The Southampton Transfer Committee...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

But he plays Yoshida every game so why does the same logic not apply with him?

 

Because our defence is awful and with the way that Jos started the season his hand has been forced rather...

[Saint Charlie]

I wouldn't, at least not until Mayuka had missed a couple of sitters.

 

It would if we lost, see J Rod (who played quite well) in for Lambert at West Ham. Mayuka is also away in Jan - lets see what he is like after that. He certainly looks like he has a lot of potential.

[Dig Dig]

I'm not saying he should, but even to freshen things up? It just seems with the lack of playing time that perhaps he was a signing that Adkins hadn't seen, that's all.

 

He may have also said he went and watched these players to make the fans think the signings had something to do with him?[/QUOTE]

 

aren't we getting a bit paranoid now?

 

Basically, you've made your mind up as to who is an "Adkins signing" over who isn't based on largely loose assumptions and it doesn't seem like much will change your viewpoint so it's getting a bit pointless now.

[Saint Charlie]

I am pretty sure that when NA said he went to watch Mayuka last season that he actually did, and wasn't just saying it to make me feel better when I listened to the Saints Player interview.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I'm not saying he should, but even to freshen things up? It just seems with the lack of playing time that perhaps he was a signing that Adkins hadn't seen, that's all.

 

He may have also said he went and watched these players to make the fans think the signings had something to do with him?[/QUOTE]

 

aren't we getting a bit paranoid now?

 

Basically, you've made your mind up as to who is an "Adkins signing" over who isn't based on largely loose assumptions and it doesn't seem like much will change your viewpoint so it's getting a bit pointless now.

 

Of course they are assumptions?? This is just a discussion about it? I don't see why you're always so hostile, calm down! Why don't you go read another thread if you don't like people using assumptions on certain behaviours/traits. This is a forum, people have different opinions on what happens with their team.

 

I really hope this is you venting your frustration on the forum instead of taking it out on others in your life.

[Dig Dig]

 

Of course they are assumptions?? This is just a discussion about it? I don't see why you're always so hostile, calm down! Why don't you go read another thread if you don't like people using assumptions on certain behaviours/traits. This is a forum, people have different opinions on what happens with their team.

 

I really hope this is you venting your frustration on the forum instead of taking it out on others in your life.

 

Lol, hostile

 

You're quite a sensitive little fella aren't you!?

[Saint Charlie]

Rein it in Dig Dig - debate sensibly or not at all big fella. Bet you aren't so macho at West Ham away?

[Dig Dig]

Rein it in Dig Dig - debate sensibly or not at all big fella. Bet you aren't so macho at West Ham away?

 

 

When you're dealing with forum hardman DPS, you can't show any weakness

[Saint Charlie]

When you're dealing with forum hardman DPS, you can't show any weakness

 

So its 'Forum Hardman' vs 'Nasty Poster of the Year 2012'.......sort it over PM, some of us want to talk footy.

[Frank's cousin]

My twopenneth is that ALL clubs, whether managers, committees or the fricken tea Doris has input , get some right and some wrong - Even SAF buys some fricken sheidt at times. No one would be worried about any of our signings if we were sitting comfortably in the top half, with those that helped get us there being hailed as brilliant transfers, whilst thsoe that had not featured having been forgotten. Yet because struggled to find a blanaced side and fit in some of our new uns, the 'mistakes' stand out - even though its clear some were punts on the future.

 

Ultimately, clubs that let the manager have control, end up with bloated squads that no one can afford as new ones come in and add their faves - The continental model seems to work for most clubs abroad - the manager has to work with the players provided and show how good he is - need a defender, teh club goes out and get one, or better still looks to promote from the development squads. cant believe that in this country we still have so many managers (and fans) who seem to believe it should be their decision - they are paid to coach and manage - to improve players and get the best from them - if they cant do that, they should not be in the job.

 

Too often when managers fail they say its because they could not bring in the players they wanted - which is up there with the dog ate my homework inlame excuses.

