Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Which 3 players would you have bought, and which 3 would you have not bought. Have to be realistic transfers. For me it has to be: Sebastien Bassong Arouna Kone Michu In Jay Rodriguez Yoshida Mayuka Out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Can't see where Michu would play for us if I'm honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Can't see where Michu would play for us if I'm honest. Certainly would have played him ahead of Davis whilst Cork was out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Certainly would have played him ahead of Davis whilst Cork was out. You would have played a Striker in defensive midfield? Michu is the Spanish Lambert, very similar in playing styles. Arouna Kone is also Sh*te, he wouldn't get anywhere near our team. Will agree on Bassong he has been good for Norwich, but at the time I thought a bit of gamble as he looked poor for Wolves last year and poor for Spurs. Also I would add:- Bassong 26 Michu 26 Kone 29 Jay Rod 23 Yoshida 24 Mayuka 22 Our players are much younger and are still improving, the above players are pretty much as good as they will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Michu is not a striker HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 You would have played a Striker in defensive midfield? Michu is the Spanish Lambert, very similar in playing styles. Arouna Kone is also Sh*te, he wouldn't get anywhere near our team. Will agree on Bassong he has been good for Norwich, but at the time I thought a bit of gamble as he looked poor for Wolves last year and poor for Spurs. Also I would add:- Bassong 26 Michu 26 Kone 29 Jay Rod 23 Yoshida 24 Mayuka 22 Our players are much younger and are still improving, the above players are pretty much as good as they will be. How can you say that though? Players come good late 20's early 30's, as proven by our very own Lambert. Still lots of improvement to be had in those players. Michu is actually a CM by nature, that's where he played for Rayo anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Michu is not a striker HTH There is an error on Wikipedia then, and you're just the person to put them right. Miguel Pérez Cuesta (born 21 March 1986), also known as Michu, is a Spanish professional footballer who plays for Swansea City in the Premier League, as a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 (edited) You would have played a Striker in defensive midfield? Michu is the Spanish Lambert, very similar in playing styles. Arouna Kone is also Sh*te, he wouldn't get anywhere near our team. Will agree on Bassong he has been good for Norwich, but at the time I thought a bit of gamble as he looked poor for Wolves last year and poor for Spurs. Also I would add:- Bassong 26 Michu 26 Kone 29 Jay Rod 23 Yoshida 24 Mayuka 22 Our players are much younger and are still improving, the above players are pretty much as good as they will be. Michu is not a striker for a start. He's a centre mid and until pushed forward to be an attacking mid he was a combative midfielder at Celta and then Rayo. Kone would be a great backup striker, as he has decent pace but can also hold the ball up well. Edited 28 November, 2012 by Dibden Purlieu Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 There is an error on Wikipedia then, and you're just the person to put them right. Error on Wiki, what are the chances! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 If Michu was to play for us it would be in the NO10 position...but we have a better option there so he wouldn't get in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 There is an error on Wikipedia then, and you're just the person to put them right. Yep. There is an error He is a midfielder Even heard laudrup talk about him as such for Swansea when he was signed and since He has come in and replaced siggurdson....he played midfield for rayo also But then. Wiki, where a 7 year old can edit it may well be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 If Michu was to play for us it would be in the NO10 position...but we have a better option there so he wouldn't get in the side. He'd be quality backup? I wouldn't play him ahead of certain players, but he would give us something different at a low cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Which 3 players would you have bought, and which 3 would you have not bought. Have to be realistic transfers. For me it has to be: Sebastien Bassong Arouna Kone Michu In Jay Rodriguez Yoshida Mayuka Out this post will come back and haunt you IMO. Yoshida and Jrod will be hits , i havent seen Mayuka to decide. As for Michu and Kone, they did ok on the first few matches but we will see. Iam happy with the puchases and hopefully some more in Jan wil bolster our squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 this post will come back and haunt you IMO. Yoshida and Jrod will be hits , i havent seen Mayuka to decide. As for Michu and Kone, they did ok on the first few matches but we will see. Iam happy with the puchases and hopefully some more in Jan wil bolster our squad It was just a simple 'who would you have bought' thread. I never realised how petty some posters are. Mods, may as well close this thread as if