The hindsight thread...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Maybe he would have done a better job than Davis. However, to suggest signing him as you originally did for that purpose is what people are debating. Especially as you positoned him as DMC

 

No I didn't though. He is not a defensive mid. We all know that. I said that initially he could have played ahead of Davis and then as a different option off the bench to play up the spine of the midfield.

 

I never said I wanted to sign him as a DM, but he could have played there early on. He also would have done well to replace Gaston when he got injured.

[Dig Dig]

We had one of the worst starts to a Premiership season in the history of the Premier League. After 10 games we had conceded more goals than any team has ever conceded in the Premier League. We were a laughing stock as to how poor we were. There were numerous news outlets that were 100% sure he was going to be sacked and that Redknapp was going to come in.

 

Yet as soon as he changes things, and whether coincidence or not, changes the team selections, substitutions etc to match the issues that I identified ( I do agree Cork being back has made a massive difference) people got all uppity and said that these were not the reasons and haven't contributed to us playing better, purely because they didn't want me to be right. And that is the crux of the issue. People will read whatever they want to into posts, will argue black is white etc, just so that they are not seen to be agreeing with someone they don't like... IMHO of course.

 

We haven't been a laughing stock.....maybe only for you.

 

We've played well gojng forwards and gained a lot of plaudits for that only. Defensively we have been poor, largely down to individual errors, not team shape.

 

It's always been clear that the players give 100% and play for Adkins. The team is maturing and learning and we have our best side available to play in a series of games for the first time this season. Many posters looked forward with positivity despite our poor start and were consistently told that Adkins had lost it and we would get relegated by easter etc. You're as guilty as anyone for not respecting other peoples opinion yet you refuse to see that.

[Dig Dig]

No I didn't though. He is not a defensive mid. We all know that. I said that initially he could have played ahead of Davis and then as a different option off the bench to play up the spine of the midfield.

 

I never said I wanted to sign him as a DM, but he could have played there early on. He also would have done well to replace Gaston when he got injured.

 

Re-read your posts, lots of contradictions.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Re-read your posts, lots of contradictions.

 

Where?

[Dig Dig]

Where?

 

You said he has successfully played DMC earlier in his career. He hasn't done that, he's an attacking CM now striker.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

We haven't been a laughing stock.....maybe only for you.

 

We've played well gojng forwards and gained a lot of plaudits for that only. Defensively we have been poor, largely down to individual errors, not team shape.

 

It's always been clear that the players give 100% and play for Adkins. The team is maturing and learning and we have our best side available to play in a series of games for the first time this season. Many posters looked forward with positivity despite our poor start and were consistently told that Adkins had lost it and we would get relegated by easter etc. You're as guilty as anyone for not respecting other peoples opinion yet you refuse to see that.

 

Not nearly as much as yourself or others that just reply to insult me. Nowhere near. I know I'm not perfect in that regard, and that if someone replies too aggressively etc I'll bit back, but I have no problem with people having their own opinions.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

You said he has successfully played DMC earlier in his career. He hasn't done that, he's an attacking CM now striker.

 

Yes he has. Early in the season when I think was Fuego (sp) was out.

[Dig Dig]

Not nearly as much as yourself or others that just reply to insult me. Nowhere near. I know I'm not perfect in that regard, and that if someone replies too aggressively etc I'll bit back, but I have no problem with people having their own opinions.

 

You seem to think that I'm aggressive and nasty.... I've never called you names and always shared with you my views. Yes, I gave you a bit of a ribbing the other day but if you put yourself on a stall as you have done recently and in the past that can be expected.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

You seem to think that I'm aggressive and nasty.... I've never called you names and always shared with you my views. Yes, I gave you a bit of a ribbing the other day but if you put yourself on a stall as you have done recently and in the past that can be expected.

 

The way you conduct your posts come across as aggressive a lot of the time. Others agree. You are no WA2 though, I have to say.

