Appy Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 3 and half hours since Full Time and still no build up thread. Here we go. Gazza has to be dropped for me, he is an accident waiting to happen and tonight the accident happened, our defence needs experience between the sticks.
S-Clarke Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Anfield isn't the arena for a nervous, young, GK. They'll probably beat us, which is to be expected, but we have a bit more about us these days so I hope we make a game of it.
Appy Posted 29 November, 2012 Author Posted 29 November, 2012 Shame Suarez didn't get booked tonight so he will of missed Saturday's game. Sterling against Shaw will be an interesting battle.
SNSUN Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 I'll take a point. Still I reckon we'll get a win against a "big" team, and as we'll be the underdogs for this one, we should perform without fear and could potentially steal all 3 points from this one. It depends on which Liverpool team turns up.
saint_disco123 Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Keep gazza (cant keep changing, you cant improve unless you make mistakes) Dont want boruc anywhere near the teamsheet as still waiting for the "im sorry for having ago at my own fans but they started it" letter plus hes unfit and just a bad goalkeeper. I would like jay rod to have more game time and maybe mayuka to play as theres not point buying these players if they just sit on the bench and waste away. so same team but maybe jay rod and lambo with morgan on the bench? (hes looked abit dodgy to me latey)
St Marco Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Anything other then a loss would be an amazing result. I disagree about the Gazza thing above. It isn't the mistakes it is his overall level of ability that worries me. He is poor at coming for crosses, poor at kicking, poor at passes to the full backs, not very good at starting positions and doesn't seem to have much upper body strength. He spills way too many shots. Point being there are too many areas he is not good at and they are being exposed. Anfield is a very hostile place and the atmosphere could cause his fragile confidence even more damage. Time to put Kelvin back in there and play with the same outfield team as we have the last 4 games.
saint_disco123 Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 That I will agree with, I think kelvin deserves another chance.
pingwing Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Gazza's kicking generally has been amazing, was integral in picking apart both QPR and Newcastle. No idea what we are going to do though, Boruc seems to have insulted everyone and can't be bothered, Kelvin annoyed me in L1 by being beaten in the same place week in week (and 14 in 4 games is shocking by any standard) out so we are sort of stuck with Gazza, who has been our only keeper to keep a clean sheet. A point would be amazing, not expecting anything though. Just keen to see a good performance and Suarez sent off for being a ****. Amazed to see whats going to happen with our fitness levels though, several players should have been rested or given only 60 mins tonight...
tajjuk Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Keep gazza (cant keep changing, you cant improve unless you make mistakes) Dont want boruc anywhere near the teamsheet as still waiting for the "im sorry for having ago at my own fans but they started it" letter plus hes unfit and just a bad goalkeeper. I would like jay rod to have more game time and maybe mayuka to play as theres not point buying these players if they just sit on the bench and waste away. so same team but maybe jay rod and lambo with morgan on the bench? (hes looked abit dodgy to me latey) Gazza very much has to go, the mistakes are costing us points but his overall play is awful. One good save against Newcastle is about it in recent games, poor handling, looks nervous, poor decisions. The defence is looking settled, we need to remove the calamity behind them. As for Boruc, he shouldn't have thrown the bottle but the fans were idiots for having a go at him, the goals against Spurs weren't his fault and I think he had every right to give them stick back. Barracking one of your own players for no particular reason 30 mins into a game is idiotic. He's also our best keeper by far.
sammysaint Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 We can get a draw if we stop Suarez and Sterling we have every chance of winning, but Liverpool should still beat us, so long as we dont play crap and get smashed il be happy, reading at home is the biggest game of the season, il play gazza in liverpool game i actually think him having to be in action most of the game will help him get confident.
Shroppie Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Sterling against Shaw will be an interesting battle. If Shaw is fit. Sterling against Fox ......
trousers Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 If Shaw is fit. He came off with cramp last night
Shroppie Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Originally posted on the highly amusing goalkeeper flowchart thread, but hopefully relevant I still think Gazza is the least bad option at the moment but I have concerns. The defence seem to play better in fromt of him, but I suspect that is because there isn't a lot of confidence in him. It sems to me that we are more likely to hoof clear rather than a backpass with Gazzaniga in goal than we were with KD. Although his reactions are good, he has let in at least two goals (including last night) by not getting down and getting his body behind the ball, but instead parrying with too weak a touch which isn't enough to turn the shot away. Also, I've always assumed it is the keeper's responsibility at a free kick to decide on the size of the wall and line it up. Why did we only have three in the wall for Norwich's goal, and wht were they protecting an area just outside the goal? The invitation to shoot was obvious. And signing Boruc looks more and more like an ill-advised panic move. I wouldn't be surprised to see KD getting another chance before long.