people put their own opinions on they're going to get ripped to pieces. Oh, and I'm not just judging Michu and Kone on their season so far, but also on how they played last year in Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_B Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 May I suggest some further undermining threads you might want to start - Which of your children would you rather not have had? If you could swap your wife for an ex-girlfriend, which one would it be? If you could go back in time and support a different club, which one would you go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 May I suggest some further undermining threads you might want to start - Which of your children would you rather not have had? If you could swap your wife for an ex-girlfriend, which one would it be? If you could go back in time and support a different club, which one would you go for? What the actual ****? Seriously, what is wrong with you lot? I'm just asking who people would have signed in the Summer with the benefit of hindsight. Why all the animosity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Michu is a stroppy sod, no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Michu is not a striker for a start. He's a centre mid and until pushed forward to be an attacking mid he was a combative midfielder at Celta and then Rayo. Kone would be a great backup striker, as he has decent pace but can also hold the ball up well. He's an attacking midfielder and a striker, he played up front against Liverpool on his own. He's played as many games up front as he has in midfield. You suggested that he would have been a good replacement for Cork, who is a defensive/holding midfielder, which is plain stupidity. I will repeat Kone is sh*te, and wouldn't get anywhere near our team. His career goal scoring record is worse than 1 in 4, he scored 1 goal in 40 games for Sevilla and at 29 he's not going to get any better. He's got pace but that's about it, to say he's better than Mayuka is silly when Mayuka has only started one game, is 22 and has already been the African cup of nations top scorer. How can you say that though? Players come good late 20's early 30's, as proven by our very own Lambert. Still lots of improvement to be had in those players. Michu is actually a CM by nature, that's where he played for Rayo anyway. Most players will be hitting their peak at about 26/27, a bit later maybe for defenders and goalkeepers. Some peak later due to various reasons, like Lambert who wasn't very professional early in his career and also changed positions. Michu might be another one, seeing as it looks like his 'natural' position is actually as forward, and I still don;t think he would get in our team as he's not better than Ramirez or Lambert and those are the positions he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 He's an attacking midfielder and a striker, he played up front against Liverpool on his own. He's played as many games up front as he has in midfield. You suggested that he would have been a good replacement for Cork, who is a defensive/holding midfielder, which is plain stupidity. I will repeat Kone is sh*te, and wouldn't get anywhere near our team. His career goal scoring record is worse than 1 in 4, he scored 1 goal in 40 games for Sevilla and at 29 he's not going to get any better. He's got pace but that's about it, to say he's better than Mayuka is silly when Mayuka has only started one game, is 22 and has already been the African cup of nations top scorer. Most players will be hitting their peak at about 26/27, a bit later maybe for defenders and goalkeepers. Some peak later due to various reasons, like Lambert who wasn't very professional early in his career and also changed positions. Michu might be another one, seeing as it looks like his 'natural' position is actually as forward, and I still don;t think he would get in our team as he's not better than Ramirez or Lambert and those are the positions he plays. So what if he has played up front for Swansea? He has played far more games as a midfielder and as a defensive mid than up front, I can guarantee you that. Start watching some of his football from previous years and you would realise that's it's not 'stupidity'. Also, since when did I say these players had to be first team starters? Bassong would be but the other 2 wouldn't. Seriously, I can see why Turkish calls this a mongboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Well in hindsight I'd have brought in Van Persie as quality backup.