lallana isn't yet. 14 games is not a proven premier league player. So as Jarvis is two years old that makes him in his prime, so worth more. Dean Hammond was our captain last season, what happened to him?

As for your WRONG comment about contracts Jarvis contract at Wolves expired in 2015, the same year as Lallanas so he actually had MORE time left on his contract when he left that Lallana does now. Come on Matthew, i thought you'd know all these details. Oh and by the way your opinion is irrelevant as to his ability, this is the real world, not football manager.

 

Oh dear Turkish - I'm all for bringing younger players in but isn't he just a bit too young, even for us?

[tajjuk]

i think you're confusing yourself sunshine. I clearly asked people to come up with reasons as to why lallana is worth more than Jarvis, the "treble" NEwcastles bid. You then came up with this whole host of reasons as to why he is worth more, then render your arguement pointless as you remember yourself Jarvis being linked with moves for exactly the same fee that NEwcastle trebling their bid would be. I've never claimed he was worth £15m or what Jarvis is worth, simply said that no one can justify why Lallana should be worth so much more. No amount of multi quoting by you is going to change that.

 

Treble Newcastle's bid is £15 million. 3 times £5 million. Thought I would lay that out at the start to make it easier for you.

 

"I clearly asked people to come up with reasons as to why lallana is worth more than Jarvis, the "treble" NEwcastles bid."

 

So you asked people to justify why Lallana is worth £15 million, which is more than Jarvis went for THIS YEAR, that being his £7.5 million with add ons up to £10.75 million pound transfer to West Ham on the 24th August 2012.

 

£15 million is more than £10.75 last time I checked.

 

So I justified the £15 million which is more than Jarvis went for, the £15 million touted for Jarvis 2 years ago when in the premiership just backs my argument up further.

 

If club's offered for Jarvis at £15 million when he was 24, whilst in the Premiership, just after an England cap, whilst he had a long contract and wanted to stay, then 2 years later he gets sold for 50% less as he is older, wanted to leave and was in the Championship. Then that very much proves that Lallana, who is in a very similar situation as Jarvis was in 2010 would be worth £15 million wouldn't it.

 

Get it now.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Tajjuk in confused ramblings shock.

[The Kraken]

Tajjuk in confused ramblings shock.

He really is all over the place in this thread.

[Turkish]

Treble Newcastle's bid is £15 million. 3 times £5 million. Thought I would lay that out at the start to make it easier for you.

 

"I clearly asked people to come up with reasons as to why lallana is worth more than Jarvis, the "treble" NEwcastles bid."

 

So you asked people to justify why Lallana is worth £15 million, which is more than Jarvis went for THIS YEAR, that being his £7.5 million with add ons up to £10.75 million pound transfer to West Ham on the 24th August 2012.

 

£15 million is more than £10.75 last time I checked.

 

So I justified the £15 million which is more than Jarvis went for, the £15 million touted for Jarvis 2 years ago when in the premiership just backs my argument up further.

 

If club's offered for Jarvis at £15 million when he was 24, whilst in the Premiership, just after an England cap, whilst he had a long contract and wanted to stay, then 2 years later he gets sold for 50% less as he is older, wanted to leave and was in the Championship. Then that very much proves that Lallana, who is in a very similar situation as Jarvis was in 2010 would be worth £15 million wouldn't it.

 

Get it now.

 

Once again you're struggling i see. I asked people to explain why Lallana is worth so much more than Jarvis, who cost £10.75m, you were at pains to stress all the reasons why Lallana is better and worth more. Then you say yourself that as a premier league player he was linked with moves for £15m, hang on a minute, *fag packet maths* 3 x £5m, oh that's right, it's £15m! So actaully as premier league players their values aren't that disimliar are they. Has it dropped yet? Or are you going to ramble on about being younger, called for england once, something about not being injured this season again?

[Wes Tender]

Tajjuk in confused ramblings shock.

