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5 Million shows it is lazy journalism.

 

Treble it in the current climate.

 

What it does show is lazy readerism. It quite clearly says its a £5m starting bid so actually great journalism. Obviously we'd want way more than £5m so round of applause for the journalist for getting it spot on that it's a starting bid and correctly reporting that Lallana has been one of our better performers and Pardew is a long term admirer. Brilliant journalism and I applaud his knowledge, sensible and realist reporting.

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What it does show is lazy readerism. It quite clearly says its a £5m starting bid so actually great journalism. Obviously we'd want way more than £5m so round of applause for the journalist for getting it spot on that it's a starting bid and correctly reporting that Lallana has been one of our better performers and Pardew is a long term admirer. Brilliant journalism and I applaud his knowledge, sensible and realist reporting.

 

Thanks.

 

So me saying treble it wasn't lazy readerism at all?

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Why do you think Lallana is worth £6m more than Matt Jarvis?

 

We currently play in the Premier League.

 

He has a considerable amount of time left on his contract.

 

He is our captain.

 

Lazy from you though to be fair, I didn't say I thought he was worth 15 million, I just think in the current climate and with our chairman's hard bargaining we wouldn't sell for less than 15 million.

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Why do you think Lallana is worth £6m more than Matt Jarvis?

 

Well, Matt Jarvis is a mere left winger. Adam Lallana, on the other hand, plays on the left AND he plays on the right. Also, his general play puts the overall performances of Argentinian maestro Lionel Messi in the shade. Given all that; £5M? £55M wouldn't be enough FFS.

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Playr 'value' is a misleading oncept anyway - player only worth what someone willing to pay v what someone willing to sell for. I suspect in this case, if rumour is true, What Newcastle woul be willing to pay will fall way short of what saints would be willing to sell him for.... which is all that matters really. As to whether NC would do business with 'Pards', answer is probably yes if the price was right from Saints perspective.

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£15m isn't £6m more than £10.75m.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19342136

 

Plus, Jarvis is 2 years older, not on as long a contract, not the team captain, was at a Championship club and imo not as good.

 

Oh dear Mr Wrong, some glaring errors and overlooking a number of FACTS

 

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Jarvis has an England cap, Lallana doesnt, he is proven in the premier league, Lallana isn't yet. 14 games is not a proven premier league player. So as Jarvis is two years old that makes him in his prime, so worth more. Dean Hammond was our captain last season, what happened to him?

As for your WRONG comment about contracts Jarvis contract at Wolves expired in 2015, the same year as Lallanas so he actually had MORE time left on his contract when he left that Lallana does now. Come on Matthew, i thought you'd know all these details. Oh and by the way your opinion is irrelevant as to his ability, this is the real world, not football manager.

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Oh dear Mr Wrong, some glaring errors and overlooking a number of FACTS

 

MrWrong.jpg

 

Jarvis has an England cap, Lallana doesnt, he is proven in the premier league, Lallana isn't yet. 14 games is not a proven premier league player. So as Jarvis is two years old that makes him in his prime, so worth more. Dean Hammond was our captain last season, what happened to him?

As for your WRONG comment about contracts Jarvis contract at Wolves expired in 2015, the same year as Lallanas so he actually had MORE time left on his contract when he left that Lallana does now. Come on Matthew, i thought you'd know all these details. Oh and by the way your opinion is irrelevant as to his ability, this is the real world, not football manager.

 

Your stalking of MLG is getting quite cute.

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What it does show is lazy readerism. It quite clearly says its a £5m starting bid so actually great journalism. Obviously we'd want way more than £5m so round of applause for the journalist for getting it spot on that it's a starting bid and correctly reporting that Lallana has been one of our better performers and Pardew is a long term admirer. Brilliant journalism and I applaud his knowledge, sensible and realist reporting.

 

 

It also says he's 23, when he's 24, so seems pretty lazy journalism to me.

 

 

Oh dear Mr Wrong, some glaring errors and overlooking a number of FACTS

 

Jarvis has an England cap, Lallana doesnt, he is proven in the premier league, Lallana isn't yet. 14 games is not a proven premier league player. So as Jarvis is two years old that makes him in his prime, so worth more. Dean Hammond was our captain last season, what happened to him?