 

When I said 'You', it was the royal er, 'you', if you see what I mean. Wasn't meant directly for you, but look at people on this thread like shurlock etc. More aimed at them.

 

I agree I can expect that, and I agree that in isolation those threads do look ridiculous. However, I believe the myriad of points put together after 8 to 10 games means I wasn't being wholly unreasonable with my expectations. After 10 games there was a change, and I started a thread explaining that I may have been too quick to judge but that I still believe the points I raised, although possibly too early, were pertinent.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Is this another LOL @ DPS thread or something worth reading?

[The Kraken]

Is this another LOL @ DPS thread or something worth reading?

 

Neither, really. DPS and Diggers should go and have a beer together and sort it out. Either that or beat the sh*t out of each other.

[Dig Dig]

The way you conduct your posts come across as aggressive a lot of the time. Others agree. You are no WA2 though, I have to say.

 

When I said 'You', it was the royal er, 'you', if you see what I mean. Wasn't meant directly for you, but look at people on this thread like shurlock etc. More aimed at them.

 

I agree I can expect that, and I agree that in isolation those threads do look ridiculous. However, I believe the myriad of points put together after 8 to 10 games means I wasn't being wholly unreasonable with my expectations. After 10 games there was a change, and I started a thread explaining that I may have been too quick to judge but that I still believe the points I raised, although possibly too early, were pertinent.

 

I've only ever seen Alpine agree with you on that. I've picked him up a fair few times but this is a man who has called me many names, and has mocked my dsylexia in the past.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Neither, really. DPS and Diggers should go and have a beer together and sort it out. Either that or beat the sh*t out of each other.

 

Haha, yeah it's getting towards that point, which one I'm not sure though!

[Glasgow_Saint]

Neither, really. DPS and Diggers should go and have a beer together and sort it out. Either that or beat the sh*t out of each other.

 

I did suspect this...... Thread started by DPS with nearly 50% of all posts on thread made by DPS!! Odd

 

He is very "LOOK AT ME" right now

 

Maybe mods should start to restrict the amount of threads some people can start?

[Saint Garrett]

Cool, we're getting somewhere. I can see your point with keeping it on the floor, it is always easier to keep the ball against teams like West Ham by using an intricate game and not playing them at their own hoofball. However, Lambert is a very good passer of the ball. Fair enough, we do play slightly different with him in the team, looking for more knockdowns etc but I think that should be more down to tactics rather than the specific players, ie we should be able to play both ways with Lambert in the team.

 

But we don't. When J-Rod has played up front we play the ball into the channels for him to chase down and help move us up the pitch. Lambert doesn't play like that because he has no pace, so the ball goes into Rickie, he generally lays it off and then we look for runners beyond him. Different ways of playing depending on opposition. Also J-Rod defends from the front a lot better than Rickie does. That doesn't mean I think it's a better way of us playing, just good to have alternatives.

[The Kraken]

I did suspect this...... Thread started by DPS with nearly 50% of all posts on thread made by DPS!! Odd

 

He is very "LOOK AT ME" right now

 

Maybe mods should start to restrict the amount of threads some people can start?

 

Wouldn't be a bad idea in the case of other posters too, such as miltonroader. Although saying that, it'll only increase the number of PMs he sends me; I've already got 2 from last night asking if I want to "meet up" before the game tonight.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I've only ever seen Alpine agree with you on that. I've picked him up a fair few times but this is a man who has called me many names, and has mocked my dsylexia in the past.

 

I didn't realise you were dyselxic in all honesty, maybe he wasn't aware.

 

I think we're getting to some sort of impasse here anyway, so I may well take back that award (it means you'll have to change your location though).

[Glasgow_Saint]

Wouldn't be a bad idea in the case of other posters too, such as miltonroader. Although saying that, it'll only increase the number of PMs he sends me; I've already got 2 from last night asking if I want to "meet up" before the game tonight.