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Well in hindsight I'd have brought in Van Persie as quality backup.... I did say realistic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 So what if he has played up front for Swansea? He has played far more games as a midfielder and as a defensive mid than up front, I can guarantee you that. Start watching some of his football from previous years and you would realise that's it's not 'stupidity'. Also, since when did I say these players had to be first team starters? Bassong would be but the other 2 wouldn't. Seriously, I can see why Turkish calls this a mongboard. Where is the giant facepalm when you need it. I hope you see the irony in your mongboard comment. Lambert started his career as a midfielder, he'd probably played loads of games in midfield when joined us, does that mean he would be a good choice as a holding midfielder? Michu is a forward, that is his natural position. Jack Cork has played loads of games as a full back, doesn't mean he should be playing there. It's irrelevant where he used to play, especially seeing he has had so much success as an attacking mid and a forward. The fact that we played Davis out of position as a holding mid for so many games was part of our defensive problems, yet you think it would have been good idea to have signed a far more attacking player than Davis and then played him in the same position. "but the other 2 wouldn't", so what's f*cking point then, how are they going to so much better than Mayuka and Rodriguez? You would think after the amount idiotic forum posts of yours people have dragged up over recent days that you might think a bit before you posted your next new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 It was just a simple 'who would you have bought' thread. I never realised how petty some posters are. Mods, may as well close this thread as if people put their own opinions on they're going to get ripped to pieces. Oh, and I'm not just judging Michu and Kone on their season so far, but also on how they played last year in Spain. A bit tetchy , how many players have started well and then very little later. To say you wouldnt have signed those 3 so soon is a tad hasty, many are/were writing off Ramirez but after sunday would they now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Where is the giant facepalm when you need it. I hope you see the irony in your mongboard comment. Lambert started his career as a midfielder, he'd probably played loads of games in midfield when joined us, does that mean he would be a good choice as a holding midfielder? Michu is a forward, that is his natural position. Jack Cork has played loads of games as a full back, doesn't mean he should be playing there. It's irrelevant where he used to play, especially seeing he has had so much success as an attacking mid and a forward. The fact that we played Davis out of position as a holding mid for so many games was part of our defensive problems, yet you think it would have been good idea to have signed a far more attacking player than Davis and then played him in the same position. "but the other 2 wouldn't", so what's f*cking point then, how are they going to so much better than Mayuka and Rodriguez? You would think after the amount idiotic forum posts of yours people have dragged up over recent days that you might think a bit before you posted your next new thread. *sigh* The point is this is a squad game. I believe Kone and Michu are better options off the bench than Mayuka and JRod. You obviously disagree. Where did I say he would just play as a defensive mid. One of the good things about Michu is his flexibility and that he can play anywhere in the midfield spine if needed to and would have done a better job ib that position for those games whilst Cork was out. Look, you obviously have a massive problem with me and would argue black is white just to try and get one over on me. Strange because I don't know who you are. However, if you are to do one thing, go back and read those threads in full and try to understand the points made. I know Dig Dig, Saint Charlie etc whipped up a feedimg frenzy the other night, but if you look at those threads at the time the points are pertinent. Either that or please put me on ignore and not read my threads. There is no reason for you to come on and spend your time trying to pick fights with me. I was asking peoples opinions on what they would do, I was not encouraging critiques of mine. So why don't you offer an opinion on who you would have signed, or are you one of these people that are only here to try to get one up on others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 A more equal comparison would be players other teams have brought in who have also been on the bench. It's easy to say you'd rather have a player who has played in very game and settled than a player who hs hardly had a chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 A bit tetchy , how many players have started well and then very little later. To say you wouldnt have signed those 3 so soon is a tad hasty, many are/were writing off Ramirez but after sunday would they now? I'm not writing them off, I just wouldn't have bought them ahead of those 3. Michu was excellent last year at Rayo, so I have faith that he can stretch it out through a whole season. And who would write off Ramirez, seriously? That is madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 A bit tetchy , how many players have started well and then very little later. To say you wouldnt have signed those 3 so soon is a tad hasty, many are/were writing off Ramirez but after sunday would they now? I don't think many/any were writing Ramirez off. I did see some questioning the amount of money spent on him when other positions were neglected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 A more equal comparison would be players other teams have brought in who have also been on the bench. It's easy to say you'd rather