As for your WRONG comment about contracts Jarvis contract at Wolves expired in 2015, the same year as Lallanas so he actually had MORE time left on his contract when he left that Lallana does now. Come on Matthew, i thought you'd know all these details. Oh and by the way your opinion is irrelevant as to his ability, this is the real world, not football manager.

 

Oh dear Mr Wrong indeed, but not MLG.

 

"So as Jarvis is two years old that makes him in his prime, so worth more" This is in no way a FACT and is completely wrong :rolleyes: The younger the player the more potential he has, therefore if Jarvis is "in his prime" as you say then he's not going to get any better, whereas Lallana has potential to get better, and therefore his value would be higher. Jarivs has also had a catalogue of injuries whereas Lallana hasn't.

 

"As for your WRONG comment about contracts Jarvis contract at Wolves expired in 2015" Jarvis's contract length at Wolves is irrelevant because he submitted a transfer request so Wolves pretty much had to sell him, instantly that decreases his value.

 

"Jarvis has an England cap, Lallana doesnt," They have both been in one squad, Jarvis has 20 minutes of itnernational football nearly 2 years ago but hasn't been close to a squad since so Lallana is currently higher up the international pecking order, Francis Jeffers has an England cap does that make him worth more than Lallana? :rolleyes:

 

"he is proven in the premier league, Lallana isn't yet. 14 games is not a proven premier league player." He was still playing championship football when he was bought.

 

Lallana:

 

- doesn't want to leave

 

- is playing for a premiership club,

 

- is our captain so is highly valued by us,

 

- has been attracted good reviews this year much more than Jarvis who has been injured

 

- is closer to the England squad.

 

- is younger and has more potential to improve.

 

His market value is therefore at minimum the same if not more than Jarvis

 

Maybe before you berate other people you should check your own facts first.

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It also says he's 23, when he's 24, so seems pretty lazy journalism to me.

 

 

 

 

Oh dear Mr Wrong indeed, but not MLG.

 

"So as Jarvis is two years old that makes him in his prime, so worth more" This is in no way a FACT and is completely wrong :rolleyes: The younger the player the more potential he has, therefore if Jarvis is "in his prime" as you say then he's not going to get any better, whereas Lallana has potential to get better, and therefore his value would be higher. Jarivs has also had a catalogue of injuries whereas Lallana hasn't.

 

"As for your WRONG comment about contracts Jarvis contract at Wolves expired in 2015" Jarvis's contract length at Wolves is irrelevant because he submitted a transfer request so Wolves pretty much had to sell him, instantly that decreases his value.

 

"Jarvis has an England cap, Lallana doesnt," They have both been in one squad, Jarvis has 20 minutes of itnernational football nearly 2 years ago but hasn't been close to a squad since so Lallana is currently higher up the international pecking order, Francis Jeffers has an England cap does that make him worth more than Lallana? :rolleyes:

 

"he is proven in the premier league, Lallana isn't yet. 14 games is not a proven premier league player." He was still playing championship football when he was bought.

 

Lallana:

 

- doesn't want to leave

 

- is playing for a premiership club,

 

- is our captain so is highly valued by us,

 

- has been attracted good reviews this year much more than Jarvis who has been injured

 

- is closer to the England squad.

 

- is younger and has more potential to improve.

 

His market value is therefore at minimum the same if not more than Jarvis

 

Maybe before you berate other people you should check your own facts first.

 

Are you and MLG related?

 

I love it how people get all nit picky whenever anyone dare say a player at another club might be worth more than one of their heroes.

 

By your reakoning we got shafted on the AOC deal because at the age of 17 AOC has 9 years to reach the level Jarvis is at, so £12m for him was a disaster when Jarvis was worth £10.75m at the grand old age of 26 as AOC is much younger and has more potential to improve. Wasn't NC lauded as being a great businessman for getting £12m out of Arsenal? Sounds like we got done on the deal.

 

I love it when people use the "But but but but, he's out captain" as proof of his worth. So was Dan Hammond, is he worth £15m?! Oh no that's right, he's on loan to a championship club!

 

I'm also not quite sure what you mean by saying "he was still playing championship football when he was bought" He was signed in the summer after Wolves had been relegated and he'd has a couple of seasons and premier league football and an England cap under his belt. Catch up sunshine or you'll get the Mr Wrong label as well.

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Jarvis was never worth £10m and Lallana is not worth £15m.