 

Haha Milton is nuts! I like him

[The Kraken]

Haha Milton is nuts! I like him

 

He is plainly mental. Still, I've told him which pub I'll be in so hopefully he'll come and say hello.

[Thedelldays]

in hindsight...i would not have predicted Wotte would have kept us up...my credibility went down hill after that.

 

luckily..its back now

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I did suspect this...... Thread started by DPS with nearly 50% of all posts on thread made by DPS!! Odd

 

He is very "LOOK AT ME" right now

 

Maybe mods should start to restrict the amount of threads some people can start?

 

It was a simple thread asking for peoples opinion on who they would have bought. However, as usual, people decided to play the poster, not the post.

 

How's the old trying to be Deppo going? You're doing well in turning up randomly on threads, but you really do need to be funnier.

 

All IMHO of course.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

in hindsight...i would not have predicted Wotte would have kept us up...my credibility went down hill after that.

 

luckily..its back now

 

Says you

[Glasgow_Saint]

It was a simple thread asking for peoples opinion on who they would have bought. However, as usual, people decided to play the poster, not the post.

 

How's the old trying to be Deppo going? You're doing well in turning up randomly on threads, but you really do need to be funnier.

 

All IMHO of course.

 

Deppo was one of the best posters on SWF ever..... The fact that you and many other Glasgow 'haters' link me to him is a compliment.

 

Thank you

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Deppo was one of the best posters on SWF ever..... The fact that you and many other Glasgow 'haters' link me to him is a compliment.

 

Thank you

 

I don't hate you. Hate is such a strong word I never like to use it.

 

Deppo was an awesome poster I agree I'm not sure many would disagree. However, to take that as a compliment I think you misunderstand what Deppo was about.

[Glasgow_Saint]

He is plainly mental. Still, I've told him which pub I'll be in so hopefully he'll come and say hello.

 

Few of my PMs from him......

 

I am not going to start any more threads BUT I am going to go on the Muppet Show and suggest a statue is built of ME at St Marys next to Ted Bates he he he he he

 

A new song for the Saints

what do you think..

 

Play Up Southampton..... Southampton Play UP..... I almost did this as a thread, ha ha ha ha

 

NO this was a serious one. Gonna suggest a song for Sunday... Play UP Saints/...... Saints Play UP

 

DPS really is a tool

[Glasgow_Saint]

I don't hate you. Hate is such a strong word I never like to use it.

 

Deppo was an awesome poster I agree I'm not sure many would disagree. However, to take that as a compliment I think you misunderstand what Deppo was about.

 

Deppo didnt take himself or the site too seriously, he was funny, handsome, liked by men, loved by women!

 

I can understand why you get us mixed up so often

[The Kraken]

Bloody hell!!

 

One I got last night, titled "opinions". "What a joke".

 

That was it. I honestly have no idea.

[The9]

1) Where was it an advantage then in not starting Lambert? Against City we had no focal point. Against West Ham we controlled the first half but couldn't score, Rodriguez was ineffectual against Collins, who Lambert would have beasted.

2) No it wasn't. The reason was City's finishing, they could have been 5 up by then.

3) Eh? It was the wrong decision, and you know that. We needed to to keep the ball and hold the ball up to keep the pressure off ourselves. By doing that we invited United forward and thus conceded 2 late goals.

4)

 

1) The advantage was in having more flexible players and not conceding 2 goals in 30 minutes like we did when Lambert got on the pitch. Lambert also came on in that West Ham match and created precisely nothing with us going further behind while he was on, whilst Rodriguez set up our goal, really not sure how you can claim Rodriguez was "ineffectual" when he was obviously more effective than Lambert on that occasion.

2) Rodriguez supported Fox well and despite City creating chances we've all seen what's happened with others in front of Fox against top sides (notably against Arsenal) -also, when he wasn't there we started leaking goals - arguably that could be because we became more attacking when behind and when Lambert came on, but you can't have it both ways.