 

What should happen is greater honesty and collaboration - with managers able to make an honest appraisal of how much they can improve players in the squad, and what that improvement will mean REALISICALLY in terms of where they can finish - the Chairman then needs to accept that opinion,a nd either accept taht 15th is the best we can do, of get the cheque book out if he expects a greater return.

[Glasgow_Saint]

So its 'Forum Hardman' vs 'Nasty Poster of the Year 2012'.......sort it over PM, some of us want to talk footy.

 

I tried that with DPS last dispute we had - he forwards all PMs to mods

[Turkish]

So its 'Forum Hardman' vs 'Nasty Poster of the Year 2012'.......sort it over PM, some of us want to talk footy.

 

No sort it out on the board! This is like the mongboard version of Lenny McClean v Roy Shaw!!

[Turkish]

The comittee balls up. There is no doubt about this. We've got £10m worth of strikers sitting on the bench most week whilst we've got 3 goal keepers not up to it, having to play a 17 year old at left back and at least one centre back short. We've also got a bit lucky with Puncheon, remember he couldn't get near the side for the last two years. I really dont see how people can attempt to defend this.

[St Marco]

In this day and age I don't think many clubs in the top flight let the manager pick who he wants on every transfer. I remember twitchy talking about Levy and how he goes for the players without him having much of a say. There are some decent articles about Levy and how he decides who to sign and the clubs transfer policy http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/09/03/from-rivaldo-to-moutinho-how-daniel-levy-redefined-tottenham%E2%80%99s-transfer-policy/ being one.

 

It makes you wonder who really does get a say on players now days. I would say Fergie, Wenger and Moyles do but everyone else it is hard to say. Man City, Chelsea etc you can imagine they get little say at all.

 

Isn't the reason Jose is leaving Madrid (rumour) at the end of the season down to the fact he wants more say on how the club is run i.e transfers and they won't give it to him?

 

It is just the way football is now. However looking back over the last few seasons Adkins has brought in a lot of players who never really did much. Stephens, Tafazolli, N'Guessan,Forte, Bignall, James Shea, De Ridder, Iago Falqué etc. There are quite a few others but I have selected ones who never really got much of a chance. Point being not all his choices have paid off so I think it is right we are more careful with who we sign.

 

I believe as someone else mentioned he did go and see Mayuka play as he talked about it in an interview. Also an interesting comment he made when Ramirez was rumoured to be joining Adkins said " 'Until the pieces of paper are signed you can never say it's done but the chairman is working exceptionally hard behind scenes, backing us in what we do"

 

That to me suggests Adkins has more of a say they some give him credit for.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I tried that with DPS last dispute we had - he forwards all PMs to mods

Another great contribution from you on this thread, trying to elicit a response from people.

 

Just because you started crying cos I called you a racist (I take this back - I don't think you're a racist, ****ing moron yes, but probably not a racist) and decided to send me a number of PM's telling me what you think of me. Well you want to know what I think of you, cos I have the balls to tell you on the actual forum.

 

1. You are a troll. You only post to antagonise those on the forum that you feel will react. It's quite funny to see that not many people do. Percentage wise you must have one of the least responded to post counts.

2. You love the popular posters. You try to be cool, or hard, or whatever by association. Recently you and Dig Dig have started to become close, and you keep backing each other up because you think the 2 of you look hard. You don't. You do look like lovers though.

3. I can't tell how old you are. The hackneyed writing style, poor spelling and grammar points to a kid at school. However, I assume you are older than this so I'd go for a slow adult. I know living in a bedsit in Glasgow with only the internet and your right hand to keep you company must be boring, but do try to get out once in a while. It's a big, exciting world out there, you don't have to hang around trying to look cool on an internet forum.

 

Post 5001, and out.

[Matthew Le God]

The comittee balls up. There is no doubt about this. We've got £10m worth of strikers sitting on the bench most week

 

Do you not think we need squad depth and options off the bench? Plus with Rodriguez being 7 years younger, he can be the long term Lambert replacement.

 

whilst we've got 3 goal keepers not up to it

 

You may be right, but I still think it is still too early to say that.

