Restark19 Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 I just wonder if teams are seeing that we don't have any pace, playing with a high line and that is congesting the game making is hard for players like Lallana and Ramirez to get between the lines and cause teams trouble. If we had Mayuka playing up front with Lambert, rather than Ramirez then that might push teams back creating more space for Ramirez. Oh, that doesn't work as Ramirez has made way for Mayuka in the first place. Certainly is things are not going well we need to consider this alternative approach. how about playing like this: ----------Gazza clyne fonte maya shaw --morgan cork lallana ---------ramirez -----Lambert Mayuka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 we certainly need something more at the front, didn't see the first half but I thought Lambert gave their central defence a 45 minute vacation in the second half. We need to find a solution to his hit and miss play. Lambert was very good weds pm and played well first half. Lallana was absolutely shocking today as was puncheon, so he didnt have any service. I thought that was as bad as ive ever seen lallana play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 I can't see Mayuka getting a game until he comes back from the African Cup of Nations. He was brilliant last year and if he plays as well this year he will give NA one serious headache. That said apart from today Puncheon has really upped his game but I really don't know why we signed Mayuka if we're never going to use him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 I might just be pig headed , but I just refuse to write Jos off. Everyone told me that Fonte was not up to it either and they were wrong. Yoshida has been worse than Jos IMO as Gazzinga has been worse than Davis. Long term perhaps that won't be the case. I'm in the same mind towards Jos too. He has cost us when he has played this season for sure, but has not been given the same opportunities to bed into the prem as much as the others. It's a bit like the Gazza situation. Competent, or even good in spells, then oops! Major screw up......Hell, it's best left to the people who see them in training every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 (edited) If we are as fit as Adkins claims then we should be able to handle 3 games in 6 days especially as 2 were at home. Sorry tiredness is a lame excuse and not good enough. When you come up against a big club having an off day it games like that you need to take at least a point. Edited 1 December, 2012 by Fitzhugh Fella sp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 RL's 40 yarder was on target so thats not true. We had 4 shots on target. Did not expect much, and not matter how much it was one way traffic, as long as it was only 1-0, there was always the chance that we could have got level, well until the final whistle that is. Not disappointed, but a win next week is a must, and also hoping for Reading to get tonked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Disappointed but not surprised. Playing 3 games in a week with no rotation is going to tell. Would have liked a few fresh legs thrown in personally in either midweek or today. Hope with a bit of rest they'll come back for big game next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 I can't see Mayuka getting a game until he comes back from the African Cup of Nations. He was brilliant last year and if he plays as well this year he will give NA one serious headache. That said apart from today Puncheon has really upped his game but I really don't know why we signed Mayuka if we're never going to use him Mayuka,Boruc,Guly......spot the trend there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Disappointed but not surprised. Playing 3 games in a week with no rotation is going to tell. Would have liked a few fresh legs thrown in personally in either midweek or today. Hope with a bit of rest they'll come back for big game next week. strange that Cork was subbed though, he's only played 4 and a bit games this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 If we are as fit as Adkins claimes then we should be able to handle 3 games in 6 days especially as 2 were at home. Sorry tiredness is a lame excuse and not good enough. When you come up against a big club having an off day it games like that you need to take at least a point. I agree with what you say about physical fitness. I wonder though about our mental fitness. It has to be a tough job making our players feel like winners all the time when we clearly have problems in some aspects of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Lallana was particularly poor and Ramirez needs to play the simple pass more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Gazzaniga 5 some shots were stopped, but spilled a few too that on anther day would have been tucked away Cylne 8 solid game. Never really beaten Fonte 6 some mistakes such as being mugged from a long ball from their keeper FFS. But pretty solid game. Yoshida 5 given a tough time again, but by a top top striker. Some woeful passing Shaw 5 looked a bit sluggish, although he does have a casual style I have noticed. Not given much cover by Lallana and they are very dangerous down that right side. Did pretty well to keep Stirling under relative wraps. Passing pretty awry at times though. Morgan 5 nowhere to