3) No matter which substitutions we made against Man U we were obviously knackered all over the pitch and United have now come from behind in more than 10 matches this season, pretty sure it would have happened with the three who were substituted still on the pitch, plus you could have had any of them injured from playing into the oft-cited "injury danger zone" when already tired.

[The9]

The thing is DPS, this is YOUR opinion yet you seem to work in black and white, right snd wrong...

 

Playing Rodriguez over Lambert does have some logic an merit, it hasn't worked very well to date but we have to get to a point where we can play without Lambert.

 

There is no gaurentee Lambert would have scored at West Ham or beasted Collins, again just opinion and speculation.

 

The same applies to Utd, many think he shouldn't have done the subs but the claim that it was the reason we lost with certainty as you do is also wrong. Utd had a pen saved and RVP should have scored before as well. We should have been 3-2 down before a single sub was made.

 

On the basis of speculation you decided Adkins should go after a handful of games, ignoring certain mitigating factors along the way. That's why you've been getting so much stick. That and the fact you just wouldn't leave it alone.

 

Dig Dig has said it much better than I did (aside from not mentioning that Lambert actually had the opportunity in the West Ham game and didn't do anything of the sort).

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Few of my PMs from him......

 

I thought PM's were meant to be private. You chucked up a lung when I posted yours on here. Hypocrit alert methinks.

 

He is funny. Good to see all his messages are windups though.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I thought PM's were meant to be private. You chucked up a lung when I posted yours on here. Hypocrit alert methinks.

 

He is funny. Good to see all his messages are windups though.

 

Are you upset because he called you a tool?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

1) The advantage was in having more flexible players and not conceding 2 goals in 30 minutes like we did when Lambert got on the pitch. Lambert also came on in that West Ham match and created precisely nothing with us going further behind while he was on, whilst Rodriguez set up our goal, really not sure how you can claim Rodriguez was "ineffectual" when he was obviously more effective than Lambert on that occasion.

2) Rodriguez supported Fox well and despite City creating chances we've all seen what's happened with others in front of Fox against top sides (notably against Arsenal) -also, when he wasn't there we started leaking goals - arguably that could be because we became more attacking when behind and when Lambert came on, but you can't have it both ways.

3) No matter which substitutions we made against Man U we were obviously knackered all over the pitch and United have now come from behind in more than 10 matches this season, pretty sure it would have happened with the three who were substituted still on the pitch, plus you could have had any of them injured from playing into the oft-cited "injury danger zone" when already tired.

 

Look, we're obviously not going to agree on this as our opinions differ on it. However, surely you can see my point of view in relation to Lambert starting all our matches, and not playing Jay Rod out of position. Neither of us know how these matches would have ended if the opposite decisions were made, but I feel playing our best team, which does include Lambert, week in week out gives us a better chance of winning.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Are you upset because he called you a tool?

 

No, not at all, he's very very strange!

 

However, considering the embarrassing fuss you made after I posted your PM's I would have thought you'd have more respect for other peoples private messages, but obviously not.

[Glasgow_Saint]

No, not at all, he's very very strange!

 

However, considering the embarrassing fuss you made after I posted your PM's I would have thought you'd have more respect for other peoples private messages, but obviously not.

 

I have never sent you a PM?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I have never sent you a PM?

 

Oh come now, I assume you want me to post them again so the thread can be locked? I don't want you to throw another ****fit like last time, I wouldn't do that to you twice.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Oh come now, I assume you want me to post them again so the thread can be locked? I don't want you to throw another ****fit like last time, I wouldn't do that to you twice.

 

Why would i want the thread closed? I just voted it 5 stars

[buctootim]

This my favourite DPS thread. It could use a little more DPS in it though.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Why would i want the thread closed? I just voted it 5 stars

 

Well, perhaps you could tell me why you're saying you've never sent me a PM. Look, you even mentioned it here:

 

Just got 5 infraction points for sending an "abusive" PM!