 

NO! NO! NO! Lallana is worth £15m because he is. Jarvis is not worth anywhere near has much because he got injured. The fact that he is a proven premier league player is totally irrevelant because Lallana might get better.

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Are you and MLG related?

 

I love it how people get all nit picky whenever anyone dare say a player at another club might be worth more than one of their heroes.

 

By your reakoning we got shafted on the AOC deal because at the age of 17 AOC has 9 years to reach the level Jarvis is at, so £12m for him was a disaster when Jarvis was worth £10.75m at the grand old age of 26 as AOC is much younger and has more potential to improve. Wasn't NC lauded as being a great businessman for getting £12m out of Arsenal? Sounds like we got done on the deal.

 

I love it when people use the "But but but but, he's out captain" as proof of his worth. So was Dan Hammond, is he worth £15m?! Oh no that's right, he's on loan to a championship club!

 

I'm also not quite sure what you mean by saying "he was still playing championship football when he was bought" He was signed in the summer after Wolves had been relegated and he'd has a couple of seasons and premier league football and an England cap under his belt. Catch up sunshine or you'll get the Mr Wrong label as well.

 

 

Lol, Turkey boy, I thought you would come back with a stupid post, it's funny because you said that Lallana isn't a proven premiership player yet Jarvis is, then cite a 17 year old who had only played league 1 football :rolleyes:

 

So what is it do you need to be proven in the premiership or not proven in the premiership? You can't have both ways.

 

Any player in the Championship will cost less, mainly because they will want to move to the premier league, especially if they have already been playing there. You really think Lallanas value wouldn't drop if we got relegated?

 

I also see you clearly ignore the bits where your waffle has got found out, Jarvis's Engalnd cap was nearly two years ago, Lallana got called up two months ago, who do think is closer to getting an England cap in the future I wonder? or the fact that Jarvis had handed in a transfer request? no because those bits make you look like the idiot you are.

 

Take the captain bit away and his market value is still higher than Jarvis's was at Wolves.

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NO! NO! NO! Lallana is worth £15m because he is. Jarvis is not worth anywhere near has much because he got injured. The fact that he is a proven premier league player is totally irrevelant because Lallana might get better.

 

I see what you've done there. touche.

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Lol, Turkey boy, I thought you would come back with a stupid post, it's funny because you said that Lallana isn't a proven premiership player yet Jarvis is, then cite a 17 year old who had only played league 1 football :rolleyes:

 

So what is it do you need to be proven in the premiership or not proven in the premiership? You can't have both ways.

 

Any player in the Championship will cost less, mainly because they will want to move to the premier league, especially if they have already been playing there. You really think Lallanas value wouldn't drop if we got relegated?

 

I also see you clearly ignore the bits where your waffle has got found out, Jarvis's Engalnd cap was nearly two years ago, Lallana got called up two months ago, who do think is closer to getting an England cap in the future I wonder? or the fact that Jarvis had handed in a transfer request? no because those bits make you look like the idiot you are.

 

Take the captain bit away and his market value is still higher than Jarvis's was at Wolves.

 

Turkey boy, LOLZ!!!!!

 

Lallana didn't get a cap, he called got called up to the squad. He hasnt' actually got a cap.

 

Obviously the point being around AOC was that he was widely regarded as one of, if not the best young player in the country and he has plenty of time to improve doesn't he, isn't this one of the key reasons why Lallana is worth far more than Jarvis ever will or is signing potential not important now??

 

Good point about Lallanas value dropping if we were to go down, i wonder what Jarvis would have been if Wolves had stayed up? £10.75m is a lot for a player that is at a championship club isn't it, i wonder what it dropped from? Silly me, it'd still be much less than Lallanas because Jarvis got injured or something and his market value is mich higher than Jarvis because this forum says so.

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Well, I'd say that Dorkish has been comprehensively shot down in flames by Tajjuk and so the only response that Dorkish can offer is the usual childish sarcasm, as he isn't capable of sensibly debating his position further.

 

Ultimately though, the value of any commodity is determined by what somebody is prepared to pay for it. In the case of Lallana, if we don't wish to sell him and he doesn't want to leave us, then Newcastle would only get their man by paying a stupidly overinflated price for him, an offer we couldn't refuse. Under those circumstances, it is futile to make comparisons with other players and their valuations except as a benchmark.