be seen in the first half, a little more prominent in the second with some good defensive stuff and great pace. Need much more. Not been up to his highest standards in quite a lot of games this season. Cork 4 Game past him by. Ball got stuck under his feet. Chasing shadows. Rightly subbed. He's been brilliant since he came back but not today IMO. Puncheon 5 did absolutely nothing first half. Better in the second, but created very little overall. Some good defensive stuff, but after the great display on Wednesday I was hoping for a little more. He ran the game then, but not today. Lallana 5 see Puncheon Ramirez 4 given a free role he has to deliver but has failed badly in the last 1.5 games. Made a lot of poor choices, perhaps because he is starved of ball. Trying too hard. It will come good. Got to work harder to stop teams playing out from the back unless that was an Adkins tactic to sit back Lambert 7 won headers and lead the line as well as he could, but no support and too much to do. Also has to work harder across the line to stop teams passing from the back. His lack of pace and movement means we are not stretching defences. We need to work them down the flanks more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 I can't see Mayuka getting a game until he comes back from the African Cup of Nations. He was brilliant last year and if he plays as well this year he will give NA one serious headache. That said apart from today Puncheon has really upped his game but I really don't know why we signed Mayuka if we're never going to use him It's getting ridiculous. I have supported Adkins throughout but I am starting to understand those who say he is tactically naive. Listened to the Solent commentary and it was clear lambert and Lallana were off their game and Rod and Mayuka should have been on. My eyes roll heavenward at the comment that the players were tired. That's why you have a squad and need to use it. Adkins isn't. He keeps sending the same team out and seems surprised they can't win. Liverpool mauled us and yet at 1-0 we still could have taken something from that game. Not sure Adkins wanted to. (sigh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Gazzaniga 5 some shots were stopped, but spilled a few too that on anther day would have been tucked away Cylne 8 solid game. Never really beaten Fonte 6 some mistakes such as being mugged from a long ball from their keeper FFS. But pretty solid game. Yoshida 5 given a tough time again, but by a top top striker. Some woeful passing Shaw 5 looked a bit sluggish, although he does have a casual style I have noticed. Not given much cover by Lallana and they are very dangerous down that right side. Did pretty well to keep Stirling under relative wraps. Passing pretty awry at times though. Morgan 5 nowhere to be seen in the first half, a little more prominent in the second with some good defensive stuff and great pace. Need much more. Not been up to his highest standards in quite a lot of games this season. Cork 4 Game past him by. Ball got stuck under his feet. Chasing shadows. Rightly subbed. He's been brilliant since he came back but not today IMO. Puncheon 5 did absolutely nothing first half. Better in the second, but created very little overall. Some good defensive stuff, but after the great display on Wednesday I was hoping for a little more. He ran the game then, but not today. Lallana 5 see Puncheon Ramirez 4 given a free role he has to deliver but has failed badly in the last 1.5 games. Made a lot of poor choices, perhaps because he is starved of ball. Trying too hard. It will come good. Got to work harder to stop teams playing out from the back unless that was an Adkins tactic to sit back Lambert 7 won headers and lead the line as well as he could, but no support and too much to do. Also has to work harder across the line to stop teams passing from the back. His lack of pace and movement means we are not stretching defences. We need to work them down the flanks more. Thought puncheon was average at best wednesday tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 1 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2012 strange that Cork was subbed though, he's only played 4 and a bit games this season and three of those in a week...bet he was blowing out his arse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Saw second half. looked a bit tired all over the park resulting in some slack passing and mistakes.Not enough chances created going forward. A bit of pace and spark may well have brought home a point. Liverpool were good... but not totally unplayable. a stronger side might have beaten them today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 First half Liverpool dominated and we were poor, second half was a improvement, but still average from us. Like said the players looked tired, especially Shaw and Puncheon. And why does Nigel wait so long with bringing Rodriquez on? Against Newcastle and today he seemed lively. Players need a good rest this week with 2 massive games coming up for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Jos is as quick as him, better in the air, organises better, offers better positional play and actually tackles and bullies players. Yoshida is more comfortable on the ball and doesn't dive in, but that's it. His pas beenattrocious in the last three games. Jos should have been given more time to find his feet