Saint in Paradise Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Video evidence strongly suggesting that the first two times he is thought to have passed under a yellow he didn't so was a legal move. However the third time he did pass under yellow so should be dropped to eighth lose 4 points so Mr Alonso wins championship by one point. Long video of almost 13 minutes the real bit is towards the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LFER0esusF0 Be interesting to see if the FIA take action as they only have until 30th November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmonkey1979 Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Looks pretty clear cut to me. I guess we'll see what the FIA are made of in this instance. I really don't envy their position here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Something is going on here. This was spotted by the host broadcaster during the race. It was replayed and Sky commented on it live. So why didn't Ferrari protest during the race? The staff at the track, or their extended team would surely have known at the time. Why wait until 4 days after the race to say they are considering an appeal? More F1 political posturing? Ferrari to rule out an appeal for the good of the sport would be my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 29 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 November, 2012 According to the man who posted the video SKY didn't show that 3rd pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 According to the man who posted the video SKY didn't show that 3rd pass. Oh, I see Saint in Paradise. That makes a bit more sense now. Still can't see Ferrari pursuing this though. Perhaps it will go down in folk lore as the title that was wrongly awarded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 But of course, arsing about with gear boxes is all completely fair play. Might be legal, but in the spirit of driving. is it F&&k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Ferrari and Alcockso should **** off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 James Allen thinks that before the green light there was a marshall waving a green flag somewhere, implying Vettel will be ok. Can't see it myself though in the video http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 James Allen thinks that before the green light there was a marshall waving a green flag somewhere, implying Vettel will be ok. Can't see it myself though in the video http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638 I can see it, on the raised platform on the left of the track at 10-11 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 http://s7.directupload.net/images/121128/xq7wq2yp.gif As tweeted by Jake H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 BBC Sport @BBCSport BREAKING: Ferrari write to Formula 1’s governing body asking for a clarification of Sebastian Vettel’s controversial pass in Brazil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 http://sniffpetrol.com/2012/11/29/ferrari-to-challenge-christmas/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Ferrari and Alonso are a bunch of bad losers, who also think the sport owes them something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 I can't see them getting anywhere. The FIA won't change things now if there's any way they can avoid it, and I think it's all too ambiguous to be certain. Also, the Torro Rosso backs right off and pulls to one side, what's he meant to do? Sit behind it? It's not exactly a racing overtake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
los_saint Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 It's not sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 It's not sport. Gentlemen. Start your engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Leave it as it is, then we can stick him on the "Nasty German drivers we don't like" shelf to keep Schumacher company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1885 Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 FIA already said he saw a green flag before the green lights. So no need to get upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Leave it as it is, then we can stick him on the "Nasty German drivers we don't like" shelf to keep Schumacher company. Schumacher on several occasions ran his closest competitor in the Drivers Championship off the track in the last race, meaning that he won the Championship by default. He is a prize sh*t. The similarities between him and Vettel stop at both driving F1 cars. Vettel to the best of my knowledge has never done anything like that. Really, Brits need to get past the "all Germans are arrogant genocidal arseholes who have their Beezelbub horns cut off shortly after birth" menatlity. It makes us look paranoid, petty and plain stupid. We have a massive amount of common ground culturally with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Schumacher on several occasions ran his closest competitor in the Drivers Championship off the track in the last race, meaning that he won the Championship by default. He is a prize sh*t. The similarities between him and Vettel stop at both driving F1 cars. Vettel to the best of my knowledge has never done anything like that. Really, Brits need to get past the "all Germans are arrogant genocidal arseholes who have their Beezelbub horns cut off shortly after birth" menatlity. It makes us look paranoid, petty and plain stupid. We have a massive amount of common ground culturally with them. Got to agree with this. Vettel seems a genuinely decent chap. In contrast to the charmless, scheming Schumacher, and the petulant, histrionic Alonso who couldn't hack being destroyed on track by Lewis at McClaren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Got to agree with this. Vettel seems a genuinely decent chap. In contrast to the charmless, scheming Schumacher, and the petulant, histrionic Alonso who couldn't hack being destroyed on track by Lewis at McClaren. Yep, I was going to write something similar in my post. The real inheritor of the "F1 spolit bastard" title from Schumacher is Alonso. Someone remind me which team they both ended up at for large periods of their racing career ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Yep, I was going to write something similar in my post. The real inheritor of the "F1 spolit bastard" title from Schumacher is Alonso. Someone remind me which team they both ended up at for large periods of their racing career ??? That team are no better. Not a massive Vettel fan myself (probably just sheer jealousy if I'm honest - he's clearly a great driver), but given the choice between him & Alonso, it's a no brainer. F*ck Alonso & F*ck Ferrari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 You know the really bizarre thing ? Didnt Ferrari break the seal on Massa's gearbox so that he got put back to the grid, pushing Alonso up one grid position closer to Vettel ? If that isnt f**king cheating, I dont know what is. Its like when the Italian national team wore those really stretchy kit tops in one tournament, to show up shirt pulling, when actually they are the biggest culprits and it takes the mindset of a perpetrator to come up with a solution.