have a player who has played in very game and settled than a player who hs hardly had a chance... It's not a like for like comparison though, I'm just asking peoples opinions on who they would buy now, with the knowledge of what has happened so far this season. Why overthink it? Who would you have bought in the Summer realistically, and who would you have taken out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Hard to say, I rate Rodriguez I think he will be a very good buy for us, and hopefully Rickie can teach him a thing or two this season. Mayuka has looked lively when he has come on but not seen much of him to compare with anyone else. Would he be a better option that Kone? Quite possibly but who is to say. I also rate Yoshi, I think he reads the game extremely well and is still young and will improve. Is Bassong much better or do Norwich just play a lot tighter as a unit than us ? Yes probably as they've not scored very many goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Hard to say, I rate Rodriguez I think he will be a very good buy for us, and hopefully Rickie can teach him a thing or two this season. Mayuka has looked lively when he has come on but not seen much of him to compare with anyone else. Would he be a better option that Kone? Quite possibly but who is to say. I also rate Yoshi, I think he reads the game extremely well and is still young and will improve. Is Bassong much better or do Norwich just play a lot tighter as a unit than us ? Yes probably as they've not scored very many goals. Bassong and Turner have looked excellent this season, although perhaps playing tighter and having Ruddy behind them has helped. You're saying you wouldn't have changed our Summer business though in relation to who we bought? If so, fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 (edited) Where did I say he would just play as a defensive mid. about here - Certainly would have played him ahead of Davis whilst Cork was out. *sigh* The point is this is a squad game. I believe Kone and Michu are better options off the bench than Mayuka and JRod. You obviously disagree. I do, but I also can't see how you can say this considering neither Jay Rod and especially mauka get any game time, there is no place in our current system for Kone as he is no Lambert. Like I said Michu would be a good Lambert back up player but I doubt he would like sitting on the bench. As I said I don;t rate Kone at all and at 29 he will only get worse and has no re-sale value. Jay Rod has a lot of potential and I think will be a far better player than Kone, he's been harshly judged on this forum for a handful of appearances, some of which out position. Look, you obviously have a massive problem with me and would argue black is white just to try and get one over on me. Strange because I don't know who you are. However, if you are to do one thing, go back and read those threads in full and try to understand the points made. I know Dig Dig, Saint Charlie etc whipped up a feedimg frenzy the other night, but if you look at those threads at the time the points are pertinent. Either that or please put me on ignore and not read my threads. There is no reason for you to come on and spend your time trying to pick fights with me. I was asking peoples opinions on what they would do, I was not encouraging critiques of mine. So why don't you offer an opinion on who you would have signed, or are you one of these people that are only here to try to get one up on others? "Look, you obviously have a massive problem with me" - not at all. "would argue black is white" - possibly "just to try and get one over on me" - not at all. "There is no reason for you to come on and spend your time trying to pick fights with me" - just responding to threads that I see. "I was asking peoples opinions on what they would do, I was not encouraging critiques of mine" - anyone starting a thread has to expect some level of critique, that's the nature of beast. "So why don't you offer an opinion on who you would have signed", - I'm happy with our signings and can see the logic behind all them, although the lack of game time for Mayuka is odd. I believe Douglas from Twente might have been another good centre back option, a big, strong defender who would have been a better version of Jos. I also think Ince/Phillips/Zaha might have been a good idea at the start of the season as another option instead of Puncheon/Lallana. We obviosuly tried for Phillips but I reckon Ince is the better player and I reckon a Zaha would ahve ben available at the start of the season. Biglia who were were linked with as well I think would have been a good option. Left back wise I can't think of anyone, I think there is a dearth of quality full backs around, hence why we need to hang onto Shaw. Michu is at the moment looking like the signing of the season (maybe that Yacob for WBA), however I can't see a place for him in our current set up. Bassong looks very good, but personally I thought a gamble after last seasons performances for Wolves, especially as he was going to cost around £6 million. Edited 28 November, 2012 by tajjuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 about here - I said 'just' play as a defensive mid. That was a suggestion for whilst Cork was