 

having to play a 17 year old at left back

 

This is irrelevant, Shaw has more than held his own and really doesn't look out of place at all. Bringing in another left back would hold back Shaw's progress.

 

and at least one centre back short.

 

I agree.

 

We've also got a bit lucky with Puncheon, remember he couldn't get near the side for the last two years.

 

Puncheon couldn't get in the team in 2010/11 because Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain are better players. That is what led to him being loaned out, with Oxlade-Chamberlain gone, the wounds healed Puncheon is back in.

 

I really dont see how people can attempt to defend this.

 

Lets see your rebuttals...

[Turkish]

Do you not think we need squad depth and options off the bench? Plus with Rodriguez being 7 years younger, he can be the long term Lambert replacement.

 

Do you not think it would have been better to improve the areas that clearly needed improving and strengthen our first XI so that those players that were in our first XI and needed improving on become our depth?

 

You may be right, but I still think it is still too early to say that.

 

Davis isnt good enough, Boruc cant get in ahead of him and Gazza makes a mistake every game and has cost us two wins already this season. He will be a good keeper but isn't ready

 

This is irrelevant, Shaw has more than held his own and really doesn't look out of place at all. Bringing in another left back would hold back Shaw's progress.

 

Shaw has looked good, but it's still early days for him and by their nature young players have peaks and dips in form. And apart from that it isn't fair to him that he is depended on to be our first choice player at such a young age. That might actually hinder his development as has been the case for other players brought through too quickly

 

I agree.

 

 

 

Puncheon couldn't get in the team in 2010/11 because Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain are better players. That is what led to him being loaned out, with Oxlade-Chamberlain gone, the wounds healed Puncheon is back in.

 

 

Puncheon also couldn't get in the side last season when he kissed and made up with Cortese and Adkins, AOC was long gone by then. He also couldn't get in the QPR side last season. We've got a bit lucky he has played well this season as i'm far from convinced he was in Adkins thoughts as a first choice player during preseason

 

Lets see your rebuttals...

 

There you go Matthew.

[Dig Dig]

So its 'Forum Hardman' vs 'Nasty Poster of the Year 2012'.......sort it over PM, some of us want to talk footy.

 

I conduct my affairs in the open. Just interested in which part of my post was hostile and angry as DPS likes to constanly suggest.

[Turkish]

I conduct my affairs in the open. Just interested in which part of my post was hostile and angry as DPS likes to constanly suggest.

 

Want me to organiser a straightener on the muppet show away from the prying eyes of the mods?

[The Kraken]

There you go Matthew.

 

All entirely correct. Also, with Shaw, he's only 17 and his body is still developing so he's going to be more succeptible to injury. So along with completely understandable fluctuations in performance there is no way we should plan the rest of our season around him playing 90 minutes in every single game; its extremely unlikely to happen. Think David Moyes with Wayne Rooney; in his early years Rooney was nurtured and held back for his own good. Moyes quite rightly didn't have him playing 90 minutes every game, it would likely have quickly burnt him out.

[Dig Dig]

Want me to organiser a straightener on the muppet show away from the prying eyes of the mods?

 

Yea put the word out. I hope that me putting away SWF hardman DPS will cement my place in mongboard folklore.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Another great contribution from you on this thread, trying to elicit a response from people.

 

Just because you started crying cos I called you a racist (I take this back - I don't think you're a racist, ****ing moron yes, but probably not a racist) and decided to send me a number of PM's telling me what you think of me. Well you want to know what I think of you, cos I have the balls to tell you on the actual forum.

 

1. You are a troll. You only post to antagonise those on the forum that you feel will react. It's quite funny to see that not many people do. Percentage wise you must have one of the least responded to post counts.

2. You love the popular posters. You try to be cool, or hard, or whatever by association. Recently you and Dig Dig have started to become close, and you keep backing each other up because you think the 2 of you look hard. You don't. You do look like lovers though.