anmight have got back to his best by now. Jos as quick as yoshida? Don't think that's true. Tackles and bullies...yes giving away penalties with clumsy challenges. He scores own goals and did you see him at arsenal for 20 minutes...that defence had no organisation. I agree yoshida has not been convincing and is inconsistent with a centre back the priority in January but jos was found out very early in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 how about playing like this: ----------Gazza clyne fonte maya shaw --morgan cork lallana ---------ramirez -----Lambert Mayuka absolutely not for me. Our fullbacks need to be protected by right and left midfielders. right now we are playing 4-4-1-1 or possibly even 4-4-2 as Ramirez is pretty much playing up front. Since have made our wide player drop deeper we have been much harder to beat and that has to stay. It's all about what the two up front do for me. If Ramirez is not causing teams a problem then we need to consider changing the strikers in a game. Right now he seems to be unsubbable (and I am not starting another one of those bull**** Guly 15 minute rumours). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Saints may have looked tired, but the same could be said about Liverpool too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Reading just scored.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Thought puncheon was average at best wednesday tbh. I know he was outstanding at QPR, but I thought he had a good game on Wednesday, but then again my memory sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Gazzinga 7- needs to stop wasting time and I want davis in but played better. Clyne 8-Class. Fonte 7-Improved a lot. Yoshida 5-Jos is worse though. Shaw 5-Poor game today, everything came from his wing. Morgan 5-Needs to stop bigging us up and perform Cork 6-Tried his best. Lallana 2-Useless, worst performance in a saints shirt, be strong and stop falling over ffs. Puncheon 5-offered little. Ramirez 6-rubbish 1st half decent second. Lambert 6-Very good first half, didnt win a lot but got sod all service 2nd. Subs; J-rod 6-Great run, had 3 players to pass to though and passed to them! S davis 4-contribution was to give it away under no pressure when we had a good position and then we nearly conceded. Why is mayuka not playing??? we havent any pace and teams can play a high line denying us space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 absolutely not for me. Our fullbacks need to be protected by right and left midfielders. right now we are playing 4-4-1-1 or possibly even 4-4-2 as Ramirez is pretty much playing up front. Since have made our wide player drop deeper we have been much harder to beat and that has to stay. It's all about what the two up front do for me. If Ramirez is not causing teams a problem then we need to consider changing the strikers in a game. Right now he seems to be unsubbable (and I am not starting another one of those bull**** Guly 15 minute rumours). Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 jos was found out very early in this league. Everyone was found out very early in this league, but some were given longer to learn. I'm not defending whether or not Jos should get more playing time, I'm just defending his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 If we are as fit as Adkins claims then we should be able to handle 3 games in 6 days especially as 2 were at home. Sorry tiredness is a lame excuse and not good enough. When you come up against a big club having an off day it games like that you need to take at least a point. Indeed what has happened to 'saints fit'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickylambert Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Reading 1 united 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Jos as quick as yoshida? Don't think that's true. Tackles and bullies...yes giving away penalties with clumsy challenges. He scores own goals and did you see him at arsenal for 20 minutes...that defence had no organisation. I agree yoshida has not been convincing and is inconsistent with a centre back the priority in January but jos was found out very early in this league. I'll be honest I didn't see the Arsenal game as I was on holiday, but we were a shambles at WBA with Yoshida leading the way in ineptitude. The own goals thing means nothing. The best centre backs in world football have scored them. Tough position these days what with marking old school bruisers like Carroll (I thought Jos did a decent job on him by the way) and nippy superstars like Tevez, so perhaps we are all far too hard on them, but the very basic I expect is a player that wins headers and does his best to dominate the striker one way of the other. Not sure when we have SToke, but if Yoshida plays ahead of Jos we could well have a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Adkins post match interview anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Indeed what has happened to 'saints fit'? Looking tired does not mean being tired. I thought they looked mentally jaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 On my way home from the game. Disappointing but a poor performance. If we'd won on Weds we'd be looking on this as disappointing but not bad Yes we looked tired (btw it was 3 games in 7 says, not 6) but a lot if effort was up into closing down in the first half. Ricky