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 You know the really bizarre thing ? Didnt Ferrari break the seal on Massa's gearbox so that he got put back to the grid, pushing Alonso up one grid position closer to Vettel ? If that isnt f**king cheating, I dont know what is. Its like when the Italian national team wore those really stretchy kit tops in one tournament, to show up shirt pulling, when actually they are the biggest culprits and it takes the mindset of a perpetrator to come up with a solution.. I must have missed that, I was a bit patchy in following the F1 this year, but it sounds completely believable. It's another reason I dislike Ferrari - deliberately having a 'weaker' racer/car decreases competition, the same goes for Alonso, as it just shows his petulance. I have to be #1 in my team or I am going to throw a massive sulk, why not just go out and beat your team-mate? Ferrari have always gotten away with murder, then have the cheek to play the victim at every given opportunity. Seriously, **** 'em. I hope McLaren & Red Bull d!ck them next year. Be interesting to see how Mercedes do. I reckon Brawn might have something up his sleeve again, I mean surely they do if Hamilton has gone there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 There are seemingly no limits to the depths that Ferrari will plumb. The difference is, in contrast to previous eras, the FIA/Ecclestone do seem a bit less willing to turn a blind eye to their cheating machinations. Previously they seemed to indulge or even collude with Ferrari, and had the attitude that Ferrari is F1 and the sport 'needed' them to win. In reality, the Ferrari/Schumacher hegemony for all those years was one of the dullest periods in F1 history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 I'm tempted. But ...... nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Schumacher on several occasions ran his closest competitor in the Drivers Championship off the track in the last race, meaning that he won the Championship by default. He is a prize sh*t. The similarities between him and Vettel stop at both driving F1 cars. Vettel to the best of my knowledge has never done anything like that. Really, Brits need to get past the "all Germans are arrogant genocidal arseholes who have their Beezelbub horns cut off shortly after birth" menatlity. It makes us look paranoid, petty and plain stupid. We have a massive amount of common ground culturally with them. True, but its interesting that folk 'forget' that Senna and Prost both did this to each other - with Senna neary pushing Prost into the pit wall at 200mph - which was the end of any mutual understanding - yet neither was German so dont get laballed as nasty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 The FIA's love in with Ferrari stopped as soon as Mosley went. During the Schumacher era it was unbelievable what they got away with even when they did have by far the best car. Two examples off the top of my head include Schumacher winning the British GP despite being allowed to take a 10 second stop/go penalty after crossing the finish line, and having Alonso (who was at Renault) deducted 5 grid positions at the Italian GP one year when he drove 150 yards in front of a Ferrari at Monza. For the latter Brundle was almost openly accusing Mosley of rigging it during the gridwalk. I don't really get the hate regarding questioning this incident though. All Ferrari did was ask for clarification and they got it. Can we really blame them when the entire driver's title could be decided on it? Any other team would have done the same. Schumacher bored the hell out of me as well 8-12 years ago but one way of dealing with it is hearing why Kimi Raikkonen missed a ceremony where Schumacher was awarded a lifetime achievement award at the Brazilian GP about 5 years ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MlsMVzrp2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Anyone who followed F1 in the days of Senna will know he was a dirty wotsit when he wanted to be and did things just as bad as Schumacher. He did however get a very raw deal from Balestre, the FIA chief who was practically in bed with Prost. Schumacher had no such problems, he was just dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 December, 2012 Share Posted 4 December, 2012 The FIA's love in with Ferrari stopped as soon as Mosley went. During the Schumacher era it was unbelievable what they got away with even when they did have by far the best car. Two examples off the top of my head include Schumacher winning the British GP despite being allowed to take a 10 second stop/go penalty after crossing the finish line, and having Alonso (who was at Renault) deducted 5 grid positions at the Italian GP one year when he drove 150 yards in front of a Ferrari at Monza. For the latter Brundle was almost openly accusing Mosley of rigging it during the gridwalk. I don't really get the hate regarding questioning this incident though. All Ferrari did was ask for clarification and they got it. Can we really blame them when the entire driver's title could be decided on it? Any other team would have done the same. Schumacher bored the hell out of me as well 8-12 years ago but one way of dealing with it is hearing why Kimi Raikkonen missed a ceremony where Schumacher was awarded a lifetime achievement award at the Brazilian GP about 5 years ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MlsMVzrp2o How does this defence fit with Luca Di Montezemolo's abuse of Bernie Ecclestone today in the Press ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20579360 Ahhhh. Poor Luca. Someone said "no" to Ferrari... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinger Posted 4 December, 2012 Share Posted 4 December, 2012 How does this defence fit with Luca Di Montezemolo's abuse of Bernie Ecclestone today in the Press ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20579360 Ahhhh. Poor Luca. Someone said "no" to Ferrari... To my mind, regardless of the spin that article puts on it, that sounds like two old friends taking the p1ss out of each other in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 4 December, 2012 Share Posted 4 December, 2012 How does this defence fit with Luca Di Montezemolo's abuse of Bernie Ecclestone today in the Press ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20579360 Ahhhh. Poor Luca. Someone said "no" to Ferrari... What abuse? It's just two old mates having a jocular pop at one another through the press which some journalist has tried to turn into a story. The only slight thing that Ecclestone commented on was Ferrari being a bit public with their request for clarification but Bernie himself says in the article "No, Luca is a lovely guy, I'm probably as a big a supporter of him as anybody. I am a big admirer of Luca's". There's LDM's usual moan about the testing restrictions and their bound to moan because it massively benefited them back in the day when FIA might as well have stood for 'Ferrari's International Assistance', and secondly they were the only team to invest in their own test track which the current rules make pretty much redundant. A complete non-story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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