 

Au contraire. Tajjuk in running rings around Dorkish shock is more appropriate. Given your past confused ramblings in conflicting opinions in various threads recently, I detect a huge pinch of irony.

[Turkish]

Au contraire. Tajjuk in running rings around Dorkish shock is more appropriate. Given your past confused ramblings in conflicting opinions in various threads recently, I detect a huge pinch of irony.

 

How do you know Les? I thought you had me on ignore? WHy are you reading discussion i am involved in?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Au contraire. Tajjuk in running rings around Dorkish shock is more appropriate. Given your past confused ramblings in conflicting opinions in various threads recently, I detect a huge pinch of irony.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree...I wonder if he thinks Lallana is a striker as well.

[Window Cleaner]

On the other hand Lallana did score 20 goals (albeit in League 1) in APs only full season with us so AP probably knows how to get the best out of him in that sector.

[Turkish]

We'll have to agree to disagree...I wonder if he thinks Lallana is a striker as well.

 

Les has it in for me after i mugged him off about prisons on the lounge when he started bleating on about them based on stuff he'd read in the newspapers. Ever since then he's had it in for me and likes to try and score points. which is quite sad for a man who is clearly in his latter years, but then considering he hasn't developed a personality or sense of humour in that time should come as no surprise.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Les has it in for me after i mugged him off about prisons on the lounge when he started bleating on about them based on stuff he'd read in the newspapers. Ever since then he's had it in for me and likes to try and score points. which is quite sad for a man who is clearly in his latter years, but then considering he hasn't developed a personality or sense of humour in that time should come as no surprise.

 

You are divisive...maybe he's taken you off ignore like I did after I ended up reading a lot of your posts anyway?

[Turkish]

You are divisive...maybe he's taken you off ignore like I did after I ended up reading a lot of your posts anyway?

 

Really? it's not intentional

 

I'm still on ignore, he announces it regularly. Anyway, we've got on much better since i came off your list. We are not that disimilar you and I.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Really? it's not intentional

 

I'm still on ignore, he announces it regularly. Anyway, we've got on much better since i came off your list. We are not that disimilar you and I.

 

Hahaha, oh ****ing hell I hope not

[tajjuk]

Once again you're struggling i see. I asked people to explain why Lallana is worth so much more than Jarvis, who cost £10.75m, you were at pains to stress all the reasons why Lallana is better and worth more. Then you say yourself that as a premier league player he was linked with moves for £15m, hang on a minute, *fag packet maths* 3 x £5m, oh that's right, it's £15m! So actaully as premier league players their values aren't that disimliar are they. Has it dropped yet? Or are you going to ramble on about being younger, called for england once, something about not being injured this season again?

 

You are really a simpleton, you explicity asked people to explain why Lallana was worth £15 million (or three times newcastle's offer) and we did quite comrehensively.

 

You went on a little rant at MLG for that exact reason earlier in the thread.

 

£15 million is also more than £10.75 million.

 

Jarvis was sold for £10.75 million.

 

ipso facto Lallana is worth more than Jarvis.

 

Jarvis being touted at £15 million a few years ago when he was at a very similar stage to what Lallana is now just further supports the £15 million valutation that you so scoffed at the beggining of the thread. -

 

Why do you think Lallana is worth £6m more than Matt Jarvis?

 

Relegation, age and wanting to leave dropped Jarvis's value from £15 million to £10.

 

You seem to agree that £15 million is now a correct valuation for Lallana when you were questioning it at the start.

 

[Wes Tender]

You are divisive...maybe he's taken you off ignore like I did after I ended up reading a lot of your posts anyway?

 

No, Dorkish is still on ignore, but people keep on quoting him.

 

But to answer him, I bow to his superior knowledge on Prisons, as of course he has first-hand experience of them as an inmate, for football hooliganism. But inline with his reasoning about that, then most of the judiciary or the Government have not had the benefit of that experience themselves, so presumably they are not qualified to express a valid opinion on the Prison Service either. And I don't form an opinion just from what I read in newspapers, as often they have their own agendas and bias.