3. I can't tell how old you are. The hackneyed writing style, poor spelling and grammar points to a kid at school. However, I assume you are older than this so I'd go for a slow adult. I know living in a bedsit in Glasgow with only the internet and your right hand to keep you company must be boring, but do try to get out once in a while. It's a big, exciting world out there, you don't have to hang around trying to look cool on an internet forum.

 

Post 5001, and out.

 

:lol:

 

Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me

[Turkish]

Yea put the word out. I hope that me putting away SWF hardman DPS will cement my place in mongboard folklore.

 

DPS v Dig Dig the promotional video FFS

 

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/movie-en-871e3def22cda16f4ab4af2890ba7426.html

[Matthew Le God]

All entirely correct. Also, with Shaw, he's only 17 and his body is still developing so he's going to be more succeptible to injury. So along with completely understandable fluctuations in performance there is no way we should plan the rest of our season around him playing 90 minutes in every single game; its extremely unlikely to happen. Think David Moyes with Wayne Rooney; in his early years Rooney was nurtured and held back for his own good. Moyes quite rightly didn't have him playing 90 minutes every game, it would likely have quickly burnt him out.

 

So what would you propose Saints do at left back? Shaw is clearly already good enough to start Premier League games, if you want to dip him in and out occasionally what senior left back will you get to join the club to do that? We already have Fox at the club and although he isn't great he can cover that role. If for example we signed Buttner in the summer and started him every game, where would that leave Shaw's development?

[Turkish]

So what would you propose Saints do at left back? Shaw is clearly already good enough to start Premier League games, if you want to dip him in and out occasionally what senior left back will you get to join the club to do that? We already have Fox at the club and although he isn't great he can cover that role. If for example we signed Buttner in the summer and started him every game, where would that leave Shaw's development?

 

It's called squad rotation Matthew. I would think we'd be in an excellent position if we had an experienced first choice player with a very talented young player to come through and be brought into the side on occasions with a view to being the first choice one in a couple of season, wouldnt you? It's very unfair on Shaw and very stupid to depend on a 17 year old still learning the game to be playing week in week out in a side that is 90% likely to be in a relegation scrap and the pressure that goes with it. Dont you agree?

[Dig Dig]

DPS v Dig Dig the promotional video FFS

 

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/movie-en-871e3def22cda16f4ab4af2890ba7426.html

 

Flash player FFS

[Chez]

personally I never understood the calls for a left back. If Arsenal are offering £4m for your 17 year old you know you have a talent on your hands and you need to provide a route to the first team. I've never rated Fox, but as cover I thought he'd do for now. Left and right midfield looked far more pressing to me, but then again I don't think there was a position on the park we couldn't strengthen, which is why we signed 2 keepers, 2 defenders, 2 midfielders and 2 strikers. However one of those midfielders turns out to be an attacker so the balance in that policy goes to pot a bit.

Edited 4 December, 2012 by Chez

[david in sweden]

this thread is called the Sothampton Transfer Committee... can we revert to that topic please, or should we create a special forum for those who want to insult each other online .......

[Turkish]

[The Kraken]

So what would you propose Saints do at left back? Shaw is clearly already good enough to start Premier League games, if you want to dip him in and out occasionally what senior left back will you get to join the club to do that? We already have Fox at the club and although he isn't great he can cover that role. If for example we signed Buttner in the summer and started him every game, where would that leave Shaw's development?

 

Sorry MLG, I went out to dinner and missed your post.

 

My answer to your question should first be phrased by pointing out that I agree with you to a certain extent and have commented before as such. Luke Shaw needs to be developed and his progress could be put back by not having a route to the first team. That said, you completely missed the points I made, in that at 17 he is still developing and through his ups and downs in form he is likely to also be as prone to injury as he'll ever be. And as Turkish said, should we really be placing such a burden of expectation on someone so young? It's a big risk. I think his progress has been brilliant; will it last? Your idea of letting him get on with it leaves Dan Fox as our left back if Shaw isn't there in case of injury, loss of form, whatever. My view is this; that situation simply isn't good enough. Especially when you yourself suggested previously that spending £10m on squad players was a decent business model.