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Turkey boy, LOLZ!!!!!

 

Lallana didn't get a cap, he called got called up to the squad. He hasnt' actually got a cap.

 

Obviously the point being around AOC was that he was widely regarded as one of, if not the best young player in the country and he has plenty of time to improve doesn't he, isn't this one of the key reasons why Lallana is worth far more than Jarvis ever will or is signing potential not important now??

 

Good point about Lallanas value dropping if we were to go down, i wonder what Jarvis would have been if Wolves had stayed up? £10.75m is a lot for a player that is at a championship club isn't it, i wonder what it dropped from? Silly me, it'd still be much less than Lallanas because Jarvis got injured or something and his market value is mich higher than Jarvis because this forum says so.

 

Who cares what his market value is?

 

He's a Premier League player who recently signed a long term contract with us. I'd like to think we would value him on what he is worth to us, not in comparison to other players that have been sold recently.

 

15 million MINIMUM if in January in the middle of such an important season, and i couldn't give a **** what Jarvis is worth

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Look this is getting out of hand again. Don't all attack Turkish just because he thinks it's a brilliant news article and that Jarvis is better than Lallana.

 

It's all about opinions after all.

 

I dont think he's better and Lallana is worth more than £5, i find it ammusing all those desperate to protect their heroes. Oh but he's out captain, oh but hes younger, Jarvis is injured blah blah blah. No one's really come up with any reasons as to why Lallana is worth nearly £5m more than Jarvis other than because this forum says so.

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Well, I'd say that Dorkish has been comprehensively shot down in flames by Tajjuk and so the only response that Dorkish can offer is the usual childish sarcasm, as he isn't capable of sensibly debating his position further.

 

Ultimately though, the value of any commodity is determined by what somebody is prepared to pay for it. In the case of Lallana, if we don't wish to sell him and he doesn't want to leave us, then Newcastle would only get their man by paying a stupidly overinflated price for him, an offer we couldn't refuse. Under those circumstances, it is futile to make comparisons with other players and their valuations except as a benchmark.

 

I thought you had me on ignore Les. You seem to be responding to all of my posts today. :lol:

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Turkey boy, LOLZ!!!!!

 

Lallana didn't get a cap, he called got called up to the squad. He hasnt' actually got a cap.

 

Obviously the point being around AOC was that he was widely regarded as one of, if not the best young player in the country and he has plenty of time to improve doesn't he, isn't this one of the key reasons why Lallana is worth far more than Jarvis ever will or is signing potential not important now??

 

Good point about Lallanas value dropping if we were to go down, i wonder what Jarvis would have been if Wolves had stayed up? £10.75m is a lot for a player that is at a championship club isn't it, i wonder what it dropped from? Silly me, it'd still be much less than Lallanas because Jarvis got injured or something and his market value is mich higher than Jarvis because this forum says so.

 

 

"Lallana didn't get a cap, he called got called up to the squad. He hasnt' actually got a cap." - Where did I say Lallana had a cap, I just said he was in a squad far more recently than Jarvis and was more likely to get caps in the future.

 

"Obviously the point being around AOC was that he was widely regarded as one of, if not the best young player in the country and he has plenty of time to improve doesn't he" - he does and he did but he hadn;t been tested, had we been playing in the Premier League at the time and he had performed at simialr level then his value would have been more. Is Lallana not regarded as a good young Englsih prospect?

 

"Good point about Lallanas value dropping if we were to go down, i wonder what Jarvis would have been if Wolves had stayed up?" I remember reports linking him with a £15 million move to Wolves the season before they got relegated, the league you are playing in has a big effect on the transfer price.

 

Well, I'd say that Dorkish has been comprehensively shot down in flames by Tajjuk and so the only response that Dorkish can offer is the usual childish sarcasm, as he isn't capable of sensibly debating his position further.

 

Ultimately though, the value of any commodity is determined by what somebody is prepared to pay for it. In the case of Lallana, if we don't wish to sell him and he doesn't want to leave us, then Newcastle would only get their man by paying a stupidly overinflated price for him, an offer we couldn't refuse. Under those circumstances, it is futile to make comparisons with other players and their valuations except as a benchmark.