Roger Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Originally posted on the highly amusing goalkeeper flowchart thread, but hopefully relevant I still think Gazza is the least bad option at the moment but I have concerns. The defence seem to play better in fromt of him, but I suspect that is because there isn't a lot of confidence in him. It sems to me that we are more likely to hoof clear rather than a backpass with Gazzaniga in goal than we were with KD. Although his reactions are good, he has let in at least two goals (including last night) by not getting down and getting his body behind the ball, but instead parrying with too weak a touch which isn't enough to turn the shot away. Also, I've always assumed it is the keeper's responsibility at a free kick to decide on the size of the wall and line it up. Why did we only have three in the wall for Norwich's goal, and wht were they protecting an area just outside the goal? The invitation to shoot was obvious. And signing Boruc looks more and more like an ill-advised panic move. I wouldn't be surprised to see KD getting another chance before long. 3 bad errors in 4 games? Costing us probably four points. Kelvin needs to play for me. Bad spell at start of season but who doesn't have a bad spell.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 There is no point in changing keeper - like it or not, Kelv's legs have gone and Boruc is a nutter - both of them are no better than Gazza. However, I do suspect we will see a change as Adkins was not happy after the Norwich game. Liverpool are there to be taken - a point at least should be expected - they are really not that much right now.
trousers Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 (edited) We're unbeaten in 4 games so same starting line up again for me, Gazza included. Given that I don't believe Liverpool will press us when in possession as much as Norwich did last night, I feel more confident of getting at least a draw out of this game than I did about getting a win vs Norwich. Would like to see Mayuka get a piece of the action in second half. Edited 29 November, 2012 by trousers
mbsfc87 Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Can't start thread but I have a spare £39 restricted view ticket for Saturday!! If anyone wants it email me buggy87@hotmail.co.uk
Thedelldays Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 I think we will lose. We looked tired yesterday and we have a goalie who is basically giving a goal a game away Just think this will be one game too many this week Get back on it against reading
pangy Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 For me if we persist with Gazza he will continue to make mistakes that will be costly we just have to pin our hopes that he does come good and if he doesnt??? we are screwed Give Boruc a decent run,he will be rusty for a few games maybe but when he gets "match fit" he will be awsome,he is only 32 ffs and has more experience than both our keepers put together,people waiting for a grovelling apology from a keeper known for his temperament are living in a dreamworld!!!
Appy Posted 29 November, 2012 Author Posted 29 November, 2012 Boruc or Davis need to play. Gazzaniga simply isn't ready to be in goal for us, we are not in a position to rely on a Goalkeeper who is so prone to being at fault for nearly a goal a game.
Window Cleaner Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Boruc or Davis need to play. Gazzaniga simply isn't ready to be in goal for us, we are not in a position to rely on a Goalkeeper who is so prone to being at fault for nearly a goal a game. Agreed, with goals so hard to come by in the PL you just can't give opponents freebies when you've worked so hard to get yours. We have 4 points less than we should have because our keeper just isn't good enough and that's without looking at anything pre-Gazza. It's the difference between nearly mid table and scrubbing about in the bottom 3. that's a vast amount of money at the end of the day and a lot of destructive anti-morale for the players.
Thedelldays Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 liverpool were very unlucky last night by all accounts and suarez ran the game but just did not score. see nothing but a comfortable win for them...we looked tired and the movement of suarez and serling will be too much IMO
redder freak Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 If Boruc has been working as hard in training as Nigel says he has, then I reckon he'll get the chance to show what he's worth. He's got the experience and he's the right age for the big stage.
Appy Posted 29 November, 2012 Author Posted 29 November, 2012 liverpool were very unlucky last night by all accounts and suarez ran the game but just did not score. see nothing but a comfortable win for them...we looked tired and the movement of suarez and serling will be too much IMO Not forgetting the England captain.