 

And I wouldn't wish to form a personality or sense of humour bearing any resemblance to that of Dorkish's. That wouldn't be anything to be proud about at all.

[Turkish]

No, Dorkish is still on ignore, but people keep on quoting him.

 

But to answer him, I bow to his superior knowledge on Prisons, as of course he has first-hand experience of them as an inmate, for football hooliganism. But inline with his reasoning about that, then most of the judiciary or the Government have not had the benefit of that experience themselves, so presumably they are not qualified to express a valid opinion on the Prison Service either. And I don't form an opinion just from what I read in newspapers, as often they have their own agendas and bias.

 

And I wouldn't wish to form a personality or sense of humour bearing any resemblance to that of Dorkish's. That wouldn't be anything to be proud about at all.

 

Still on ignore yet still replying. Go on Les, keep going

[Thedelldays]

if we go down...we will do well to get £10m for any of our players....let alone £15m

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Still on ignore yet still replying. Go on Les, keep going

 

Should I quote you so he can respond?

[Turkish]

You are really a simpleton, you explicity asked people to explain why Lallana was worth £15 million (or three times newcastle's offer) and we did quite comrehensively.

 

You went on a little rant at MLG for that exact reason earlier in the thread.

 

£15 million is also more than £10.75 million.

 

Jarvis was sold for £10.75 million.

 

ipso facto Lallana is worth more than Jarvis.

 

Jarvis being touted at £15 million a few years ago when he was at a very similar stage to what Lallana is now just further supports the £15 million valutation that you so scoffed at the beggining of the thread. -

 

 

 

Relegation, age and wanting to leave dropped Jarvis's value from £15 million to £10.

 

You seem to agree that £15 million is now a correct valuation for Lallana when you were questioning it at the start.

 

 

Yep, because asking people to justify why lallana is worth more than Jarvis is EXACTLY the same as saying Lallana is worth £15m. EXACTLY the same. You seem to be confusing yourself. On the one hand saying that when Jarvis was premier league player he was valued at £15m, yet when he wasn't his value dropped, yet earlier castigating me for using AOC as an example of a talented young none premier league player. So are we comparing like for like or not? £15m was the mongboard forums valuation, £15m was Jarvis premier league status valuation. You even said yourself Lallanas value would drop if we went down. It's not difficult is it, you provided the figures yourself. Their values are not disimilar.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

if we go down...we will do well to get £10m for any of our players....let alone £15m

 

I agree with this, I think we would get £10m or so for Ramirez, but wouldn't get anywhere near that for Lallana, probably £6-8m at the most. I think Premier League clubs are going to start spending less on getting players from lower divisions after spending big amounts on players who aren't actually that good...

[Turkish]

if we go down...we will do well to get £10m for any of our players....let alone £15m

 

do be ridiculous. Lallana hasn't been injured as much as Jarvis so is worth well more than that. tajjuk told us this.

[Chez]

Lallana will not leave in January, he will leave eventually, but not this season. He's a top lad wouldn't do that to us mid-season, I think he knows that if all fails and we get relegated that he will get picked up by another team.

 

Any chance that he might stay here for his whole career? He stuck by us previously when we were in the lower leagues and there were offers from the Premiership. If Turkish is right then a top 6 club won't come knocking, so is there any point in him moving if things are going well at Saints?

[Chez]

if we go down...we will do well to get £10m for any of our players....let alone £15m

 

couldn't agree more. If you go down then its a buyers market. Lowe did very well to get £7m for Crouch when we were financially up **** creak without that money.

[Glasgow_Saint]

heard this from my source

 

"Bid is £5.5 million for Adam or £4 million for Adam + Guly"

 

 

[Verbal Kint]

do be ridiculous. Lallana hasn't been injured as much as Jarvis so is worth well more than that. tajjuk told us this.