[Smirking_Saint]

It would be extremely naive to think many managers have 100% control over transfers.

 

This is only going to become more the case with the decreasing shelf-life of managers. It makes little sense in that respect really.

 

People are overly hostile to this notion.

 

If done well, it can massively benefit the side. You only have to look at Newcastle over the past couple of years to see this. Alan Carr's dad has a large role in player recruitment. Served them pretty well.

 

has many ****ign times. All the players were signed due to a committee so the list will be

 

Committee

Rodriguez

Clyne

Gazzaniga

Mayuka

Ramirez

Yoshida

Boruc

 

Non Adkins

 

This and this

 

I see another epic thread coming here. Once again, we dont know what our targets were in the summer or how close. Yeah I do kind of agree we should have pressed more at CB, the left back issue I cant help but think was to do with Shaw, his injury IMO stopped any earlier progression to the first team.

 

Yoshida isnt all that bad IMO

[Smirking_Saint]

It would be extremely naive to think many managers have 100% control over transfers.

 

This is only going to become more the case with the decreasing shelf-life of managers. It makes little sense in that respect really.

 

People are overly hostile to this notion.

 

If done well, it can massively benefit the side. You only have to look at Newcastle over the past couple of years to see this. Alan Carr's dad has a large role in player recruitment. Served them pretty well.

 

Another great contribution from you on this thread, trying to elicit a response from people.

 

Just because you started crying cos I called you a racist (I take this back - I don't think you're a racist, ****ing moron yes, but probably not a racist) and decided to send me a number of PM's telling me what you think of me. Well you want to know what I think of you, cos I have the balls to tell you on the actual forum.

 

1. You are a troll. You only post to antagonise those on the forum that you feel will react. It's quite funny to see that not many people do. Percentage wise you must have one of the least responded to post counts.

2. You love the popular posters. You try to be cool, or hard, or whatever by association. Recently you and Dig Dig have started to become close, and you keep backing each other up because you think the 2 of you look hard. You don't. You do look like lovers though.

3. I can't tell how old you are. The hackneyed writing style, poor spelling and grammar points to a kid at school. However, I assume you are older than this so I'd go for a slow adult. I know living in a bedsit in Glasgow with only the internet and your right hand to keep you company must be boring, but do try to get out once in a while. It's a big, exciting world out there, you don't have to hang around trying to look cool on an internet forum.

 

Post 5001, and out.

 

I also agree with this

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

So, do we still think that these transfers were sanctioned by all members of the Transfer Committee? Dig Dig?

[Pilchards]

So, do we still think that these transfers were sanctioned by all members of the Transfer Committee? Dig Dig?

 

Ignore him Dibden as he's a cock.

[Dig Dig]

Ignore him Dibden as he's a cock.

 

Why is that Pilchards, because I questioned your pathetic faux ITK attempts? Where is Lallana by the way, was supposed to be back weeks ago now?

 

DPS, can't see anything wrote on this thread which was controversial based on what was known at the time. Adkins had watched Mayuka and Yoshida but it now sounds like he may have pressed for different options which he didn't get. All our signings are committee signings but it seems like Adkins didn't get his way with a CB and NC didn't get his way with a keeper.

[Glasgow_Saint]

So, do we still think that these transfers were sanctioned by all members of the Transfer Committee? Dig Dig?

 

Vindicated

[SaintBobby]

According to the Mirror, tensions over transfers were a big reason behind the sacking. Just saying.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tensions-over-transfers-saw-nigel-1546179

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

So it looks like Boruc wasn't an Adkins signing then...but I thought he had a say in all our signings?

 

Strange, as I could be sure that's what people said.

[stug76]

So it looks like Boruc wasn't an Adkins signing then...but I thought he had a say in all our signings?

 

Strange, as I could be sure that's what people said.

 

Which people?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Which people?

 

I think there are quite a few on the first page who mocked me when I suggested that Adkins didn't have anything to do with some signings...

[Turkish]

I think there are quite a few on the first page who mocked me when I suggested that Adkins didn't have anything to do with some signings...