trousers Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 @officialsaints: "Quick turnaround!" announces Nigel as he enters today's press conference less than 18 hours after last night's game ended. #saintsfc @officialsaints: Adkins: "It's going to be a good game. They're a good footballing side, but we believe we're a good footballing side too." #saintsfc @officialsaints: Adkins: "The players have recovered well, and there's a spring in their steps because we're four unbeaten." #saintsfc @officialsaints: Nigel on Paulo Gazzaniga: "We've got to have confidence in him because we feel he's going to go to the very, very top." #saintsfc @officialsaints: Nigel on Paulo: "He's stood up and taken responsibility, and I think that's going to stand him in good stead for the future." #saintsfc @officialsaints: Adkins: "I was a schoolboy at @LFC - it's a club that's steeped in tradition. Going back to Merseyside is going to be great." #saintsfc @officialsaints: Nigel Adkins says Saints' injured trio of Frazer Richardson, @Rchap04 and Danny Fox are all moving close to full fitness. #saintsfc @officialsaints: Nigel Adkins on @LFC: "I enjoyed being there as a player, and I'm looking forward to going there as a manager." #saintsfc
trousers Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Is this the first (only?) game where we wear our white away kit?
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 I can not wait for this game, its a home game as such for me, Arkles I think for 12bells.
derry Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 @officialsaints: "Quick turnaround!" announces Nigel as he enters today's press conference less than 18 hours after last night's game ended. #saintsfc @officialsaints: Adkins: "It's going to be a good game. They're a good footballing side, but we believe we're a good footballing side too." #saintsfc @officialsaints: Adkins: "The players have recovered well, and there's a spring in their steps because we're four unbeaten." #saintsfc @officialsaints: Nigel on Paulo Gazzaniga: "We've got to have confidence in him because we feel he's going to go to the very, very top." #saintsfc @officialsaints: Nigel on Paulo: "He's stood up and taken responsibility, and I think that's going to stand him in good stead for the future." #saintsfc @officialsaints: Adkins: "I was a schoolboy at @LFC - it's a club that's steeped in tradition. Going back to Merseyside is going to be great." #saintsfc @officialsaints: Nigel Adkins says Saints' injured trio of Frazer Richardson, @Rchap04 and Danny Fox are all moving close to full fitness. #saintsfc @officialsaints: Nigel Adkins on @LFC: "I enjoyed being there as a player, and I'm looking forward to going there as a manager." #saintsfc There is no point in talking about Davis anymore, he is what he is. If he is picked it would surprise me but it's up to Adkins. Boruc is another matter, he is experienced but for whatever reason despite the experience, Adkins isn't picking him. I personally think that if he was the obvious improvement and has resolved the weight/fitness problem after two months training Adkins would already be picking him. The mere hint of the Friedel rumour, if true, would mean that the goalkeeper we bought for the future is the only viable alternative at the moment. If a now fit Boruc is picked on Saturday I would hope that it is because he is now the best goalkeeper not a last throw of the dice. I do think that Gazzaniga will continue in goal.
JackanorySFC Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Am I the only one that doesn't rate Sterling that highly? Decent player yes, but feel the fact he is a young English player at (an average) Liverpool and in this country we are always desperate for "the next big thing" he is getting talked up more than he actually delivers? Reminds me of a slightly weaker version of Aaron Lennon. Think the same re Zaha too. Against Saints the Palace fans were going crazy about him singing that "He's just too good for you" song 90 seconds into the game when actually Lallana ended up tearing them apart at home and away (I think he played well against our reserves in the League cup though) whilst both games seemed to pass him by? Then again I have a tendency to say that "X player" is rubbish moments before he either scores for us (Guly's done this a few times) or against us....
tajjuk Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Am I the only one that doesn't rate Sterling that highly? Decent player yes, but feel the fact he is a young English player at (an average) Liverpool and in this country we are always desperate for "the next big thing" he is getting talked up more than he actually delivers? Reminds me of a slightly weaker version of Aaron Lennon. Think the same re Zaha too. Against Saints the Palace fans were going crazy about him singing that "He's just too good for you" song 90 seconds into the game when actually Lallana ended up tearing them apart at home and away (I think he played well against our reserves in the League cup though) whilst both games seemed to pass him by? Then again I have a tendency to say that "X player" is rubbish moments before he either scores for us (Guly's done this a few times) or against us.... It's the pace, players with a lot of pace tend to get maybe over hyped. Suarez is a class act as a player, the best hope we have of stopping him is winding him up I rekcon. Definitely Boruc in for me, needs some games under his belt. Think our lads will be tired and Liverpool probably have more quality options to freshen up their squad than we do. Would like to see a good performance, come out with no injuries and see what happens but we shouldn't get too down if we loose, depsite their slow start Liverpool at Anfield is never going to be easy.
MOSaint Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Not entirely sure why some want KD back between the sticks, he's shown to be just as error prone as Gazzaniga this season and his distribution is much worse. Bigger question is why can't Boruc get near the team? Is he not yet match fit? Fallen out with Adkins?