 

When you talk about what a player is 'worth' are you referring to what the selling club would be willing to sell at or what the buying club is willing to pay? Two very different figures in the case of Lallana i imagine

 

A player's transfer value isn't just dependent on his ability. There are quite a few other factors that go into it

[tajjuk]

Yep, because asking people to justify why lallana is worth more than Jarvis is EXACTLY the same as saying Lallana is worth £15m. EXACTLY the same. You seem to be confusing yourself. On the one hand saying that when Jarvis was premier league player he was valued at £15m, yet when he wasn't his value dropped, yet earlier castigating me for using AOC as an example of a talented young none premier league player. So are we comparing like for like or not? £15m was the mongboard forums valuation, £15m was Jarvis premier league status valuation. You even said yourself Lallanas value would drop if we went down. It's not difficult is it, you provided the figures yourself. Their values are not disimilar.

 

Lol, like I said you were wrong, then about half way down the thread you changed your tune after being shown how wrong you were.

 

Any bits of your argument that have been destroyed you conveniently ignore and move on.

 

People justified why they think Lallana is worth more than Jarvis, they used logical points to back their reasoning. You have just waffled on about Jarvis two years ago, which as I stated several times merely supports the suggested valuation for Lallana even more.

 

Lallana is in a similar positon to what Jarvis was two year ago, 24, playing well, near the England team, lower table club, long contract.

 

Jarvis however is not, he's been injured quite frequently, got relegated, is now two years older with little progression and is nowhere near the England squad, that £15 million was when he was at his 'high', he is no longer there,his value now is probably about the £7.5 million intitial fee West Ham paid.]

 

Lallana is at the highest point of his career so far. Jarvis is not.

 

You can't seem to get it into your tiny head that what Jarvis was valued at 2 years ago is not what he is valued now. His value has dropped signigifigantly in that time due to the various reasons above, hence his much lower transfer fee to West Ham. The story is about what Lallana is potentially sellable for now in comparison to what Jarvis is was actually sold for, not his value two years ago.

 

As I also pointed out, no one said Lallana was worth £15 million, what people actually said was that would be the minimum amount Newcastle would have to start offerring before it was taken seriously to make us sell.

Edited 5 December, 2012 by tajjuk

[Smirking_Saint]

He really is all over the place in this thread.

 

I do like the arrogance in his posts though, he believes he is correct, I see he hasnt replied to me yet.

 

He tends to do this, go on OTT ramblings that generally show him up. TBF he does come accross as writing decent arguements, those arguements targets however are too often far off the mark.

[Turkish]

Lol, like I said you were wrong, then about half way down the thread you changed your tune after being shown how wrong you were.

 

Any bits of your argument that have been destroyed you conveniently ignore and move on.

 

People justified why they think Lallana is worth more than Jarvis, they used logical points to back their reasoning. You have just waffled on about Jarvis two years ago, which as I stated several times merely supports the suggested valuation for Lallana even more.

 

Lallana is in a similar positon to what Jarvis was two year ago, 24, playing well, near the England team, lower table club, long contract.

 

Jarvis however is not, he's been injured quite frequently, got relegated, is now two years older with little progression and is nowhere near the England squad, that £15 million was when he was at his 'high', he is no longer there,his value now is probably about the £7.5 million intitial fee West Ham paid.]

 

Lallana is at the highest point of his career so far. Jarvis is not.

 

You can't seem to get it into your tiny head that what Jarvis was valued at 2 years ago is not what he is valued now. His value has dropped signigifigantly in that time due to the various reasons above, hence his much lower transfer fee to West Ham. The story is about what Lallana is potentially sellable for now in comparison to what Jarvis is was actually sold for, not his value two years ago.

 

As I also pointed out, no one said Lallana was worth £15 million, what people actually said was that would be the minimum amount Newcastle would have to start offerring before it was taken seriously to make us sell.

 

no amount of repeating yourself, no matter how many times is going to make you right.

[Smirking_Saint]

Lol, like I said you were wrong, then about half way down the thread you changed your tune after being shown how wrong you were.