injured. With the amount of injuries in a season he would be a good versatile player to have around the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 tajjuk is my favourite MLG stand in, Iwouldn't swap him for anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Think this thread would have gotten a very different reaction if posted before the Swansea game, where we 'bought terribly' and 'January couldn't comequick enough as we need defenders'. Now we have a bit of form and style nobody can dismiss these players. Michu is a goal scoring midfielder. For 2m I think we missed out. Also passing is working well but his attitude could have been a problem. I wouldn't swap Mayuka for kone due to age and that I've not seen enough of him. I think Collins is strengthening whu in defence and jaaskelainen (spelling?) We could have done with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 tajjuk is my favourite MLG stand in, Iwouldn't swap him for anyone. The levels of indignation and utter refusal to accept an alternative viewpoint are startlingly similar. MLG has some competition, I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Think this thread would have gotten a very different reaction if posted before the Swansea game, where we 'bought terribly' and 'January couldn't comequick enough as we need defenders'. Now we have a bit of form and style nobody can dismiss these players. Michu is a goal scoring midfielder. For 2m I think we missed out. Also passing is working well but his attitude could have been a problem. I wouldn't swap Mayuka for kone due to age and that I've not seen enough of him. I think Collins is strengthening whu in defence and jaaskelainen (spelling?) We could have done with. I don't think anyone can truly say we bought terribly; there's not much to criticise in the players we brought in. What you can do is point at the amounts spent on certain areas whilst spending much less on other areas and still having deficiencies in those areas, whilst perhaps being overloaded in those where the money was really spent. It was a totally lopsided transfer summer in terms of priorities, but the players brought in have been decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Think this thread would have gotten a very different reaction if posted before the Swansea game, where we 'bought terribly' and 'January couldn't comequick enough as we need defenders'. Now we have a bit of form and style nobody can dismiss these players. Michu is a goal scoring midfielder. For 2m I think we missed out. Also passing is working well but his attitude could have been a problem. I wouldn't swap Mayuka for kone due to age and that I've not seen enough of him. I think Collins is strengthening whu in defence and jaaskelainen (spelling?) We could have done with. I spend a lot of time with West Ham supporting mates, and can tell you they do not rate Jaaskeleinen one bit. Say he's way past it. Collins they say is dodgy, and was in his first stint there, but all he has to do is kick the ball as far as possible when it comes near him. I wouldn't have either of these in our side. Of course I think we should have strengthened in other areas, but if we're saying like for like positions then I'm not sure I would be that bothered about any other 'realistic' targets. Maybe Matt Jarvis as I think he's a good player but for the same money we spent on Gaston ? No chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 I said 'just' play as a defensive mid. That was a suggestion for whilst Cork was injured. With the amount of injuries in a season he would be a good versatile player to have around the squad. Personally I think playing Michu in that position would be like playing Gaston there, frankly a disaster. Davis struggled to do it well enough and he's a lot less forward thinking than Michu. At Swansea he has at least one and often two holding mids behind him. He has great attacking qualities and as someone above said at £2 million looks an absolute bargain so we probably did miss out, but I reckon he would only add squad depth not improve the squad overall. The levels of indignation and utter refusal to accept an alternative viewpoint are startlingly similar. MLG has some competition, I feel. I accept other viewpoints but I don't accept weak arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 I accept other viewpoints but I don't accept weak arguments. In that case you are no MLG; I consider you your own man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 I would have spent money on someone like Lampard (who is not playing as much at chelsea) as he would have been a great midfield captain who could help us adjust to life in prem - plus he is obviously quality. Bit of a Jimmy Case/Alan Ball type role. Dawson Friedal (experience of playing with Dawson would add extra strength to the defence) Wouldn't have bothered with Mayuka based on what we've seen so far (which is very little) or Boruc - can't think of a third Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Personally I think playing Michu in that position would be like playing Gaston there, frankly a disaster. Davis struggled to do it well enough and he's a lot less forward thinking than Michu. At Swansea he has at least one and often two holding