Appy Posted 29 November, 2012 Author Posted 29 November, 2012 Not entirely sure why some want KD back between the sticks, he's shown to be just as error prone as Gazzaniga this season and his distribution is much worse. Bigger question is why can't Boruc get near the team? Is he not yet match fit? Fallen out with Adkins? Has he shown he is as error prone as Gazzaniga?
davefizzy14 Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Boruc in goal for me, same team otherwise
The Kraken Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Has he shown he is as error prone as Gazzaniga? He's conceded some soft goals and been beaten at his near post too often. You also saw the two errors in distribution against Man United; both of which could and should have been punished by goals just as Gazza's against Swansea was. On the flip side he saved two penalties, though both of them were very poor penalties, but still needed saving to be fair to him. Basically i don't see that either Davis or Gazzaniga are good enough. Sadly it will be one or the other, Boruc doesn't even make the bench so is clearly well out of the reckoning.
studentsaint Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 I think goalkeepers need to learn and gazza will improve. Boric and Davis both looked poor and are as good as they will ever be. If we persist with gazza so that he progresses as a goalkeeper we could be talking about one of the bargain buys in a few years with a settled, accomplished premier league goalie. If we swap to Davis, after two game the call will be for boric, then after another few games we will be back with gazza, confidence stricken and not as experienced. Because we have accumulated points against the teams we should, I'd like to see changes to the team, perhaps Mayuka in for Puncheon and Rodriguez getting a portion of the game (but Lambert must start at Mansfield). We can afford to lose this one and the team may be very tired and there for the taking.
Window Cleaner Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 I think goalkeepers need to learn and gazza will improve. Boric and Davis both looked poor and are as good as they will ever be. If we persist with gazza so that he progresses as a goalkeeper we could be talking about one of the bargain buys in a few years with a settled, accomplished premier league goalie. If we swap to Davis, after two game the call will be for boric, then after another few games we will be back with gazza, confidence stricken and not as experienced. Because we have accumulated points against the teams we should, I'd like to see changes to the team, perhaps Mayuka in for Puncheon and Rodriguez getting a portion of the game (but Lambert must start at Mansfield). We can afford to lose this one and the team may be very tired and there for the taking. Mansfield wtf is that?
SO16_Saint Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 What time are you leaving / route you taking for Saturday? looks like a 3.5/4 hour trip?
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Bit of magic from Gaston needed here I reckon.
MOSaint Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Has he shown he is as error prone as Gazzaniga? I would say so, let in goals near post every game he played this season before he got dropped, fundamental error IMO. Also made bad distribution errors v United that he was very lucky to get away with. Not saying he's necessarily worse than Gazzaniga, they are quite similar in ability. Ideally Boruc would be first choice, KD on the bench and Gazza would be on loan at a champ club for the season to gain some experience. unfortunately that doesn't look likely to happen.
skintsaint Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has been speaking ahead of Saturday's Premier League home game against Southampton, who were promoted from the Championship in May. He said: "Nigel Adkins has done a terrific job there. He's like a lot of British managers who have had to earn the right to come into the Premier League via promotion. He's done a brilliant job there the last couple of seasons, and in the last few games they have had good results."
slickmick Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 (edited) We'll lose this one. Edited 29 November, 2012 by slickmick Well spotted Appy.
Saint Garrett Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Where is everyone drinking? Going to this on my own, so be good to match up a few forum members to their faces !
Saints Fan Dan Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 1-0 victory for the Saints. Lambert grabbing the goal against the team he supports.
Wade Garrett Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 I think i'd rather have a fat Boruc in goal than Gazza.
Shroppie Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Where is everyone drinking? Going to this on my own, so be good to match up a few forum members to their faces ! I'll be in the Ship & Mitre (city centre). Great real ale if you like that sort if thing.
JustinR Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 Just watched Adkins and Morgans press conferences. Someone on here was saying after the Norwich game that Adkins sounded pretty down on Gazza and thought it likely he'd be dropped. I feel the opposite now, I think he'll play. Adkins was bigging him up. But it was Morgan that convinced me. He said "Im sure he'll (Gazza) will make some great saves on Saturday". He tried to change it to "if he plays" but said it all for me.
captainchris Posted 29 November, 2012 Posted 29 November, 2012 The big worry is that we looked tired all over the team against Norwich which was the main reason we didn't dominate them. I fancy a bit of rotation on Saturday, if only for a half or so. RL looked out on his feet and so did a few others...
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