 

Any bits of your argument that have been destroyed you conveniently ignore and move on.

 

People justified why they think Lallana is worth more than Jarvis, they used logical points to back their reasoning. You have just waffled on about Jarvis two years ago, which as I stated several times merely supports the suggested valuation for Lallana even more.

 

Lallana is in a similar positon to what Jarvis was two year ago, 24, playing well, near the England team, lower table club, long contract.

 

Jarvis however is not, he's been injured quite frequently, got relegated, is now two years older with little progression and is nowhere near the England squad, that £15 million was when he was at his 'high', he is no longer there,his value now is probably about the £7.5 million intitial fee West Ham paid.]

 

Lallana is at the highest point of his career so far. Jarvis is not.

 

You can't seem to get it into your tiny head that what Jarvis was valued at 2 years ago is not what he is valued now. His value has dropped signigifigantly in that time due to the various reasons above, hence his much lower transfer fee to West Ham. The story is about what Lallana is potentially sellable for now in comparison to what Jarvis is was actually sold for, not his value two years ago.

 

As I also pointed out, no one said Lallana was worth £15 million, what people actually said was that would be the minimum amount Newcastle would have to start offerring before it was taken seriously to make us sell.

 

This is Jarvis' 3rd year in a row in the prem, now for a team playing better then us, or certainly picking up more points, Wolves managed to get nearly 11m for him even though they were relegated and he clearly didnt want to be there.

 

Jarvis is 26 and adam is 24 now that realky is MLG nitpicking TBH

 

Is adam close to the England squad ? How do you know ? Cos he was picked once and not played ? How do you know jarvis isnt in hodgsons plans ?

 

Highest point of a career, well they are both playing prem football, so dont get that point really.

 

Lallana has no pace nor crossing ability, jarvis has thus making him a higher commodity in the prem seeing as though IMO he would fit into more squads, lallanas position is more rigid imo.

 

Like i said earlier though, I still dont see the point in all your waffle.

[Saint Garrett]

Jarvis and Adam are completely different players. The only reason theyre being compared on here is because he left a relegated team for loads of money in the summer.

[david in sweden]

Large pinch of salt territory I know...

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-boss-alan-pardew-will-table-1472888

 

 

this is the Mirror having a joke right ?........is it April 1st already?. Grow up AP...even if AL wanted to leave ....£5 million wouldn't buy his bootlaces !

[Smirking_Saint]

And its all gone quiet over there....

[tajjuk]

no amount of repeating yourself, no matter how many times is going to make you right.

 

No but facts do, and I have to repeat myself because you can't take well reasoned points, especially as you have already changed your point during the thread.

 

This is Jarvis' 3rd year in a row in the prem, now for a team playing better then us, or certainly picking up more points, Wolves managed to get nearly 11m for him even though they were relegated and he clearly didnt want to be there.

 

 

 

 

He's played 9 games out of West Ham's 15 during which he has contributed 1 goal and zero assists. His Wolves team were relegated last year.

 

Lallana has two goals and 4 assists (equalling Jarvis's total assists last season) in a worse team, he's up there with the likes of Mata in creation stats and he's been talked up in the media.

 

Jarvis is 26 and adam is 24 now that realky is MLG nitpicking TBH

 

 

Not really, footballers have a short shelf life, most players will have stopped developing by the age of 26 and should be close to their peak, especially attackers.

 

Lallana for me has improved this year on last year, in fact he's improved since the start of the season, has Jarvis improved since his England call?

 

 

Is adam close to the England squad ? How do you know ? Cos he was picked once and not played ? How do you know jarvis isnt in hodgsons plans ?

 

 

Maybe because Lallana was you know called up a few months ago, and Jarvis hasn't been for ages. It's usually a good indicator looking at the England squad to find out who's being considered for the England squad.

 

 

Highest point of a career, well they are both playing prem football, so dont get that point really.