 

Not just on this thread either to be fair.

[Window Cleaner]

At the end of the day over half our current first team were either here before Adkins or if you believe the Boruc article signed without his explicit approval. Yoshida wasn't what Adkins wanted apparently, well according to the Daily Mirror the day after his sacking.

[Turkish]

At the end of the day over half our current first team were either here before Adkins or if you believe the Boruc article signed without his explicit approval. Yoshida wasn't what Adkins wanted apparently, well according to the Daily Mirror the day after his sacking.

 

Adkins said a week before we signed Yoshida that we wouldn't be signing him. No, I can't be arsed to find the link.

[The Kraken]

At the end of the day over half our current first team were either here before Adkins or if you believe the Boruc article signed without his explicit approval. Yoshida wasn't what Adkins wanted apparently, well according to the Daily Mirror the day after his sacking.

 

And I don't necessarily have a problem with that for one-off signings, so long as the manager gets most of what he wants in addition. Lowe brought in the likes of Crouch and Niemi over his managers' heads. The problem comes when you have more Delgados than you do successes. Forren (so far) and Mayuka are worrying trends.

[Window Cleaner]

Adkins said a week before we signed Yoshida that we wouldn't be signing him. No, I can't be arsed to find the link.

 

apparently he wanted some Scandinavian with a unpronounceable name. Bram Nuytick or something like that.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Not just on this thread either to be fair.

 

Hell no, not just on this thread. Looking forward to me apologies from Dig Dig et al.

[Faz]

And I don't necessarily have a problem with that for one-off signings, so long as the manager gets most of what he wants in addition. Lowe brought in the likes of Crouch and Niemi over his managers' heads. The problem comes when you have more Delgados than you do successes. Forren (so far) and Mayuka are worrying trends.

 

How are they trends? They might be a trend, but even that against Boruc, Clyne, Yoshida, Fonte, Cork, Punch, Lambert Guly, Davis hardly represents a trend. You can evn add SDR to the former category if you like. Unless you thesis is the NC only signs the crap ones.

[The Kraken]

How are they trends? They might be a trend, but even that against Boruc, Clyne, Yoshida, Fonte, Cork, Punch, Lambert Guly, Davis hardly represents a trend. You can evn add SDR to the former category if you like. Unless you thesis is the NC only signs the crap ones.

 

Do I have to explain it? Especially as you listed a bunch of players who were signed under previous managers, who are entirely irrelevant to the point being made

 

OK, I'll do it, as you seem to be struggling.

 

Our last few players have without doubt been signed more by committee than by manager. I listed the two most worrying ones. Yoshida, well it seems from reading this board that he generally wasnt an Adkins signing. Boruc; by his own words he wasn't, he was absolutely a Cortese signing. Ramirez? Totally a committee signing; Adkins hardly knew a thing about him during the early days we were involved.

 

Perhaps its best you try and tell me how overt influence from the committee wasn't a trend in our last, say, 9 or 10 signings.

Edited 22 March, 2013 by The Kraken

[Brussels Saint]

I wonder if we get too precious about the prospect of transfers being not always 100% a managers decision.

 

I used to be of the old school British view that the manager should have complete control of this as he lives and dies by the results.

 

Recently though I wonder if the continental view of the "club" deciding on transfers, as being a better way forward.

 

This does not mean a manager (or as now seems more appropriate Head Coach) does not have his say, but is just one voice in the transfer committee. When it comes to making such huge investments it would seem crazy in any other business for 1 man only to make those choices.

 

I think British football is changing a lot in the way its clubs are being run and the likes of a Fergie or Wenger having such control over an entire club is a dying breed.

 

I say embrace the committee as I suspect we will still get duds to complain about and gems to celebrate....pretty much as we had always......the difference now is we can have more fun trying to identify who is behind which signing.

NC has his supporters and there are those claiming the influence of either NA or MP, but who out there will be Les Reed's flag waver.....come on I heard it on good authority that he alone pushed for Jack Cork when everyone else was against .... (That last bit was slightly made up)