 

The point I have been trying to make, as someone above said not sure Jarivs was worth £10 million and I doubt Lallana is worth £15 million, however he's one of our best players who could play a crucial role in keeping us in the premiership, he has a long contract and has shown no signs he wants to leave and we don't need the money. His value to us is very high so it would take a silly offer for us to agree to sell him.

 

Torres was never worth £50 million, but Liverpool had no reason to sell him and I don' think he particularly wanted to leave so the transfer fee was massively inflated to make the deal happen. same with Carroll, Henderson, Downing etc.

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"Lallana didn't get a cap, he called got called up to the squad. He hasnt' actually got a cap." - Where did I say Lallana had a cap, I just said he was in a squad far more recently than Jarvis and was more likely to get caps in the future.

 

"Obviously the point being around AOC was that he was widely regarded as one of, if not the best young player in the country and he has plenty of time to improve doesn't he" - he does and he did but he hadn;t been tested, had we been playing in the Premier League at the time and he had performed at simialr level then his value would have been more. Is Lallana not regarded as a good young Englsih prospect?

 

"Good point about Lallanas value dropping if we were to go down, i wonder what Jarvis would have been if Wolves had stayed up?" I remember reports linking him with a £15 million move to Wolves the season before they got relegated, the league you are playing in has a big effect on the transfer price.

 

 

 

The point I have been trying to make, as someone above said not sure Jarivs was worth £10 million and I doubt Lallana is worth £15 million, however he's one of our best players who could play a crucial role in keeping us in the premiership, he has a long contract and has shown no signs he wants to leave and we don't need the money. His value to us is very high so it would take a silly offer for us to agree to sell him.

 

Torres was never worth £50 million, but Liverpool had no reason to sell him and I don' think he particularly wanted to leave so the transfer fee was massively inflated to make the deal happen. same with Carroll, Henderson, Downing etc.

 

So actually the value between a premier league Jarvis and the premier league Lallana isn't that different, you say so yourself. Thanks for proving my point and rendering all your ramblings have been utter pointless.

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Lol

 

Lets not all get confused over real life and football manager.

 

Players are worth what their respective clubs value them at and how much a club that wants them is willing to pay. Is Jarvis a better player than Lallana ? Its debatable, Jarvis has certainly been playing a higher level of football then him on a regular basis over the last 4 years or so. The age thing is a bit of a muchness too, in real life this doesnt matter so much, Adam isnt going to improve any more than jarvis is over the next 5 years, he is 24 and played regularly he wouldnt improve massively.

 

He is our captain... Well that means f all reletively

 

He was in the england squad... So has livermore

 

The fact that a donkey like Carroll commanded a fee as high as he did proves you cannot really judge, Jarvis was as important to Wolves as adam is to us, their value will not be a lot more, jarvis has parts to his game that adam hasnt and visa versa. The only difference was he wanted to leave, who knows what might turn adams head.

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Lol

 

Lets not all get confused over real life and football manager.

 

Players are worth what their respective clubs value them at and how much a club that wants them is willing to pay. Is Jarvis a better player than Lallana ? Its debatable, he has certainly been playing a higher level of football then him on a regular basis over the last 4 years or so. The age thing is a bit of a muchness too, in real life this doesnt matter so much, Adam isnt going to improve any more than jarvis is over the next 5 years, he is 24 and played regularly he would improve massively.

 

He is our captain... Well that means f all reletively

 

He was in the england squad... So has livermore

 

The fact that a donkey like Carroll commanded a fee as high as he did proves you cannot really judge, Jarvis was as important to Wolves as adam is to us, their value will not be a lot more, jarvis has parts to his game that adam hasnt and visa versa. The only difference was he wanted to leave, who knows what might turn adams head.

 

Yep, good points.

 

For the bit in bold: I suspect it would only be a Saints relegation, or offer from a top club that would do so. I don't see Lallana as good enough for a top 4 or 5 club, so relegation is probably the biggest factor. Selling him in January wouldn't make much sense IMO, even for an inflated fee like £15M.

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Do you think if Ramirez plays well or we go down he will stay, investment buy to sell.

 

was it not categorically stated on this very forum that he "loves it here and wouldn't mind staying even if we're in the NPC" :smug::smug:

 

Anyway those of you who have suffered my rantings for many years will know that I'm not Lallana's biggest fan, not good enough in front of goal for a top class attacking player.

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