The Kraken Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 I'm sure you'd hold the exact same opinion if we paid them the most... What, seeking some actual proof that this is the case?? Yes, I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 I'm sure you'd hold the exact same opinion if we paid them the most... What, seeking some actual proof that this is the case?? Yes, I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 (edited) Edit, duplicate. Edited 30 November, 2012 by Saint_clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 (edited) Edit, duplicate. Edited 30 November, 2012 by Saint_clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 It's on the Premier Leagues website, what more evidence do you want? http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/premier-league-release-agents-fees-nov-2012.html That'll do. Fair play for keeping the figure so low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 It's on the Premier Leagues website, what more evidence do you want? http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/premier-league-release-agents-fees-nov-2012.html That'll do. Fair play for keeping the figure so low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Interesting that both Reading and WHU are so much higher than us having spent the same time in the same leagues over the period analyzed ! I'm delighted to see these figures as I totally object to any of my ticket money going to these leeches ! The players should pay a fee to their agents as they work on their behalf ! I see no reason why the clubs should pay them at all !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Interesting that both Reading and WHU are so much higher than us having spent the same time in the same leagues over the period analyzed ! I'm delighted to see these figures as I totally object to any of my ticket money going to these leeches ! The players should pay a fee to their agents as they work on their behalf ! I see no reason why the clubs should pay them at all !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Same old agendas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Same old agendas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 I think it's a safe assumption that agents don't like us because they get f*ck all money from us, not because we are "difficult to deal with" as was always widely accepted. Makes no difference if we get relegated because we didn't land the required players. When agents say we are difficult to deal with, it obviously involves money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 I think it's a safe assumption that agents don't like us because they get f*ck all money from us, not because we are "difficult to deal with" as was always widely accepted. Makes no difference if we get relegated because we didn't land the required players. When agents say we are difficult to deal with, it obviously involves money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Interesting that both Reading and WHU are so much higher than us having spent the same time in the same leagues over the period analyzed ! I'm delighted to see these figures as I totally object to any of my ticket money going to these leeches ! The players should pay a fee to their agents as they work on their behalf ! I see no reason why the clubs should pay them at all !! Absolutely. I'm amazed clubs ever even agreed to paying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Interesting that both Reading and WHU are so much higher than us having spent the same time in the same leagues over the period analyzed ! I'm delighted to see these figures as I totally object to any of my ticket money going to these leeches ! The players should pay a fee to their agents as they work on their behalf ! I see no reason why the clubs should pay them at all !! Absolutely. I'm amazed clubs ever even agreed to paying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Interesting that both Reading and WHU are so much higher than us having spent the same time in the same leagues over the period analyzed ! I'm delighted to see these figures as I totally object to any of my ticket money going to these leeches ! The players should pay a fee to their agents as they work on their behalf ! I see no reason why the clubs should pay them at all !! Of course that's right; but football is a strange anomaly where its considered standard practise for the club to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Interesting that both Reading and WHU are so much higher than us having spent the same time in the same leagues over the period analyzed ! I'm delighted to see these figures as I totally object to any of my ticket money going to these leeches ! The players should pay a fee to their agents as they work on their behalf ! I see no reason why the clubs should pay them at all !! Of course that's right; but football is a strange anomaly where its considered standard practise for the club to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 £646,105 too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 £646,105 too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 I think it's a safe assumption that agents don't like us because they get f*ck all money from us, not because we are "difficult to deal with" as was always widely accepted. So if an agent has a player on his books and he can make £100k from selling him to say, Stoke or £3k from selling him to us, which club do you think he is going to recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 I think it's a safe assumption that agents don't like us because they get f*ck all money from us, not because we are "difficult to deal with" as was always widely accepted. So if an agent has a player on his books and he can make £100k from selling him to say, Stoke or £3k from selling him to us, which club do you think he is going to recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Certainly on the face of it, good news, none of us want to pay out anymore to agents than we need to. However, could this also be a reason why we've missed out on signings in key areas? Also, am I right in thinking that clubs use agents in lots of different situations and not only when buying players? They are often used by selling clubs and we haven't sold anyone in that period, which might contribute to the figure being low? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Yay! NC is a genius! Hard to deal with = "go away you nasty money grabbing thief of an agent" Impressive we got Gaston in playing that game too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 So if an agent has a player on his books and he can make £100k from selling him to say, Stoke or £3k from selling him to us, which club do you think he is going to recommend? What has that got to do with what I said? The fact is we aren't difficult to deal with at all, it's pretty simple. If you don't like the fact that the agent won't get paid much by us, then go somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 What has that got to do with what I said? The fact is we aren't difficult to deal with at all, it's pretty simple. If you don't like the fact that the agent won't get paid much by us, then go somewhere else. How do you know we aren't difficult to deal with? At all? Seems like an assumption to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Certainly on the face of it, good news, none of us want to pay out anymore to agents than we need to. However, could this also be a reason why we've missed out on signings in key areas? Also, am I right in thinking that clubs use agents in lots of different situations and not only when buying players? They are often used by selling clubs and we haven't sold anyone in that period, which might contribute to the figure being low? I'd say almost certainly yes. But there's no point in having a principle if you're not going to stick to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 How do you know we aren't difficult to deal with? At all? Seems like an assumption to me. Fair enough, poorly worded on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Well it's no wonder we never brought in any defenders or missed out on so many. As for West Ham's league position come back in 7 games time and gloat. They now face a repetition of Saints opening 7 games. They've had it easy till now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 So if an agent has a player on his books and he can make £100k from selling him to say, Stoke or £3k from selling him to us, which club do you think he is going to recommend? Too simplistic and no reason to think that NC's stance isn't a good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Maybe we are `7th highest spenders' (there is no actual facts on this by the way, just speculation) because we pay pretty much all the fee to the cubs directly and they then possibly pay the agents themselves rather than pay less to the clubs and more to the agent. Who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Breaks your heart............ If you are an agent. Nice to see one of the pimples on the backside of Football getting short shrift from NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 I bet Pompey have spent round about the same as us in the same time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Maybe we are `7th highest spenders' (there is no actual facts on this by the way, just speculation) because we pay pretty much all the fee to the cubs directly and they then possibly pay the agents themselves rather than pay less to the clubs and more to the agent. Who knows... This sounds plausible. You can't sign players in the modern game without making agents rich. It would be interesting to see the fees paid to agents by the clubs that have done business with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Maybe that's why we're so "hard to deal with". ...and don't have a decent defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 (edited) Full marks to NC IMO. It probably shows why we didn't buy Buttner which was a good decision as he and his agent were only after the most that they could get financially upfront. Edited 1 December, 2012 by TopGun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 we should get a place in the Europa League for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Full marks to NC IMO. It probably shows why we didn't buy Buttner which was a good decision as he and his agent were only after the most that they could get financially upfront. Has he actually played yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Totaally with NC on this one,all football agents are parasites allegedly. I agree....and of course they are in for a good % of the fee and the players salary , too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Has he actually played yet? He di play in one game. I think he scored in one game, but was red-carded in another? .and gave away a penalty in one and was subbed early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 So if an agent has a player on his books and he can make £100k from selling him to say, Stoke or £3k from selling him to us, which club do you think he is going to recommend? Far better to offer a decent salary to the player ...and the agent would get his % anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanstubbs Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 there were at least two agents at the game on Wednesday one was artur fernandes (fonte's i think) and a claudio vigorelli anyone know if he represents one of our players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Interesting that both Reading and WHU are so much higher than us having spent the same time in the same leagues over the period analyzed ! I'm delighted to see these figures as I totally object to any of my ticket money going to these leeches ! The players should pay a fee to their agents as they work on their behalf ! I see no reason why the clubs should pay them at all !! I agree, but presumably the clubs pay the agents because it is tax deductible for the clubs, but not for the player. Still the money we saved allows us more transfer funds, think who we could buy for the difference in the money we paid compared to our rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Nicola is MOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Not sure about this but I think clubs tend to pay more to agents when they're trying to sell players than buying them. I mean with about 35 million of incoming transfers for the year we didn't pay much at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Agents are one of the main reasons football costs have gone up loads in my opinion. They need to bring in some rules to curb how mucg they can charge. Getting millions for speaking on soneone elses half for a few days is excessive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 It's laudable that we take the morale high ground, but when we did that in the Spring of 2004 it set off a chain of events that saw us drop to League 1. Still I am sure the vocal minority were happy to put the morale high ground before the best football decision for the club. IMO you run with the hounds or accept the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 June, 2013 Hats off to Cortese on this one. It would appear he's told Wanyama's agent(s) where to stick their supposed 7 figure demand for answering a few phone calls. Any chance this might spark a few other chairmen into doing the same or is the football 'industry' too far up its own arse for the 'Cortese effect' to start trickling through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 Why do footballers even need agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 Spend an evening talking to Jason mcateer and you will realise why!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 June, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 June, 2013 Why do footballers even need agents? I can see the need for an agent from a player's perspective - they are probably better placed to negotiate the best deal for the player than the player is himself. I just think that the authorities should ban 'buyer fees' and put the burden of paying the agents onto the player or the selling club. Ok, that will probably lead to the selling club inflating the price so that they recoup some or all of the agent fee but at least it would remove a blockage in the transfer system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 25 June, 2013 Share Posted 25 June, 2013 I'm guessing nobody who has contributed to this thread is a recruitment agent?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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