 

Suggests private messages are not 'Private' so take care all

 

was to Dibden Purlieu Saint aka "The Grass"

[Glasgow_Saint]

Well, perhaps you could tell me why you're saying you've never sent me a PM. Look, you even mentioned it here:

 

Nice editing

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

This my favourite DPS thread. It could use a little more DPS in it though.

 

Ah, the sheep hath joined us.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Nice editing

 

I was told not to bring it up on the main board after you grassed me in, so I thought it best not to.

[NickG]

Which 3 players would you have bought, and which 3 would you have not bought. Have to be realistic transfers. For me it has to be:

 

Sebastien Bassong

Arouna Kone

Michu

 

In

 

Jay Rodriguez

Yoshida

Mayuka

 

Out

 

personally, when I see posters such as you and alps posting we should have sacked Adkins and writing off Jay R and yoshida, I think:

 

1) shows immature, impatient, superficial football knowledge/support.

2) history will show them as embarrassing views.

 

all imho of course.

[buctootim]

Ah, the sheep hath joined us.

 

My, that sounds like a unsolicited insult. Rank hypocrisy, who'd have thunk it?

[The9]

Look, we're obviously not going to agree on this as our opinions differ on it. However, surely you can see my point of view in relation to Lambert starting all our matches, and not playing Jay Rod out of position. Neither of us know how these matches would have ended if the opposite decisions were made, but I feel playing our best team, which does include Lambert, week in week out gives us a better chance of winning.

 

And I think that playing the team most suitable for beating that specific opposition will do that, which might not include Lambert due to his specific limitations (tracking back/closing down quickly to get the ball back high up the field, running at defenders and the ability to beat a defender one on one when he has no other options). And there's the crux of it.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

personally, when I see posters such as you and alps posting we should have sacked Adkins and writing off Jay R and yoshida, I think:

 

1) shows immature, impatient, superficial football knowledge/support.

2) history will show them as embarrassing views.

 

all imho of course.

 

Fair enough, but I have never written off Rodriguez. I think he could be a great player, but I don't believe he is necessarily one for this season.

 

Yoshida I think would be far better as a Defensive mid and I don't ever see him really being a great CB.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

My, that sounds like a unsolicited insult. Rank hypocrisy, who'd have thunk it?

 

Why's that an insult?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

The Mods really aren't doing their job at the moment, this thread should have been locked this morning.

[Zlavik]

In

 

John Guidetti

Mikael Lustig

Jonas Olsson

(All swedes )

 

Out

Yoshida

Rodriguez

Davis

 

 

 

Which 3 players would you have bought, and which 3 would you have not bought. Have to be realistic transfers. For me it has to be:

 

Sebastien Bassong

Arouna Kone

Michu

 

In

 

Jay Rodriguez

Yoshida

Mayuka

 

Out

[The9]

Fair enough, but I have never written off Rodriguez. I think he could be a great player, but I don't believe he is necessarily one for this season.

 

Yoshida I think would be far better as a Defensive mid and I don't ever see him really being a great CB.

 

Wouldn't being a defensive midfielder necessitate him making a lot of short, quick passes, which he's tangibly not very good at ? I don't doubt his ball-winning ability, I just don't think the rest of the team is appreciative of his squirty-ball passes or shinners much.

[Saint Garrett]

And I think that playing the team most suitable for beating that specific opposition will do that, which might not include Lambert due to his specific limitations (tracking back/closing down quickly to get the ball back high up the field, running at defenders and the ability to beat a defender one on one when he has no other options). And there's the crux of it.

 

There are pros and cons of either one playing. I agree we should play the best team for the opposition. Plus it'll only kill J-Rod's confidence and value if he doesn't play ever. He needs to get involved. No reason why by next season he won't be our no1 striker. But maybe not.