mids behind him. He has great attacking qualities and as someone above said at £2 million looks an absolute bargain so we probably did miss out, but I reckon he would only add squad depth not improve the squad overall. I accept other viewpoints but I don't accept weak arguments. But it's not like playing Gaston there, that's where you're making a mistake, he has played well in that position before for other teams. What I find strange though is you started off by saying he was a striker and comparing him to Lambert, and now he's an attacking mid, so which is it? Is it like playing Gaston as a DM (which Davis didn't really do by the way, he was playing as a classic CM) or Lambert as a DM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 I spend a lot of time with West Ham supporting mates, and can tell you they do not rate Jaaskeleinen one bit. Say he's way past it. Collins they say is dodgy, and was in his first stint there, but all he has to do is kick the ball as far as possible when it comes near him. I wohave either of these in our side. They may not look pretty but west ham have conceded 15 and saints 30. They are organised and their experience and leadership is a major factor. Right now I am happy with how the team is playing but I also know the whole outlook would change if Norwich beat us tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Well neither Gaston or Lambert would be very good at DM. And pretty sure Michu wouldn't be either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 I spend a lot of time with West Ham supporting mates, and can tell you they do not rate Jaaskeleinen one bit. Say he's way past it. Collins they say is dodgy, and was in his first stint there, but all he has to do is kick the ball as far as possible when it comes near him. I wohave either of these in our side. They may not look pretty but west ham have conceded 15 and saints 30. They are organised and their experience and leadership is a major factor. Right now I am happy with how the team is playing but I also know the whole outlook would change if Norwich beat us tonight. Not sure about that. Their whole team is a solid unit who are big and play no nonsense football. If the ball is in their half it goes long. It's probably a way of letting in less goals aslong as they have a target, but it's draedful to watch and they're never going to score many like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Well neither Gaston or Lambert would be very good at DM. And pretty sure Michu wouldn't be either. What facets of his game mean you don't think he'd be good there? I love these opinions from people who have only seen him play a handful of games for Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Maybe he would be good playing CM in the Spanish league, but in the Prem? Not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Maybe he would be good playing CM in the Spanish league, but in the Prem? Not for me. That's fair enough, but why? What do you think he has going against him for doing it in the Premier League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Don't think he has enough bite or guile to play there. Plus from what I've seen he struiggles in tight situations but looks a lot better when he's got a bit of space. You don't get that in the Prem. Cork and Morgan are so calm when they have 2 men on them, and still rarely lose the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Don't think he has enough bite or guile to play there. Plus from what I've seen he struiggles in tight situations but looks a lot better when he's got a bit of space. You don't get that in the Prem. Cork and Morgan are so calm when they have 2 men on them, and still rarely lose the ball. I don't massively disagree with that, and I agree that in that position both Cork and Mirgan are better. I also think he perhaps lacks a bit of mobility to play there constantly. However, as a stand in I think he would have been a better bet than Davis considering Davis certainly didn't play defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 What facets of his game mean you don't think he'd be good there? I love these opinions from people who have only seen him play a handful of games for Swansea. Pace, work rate, tackling ability. He's looked a very much a languid attacker to me. But it's not like playing Gaston there, that's where you're making a mistake, he has played well in that position before for other teams. What I find strange though is you started off by saying he was a striker and comparing him to Lambert, and now he's an attacking mid, so which is it? Is it like playing Gaston as a DM (which Davis didn't really do by the way, he was playing as a classic CM) or Lambert as a DM? He is both, I would say his best position is in the hole, where gaston plays, but with his size he is very similar in tyle and play to Lambert hence why Swansea push him up there to hold up the ball and bring other people in, so AMC, second striker, no 10, falso number 9, whatever you want to call it it's a very attacking position with very little defensive responsibilites. Lambert has the ability to play in the hole as has doen for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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