 

 

Giggs is still playing premiership football he's hardly at the high point of his career though. Lallana was playing championship football last year and league one football the year before and is now knocking on the door of the England squad and getting good reviews in the press. Over the same time period Jarvis has gone from getting an England cap to getting relegated.

 

 

Lallana has no pace nor crossing ability, jarvis has thus making him a higher commodity in the prem seeing as though IMO he would fit into more squads, lallanas position is more rigid imo.

 

 

Your odd opinions, Lallana doesn't have 'no pace' and he can clearly cross, with both feet as well, Lallana also plays in far more positions than Jarvis, so how is he rigid? They are different types of players and as a versatile foward player rather than a traditonal winger I would say that Lallana would more likely fit into more squads in the league.

 

 

Like i said earlier though, I still dont see the point in all your waffle.

 

 

Why post then? ironic calling what I said waffle looking at what you posted.

Edited 5 December, 2012 by tajjuk

[Wes Tender]

When you talk about what a player is 'worth' are you referring to what the selling club would be willing to sell at or what the buying club is willing to pay? Two very different figures in the case of Lallana i imagine

 

A player's transfer value isn't just dependent on his ability. There are quite a few other factors that go into it

 

Very sensible. As I said earlier, the value of any commodity is what somebody is prepared to pay for it. All this talk of comparisons between the value of Lallana against Jarvis is totally irrelevant except as a yardstick. Unless Newcastle offered a vastly inflated sum for him, I doubt whether we will even bother countenancing it. We don't have to sell, Lallana shows no signs of wanting to leave, Cortese probably wouldn't sell to Pardew anyway.

 

So anybody trying to assess what he might be worth, especially when compared to what they consider to be a similar category of player, is wasting their time trying to justify their position. He's worth what somebody is prepared to pay for him and what we are prepared to accept, as VK says.

[Thedelldays]

Very sensible. As I said earlier, the value of any commodity is what somebody is prepared to pay for it. All this talk of comparisons between the value of Lallana against Jarvis is totally irrelevant except as a yardstick. Unless Newcastle offered a vastly inflated sum for him, I doubt whether we will even bother countenancing it. We don't have to sell, Lallana shows no signs of wanting to leave, Cortese probably wouldn't sell to Pardew anyway.

 

So anybody trying to assess what he might be worth, especially when compared to what they consider to be a similar category of player, is wasting their time trying to justify their position. He's worth what somebody is prepared to pay for him and what we are prepared to accept, as VK says.

which...if we go down...will be considerably less than £15m

[Wes Tender]

And its all gone quiet over there....

 

Well, Tajjuk systematically demolished all your points. Do you have a white flag handy?

[The Kraken]

Well, Tajjuk systematically demolished all your points. Do you have a white flag handy?

 

:lol:

 

It's not warfare Wes, its a sporting chat forum. Dear me, you seem to take internet arguing almost as seriously as tajjuk does.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Newcastle don't have the money to buy Lallana, and frankly their scouting does not tend to take in the English Leagues. It is based around getting high quality players from abroad for low prices whilst supplementing with academy/cheap English prospects. Lallana is neither.

[Wes Tender]

which...if we go down...will be considerably less than £15m

 

Will it? Do you know that for a fact? Do you have it from the horse's mouth that despite staying with us in the lower divisions, that Lallana will be off if we're relegated from the Premiership? His value, if we decide to sell, if he wants to leave, will be determined by how many clubs will be after him and what they are prepared to pay for him. As far as I'm aware, we do not need the money.

[Thedelldays]

Will it? Do you know that for a fact? Do you have it from the horse's mouth that despite staying with us in the lower divisions, that Lallana will be off if we're relegated from the Premiership? His value, if we decide to sell, if he wants to leave, will be determined by how many clubs will be after him and what they are prepared to pay for him. As far as I'm aware, we do not need the money.

yeah..going down always strengthens the relegated club when selling players..

 

jesus christ

 

if we dont need money...why did we take out a loan then....?