was ineffective in the second half. Gaston trying to do too much. We gave the ball away too often in promising positions. I didn't think Liverpool were poor at all. This was a tough game and it could have been worse. We needed a slice of luck today to get something but it didn't happen. Next week is far more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 On my way home from the game. Disappointing but a poor performance. If we'd won on Weds we'd be looking on this as disappointing but not bad Yes we looked tired (btw it was 3 games in 7 says, not 6) but a lot if effort was up into closing down in the first half. Ricky was ineffective in the second half. Gaston trying to do too much. We gave the ball away too often in promising positions. I didn't think Liverpool were poor at all. This was a tough game and it could have been worse. We needed a slice of luck today to get something but it didn't happen. Next week is far more important. We didnt get the ball forward to rickie quick enough as charlie nicholas just has said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Reading 1 united 2 Bloody hell! I didn't even have time to get suitably upset! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Reading 2 United 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Indeed what has happened to 'saints fit'? **** pre-season. Cork got injured so it had to be a terrible pre-season. We should have sacked Adkins, his heart clearly wasn't in it. He got it all wrong. Should have had the players running up hills for 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Reading 2-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Looking tired does not mean being tired. I thought they looked mentally jaded. From what? We played exactly the same days as Liverpool and two of our games were at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 2-2 at Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Thought puncheon was average at best wednesday tbh. I thought he was a close second for Saints player of the match, after Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Reading all over united at the mo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 **** pre-season. Cork got injured so it had to be a terrible pre-season. We should have sacked Adkins, his heart clearly wasn't in it. He got it all wrong. Should have had the players running up hills for 6 weeks. Strachan once said he got players so fit because tired players make tired mistakes. Some players looked tired in the second half on Wednesday, it's no surprise they were lack lustre today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 1 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2012 unreal Reading 3-2 after 25mins.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 3-2 Reading, what a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Reading 3 united 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Looking tired does not mean being tired. I thought they looked mentally jaded. From what? We played exactly the same days as Liverpool and two of our games were at home. From what? How should I know why they did not look sharp mentally? I don't think when we played versus when Liverpool played would have anything to do with it though. Saints just looked like they had a brain problem to me. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 From what? We played exactly the same days as Liverpool and two of our games were at home. did not Liverpool have players on the pitch today who didn't play on Wednesday, Shelvey, Lucas perhaps. That's our problem, we have a first XI and a couple of bench options and that's about it. 25 players in the "squad" and about 13 first team options, the rest is just dead wood and won't get a game until hell freezes over type players.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 3-2 Reading? OK, now I'm upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 did not Liverpool have players on the pitch today who didn't play on Wednesday, Shelvey, Lucas perhaps. That's our problem, we have a first XI and a couple of bench options and that's about it. Which is why I dont understand why Nige isn't using the squad more, what's Mayuka done wrong? Why wasnt he brought on to add some much needed energy and pace? Why was Rodriguez not brought on until 12 minutes to go? I didn't expect to get anything today and I don't blame the players for being tired, but I find it strange we aren't using the squad more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Strachan once said he got players so fit because tired players make tired mistakes. Some players looked tired in the second half on Wednesday, it's no surprise they were lack lustre today. difficult. Adkins wants to keep a settled side, but Davis and Prowse have shown they can do it at this level. Mayuka has been bright when coming on. I wonder if Fix might have played if fit? We could have played Guly out wide (he did a great job away at West Ham wide left), but there would be meltdown on here if we did that - leaving with no left or right midfield cover. Balance of the squad must be off. Funny a few weeks back some were concerned about the lack of central midfield options when in fact its left and right midfield that we are actually short - unless de Ridder counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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