Seaford Saint Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 I thought he was OK. Not commanding but OK. Probably the weakest of the back four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
There when Franny scored Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 It should be remembered that his individual ability is largely secondary to how he fits into the back 4(5) as a unit. As someone has pointed out we have conceded 3 goals in the last 4 games, all of which were goalkeeping errors (although Yoshida was partly responsible for the Swansea goal). Accordingly, it could be argued that we'd have a couple more clean sheets without those errors. This suggests that as a unit the back four are reasonably solid, without being tested against the division's best attacking threats. However, it is fair to say they have been tested against a variety of threats in terms of pace (Dyer, Ba, both Cisses), power (Holt, Ba) and guile (Michu, Hernandez, Taarabt). In terms of the unit Yoshida is a pretty good fit it seems (he's more mobile than Fonte, but not as strong). Individually, he has done reasonably well although was not as good last night as he was against QPR and Newcastle, but won a fair number of headers against Holt and for the most part was composed and positionally sound. Where the centre backs have a quick full back on both sides you notice they are more comfortable asserting themselves which they have done reasonably well of late. If this back four can stay together there is no reason why they shouldn't continue to improve particularly with the addition of a keeper they can rely on. For Yoshida himself, at best you would hope he could develop into a defender of the type (and ilk!) of Jagielka. He shows signs of reading the game well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 we did that against West Ham and look where it got us. Jos is finished at SFC because he's not got the composure required in the PL and at his age he won't acquire it . Out in January methinks, Celtic fans were right not a top class footballer although he was great for us in the NPC. Against 40 million £ strikers like Torres and Carroll, forget it. But he might have a future if we get relegated but I do agree with your post I never understood why we signed him when we could have had him on loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Yoshida was quite good at dealing with low crosses - the ones we usually concede an o.g. from He is not the biggest CB but he is quite mobile. Consequently he is not too vulnerable when e.g. having to move towards the sidelines and change direction quickly. You'll see some of the larger CBs that dread working towards the sidelines - they only want to work with their front towards the opposition's half... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Verdict on Yoshida last night guys? he was pretty poor IMO. Holt gave him a tough time as you'd expect, but letting the ball bounce is not what I want my centre half to be doing. Holt bullied him up until about five minutes before he was subbed. In those last five minutes Yoshida stood his ground and won headers. He should have been doing that all game. Another problem for me is that he doesn't tackle. He jockey's the attacker (which is fine) but when you do that you need to eventually put pressure on the player and lead him somewhere he doesn't want to go. Yoshida just lets the guys waltz past him - as Snodgrass did easily in the first half - thankfully Shaw got him out of jail. He doesn't mark well at corners. Holt was his man and had a totally free header at the back post - and let me assure you that was just one of many occasions when his man left him for dead. Fortunately the ball didn't find his man otherwise we would have been left exposed. His passing last last night was atrocious. OK so on occasions he can play a ball having spot a run that the forward stops of changes, that happens, but there were a few occasions when he just hit it into an area (under no pressure) where there wasn't a player within 30 yards. Clearing lines fine, but when you have time I expect better. On a couple of occasions he played some suicide balls. What the hell was he doing chipping it straight to their attacker in the second half? get Jos back in the side. He made a few mistakes, as the whole side did, but he is a better defender than Yoshida IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 He did mess up a couple of times but then again Saints were not really firing on all cylinders last night, so he wasn't the only one not firing!. Out of the back 4 Jose had a good game and so did Shaw - in fact Shaw was MOTM for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 29 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 November, 2012 I thought he was Gashida last night. Chez your summary is spot on. Man of the match for me was Luke Shaw, outstanding talent. Very impressed with how he is dealing with Premier league football physcially. Definitely one for the future. If I was a betting man I would say that Yoshida will be replaced in the window. Panic buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 29 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 November, 2012 although not sure Jos is our answer I am afraid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 What I find strange is that to me it seemed Adkins had no interest in signing him in the Summer until he arrived...in fact I think he said something along the lines of "no, we won't be signing him' as if he didn't rate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 What I find strange is that to me it seemed Adkins had no interest in signing him in the Summer until he arrived...in fact I think he said something along the lines of "no, we won't be signing him' as if he didn't rate him. I don't remember hearing Adkins say anything about him until he signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 He said we wouldn't be signing him but the stuff about not rating him is a ****** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynoldson!! Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Yoshida will come good, you mark my words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 He looks a class act to me and improves with every game. Brings more out of Fonte as well who now seems able to concentrate on his own job and makes fewer errors as a result. The guy is good make no mistake about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 He looks a class act to me and improves with every game. Brings more out of Fonte as well who now seems able to concentrate on his own job and makes fewer errors as a result. The guy is good make no mistake about that. We must have two Yoshida's then as that's not the guy I watched Wednesday. Hopefully he'll come good. The top half of our 'spine' in midfield and up top is strong but the lower half at CB and in Goal is not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 not the best CB ever, but him and fonte make a good pairing. jos plays like he's wearing rollerskates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 He had a bad game on Wednesday but was very good against QPR. He won't ever be the best in the world but he is young and still getting used to a new country/league he will have the odd bad performance now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 He had a bad game on Wednesday but was very good against QPR. He won't ever be the best in the world but he is young and still getting used to a new country/league he will have the odd bad performance now and again. superb! (I mean it too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 I think now Guly and Fox have been dropped he will be the next lamb on the altar. Probably, if you leave Gazzaniga out of the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Yoshida was quite good at dealing with low crosses - the ones we usually concede an o.g. from He is not the biggest CB but he is quite mobile. Consequently he is not too vulnerable when e.g. having to move towards the sidelines and change direction quickly. You'll see some of the larger CBs that dread working towards the sidelines - they only want to work with their front towards the opposition's half... I think that's more because he's played left back fairly frequently. Not right back though, looked like a fish out of water when he filled in there on his debut too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 It seem to be saying this alot about our players, he's good but he's learning. He made a mistake, he will because he's learning, heard this an awful lot recently. Which makes it all the more laughable that when a few of us spoke about the need for Premier league experience in the summer we were told we were wrong and that a good player is a good player regardless of what level they'd played at. Now it seems a good player is a good player but if they make mistakes in the Premier league that's fine because they are learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Well the average age in the first team is just over 23. We're bound to be learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Yeah, so do you not think it might have been an idea to have some players who arent learning to help out a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Agree entirely. Boruc and Davis seemed like a couple of reasonable signings (though still not enough) but then neither of them has proven to be any better than a bunch of kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Agree entirely. Boruc and Davis seemed like a couple of reasonable signings (though still not enough) but then neither of them has proven to be any better than a bunch of kids. Davis has been okay, Boruc was a panic buy when we realised we had screwed up by not signing an experienced keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Yeah, so do you not think it might have been an idea to have some players who arent learning to help out a bit? This applies to the mentality of so much in modern Britain. It's also why so many industries have a skills drain as no-one is willing to take the time to nuture talent. Better to sign players that can improve beyond their current capability then take the QPR option. But yes, the best way may be somewhere in the middle if you want immediate payback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 This applies to the mentality of so much in modern Britain. It's also why so many industries have a skills drain as no-one is willing to take the time to nuture talent. Better to sign players that can improve beyond their current capability then take the QPR option. But yes, the best way may be somewhere in the middle if you want immediate payback. WHo was saying about doing a QPR option? I said about getting some expeirence in to help out, rather than having an entire team learning and justify every mistake which costs us dearly with a shrug of the shoulders and an "oh well, they're learning". I was sneered at for suggesting this might be important during the transfer window, oh no, premier league experience is not important i was told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 It seem to be saying this alot about our players, he's good but he's learning. He made a mistake, he will because he's learning, heard this an awful lot recently. Which makes it all the more laughable that when a few of us spoke about the need for Premier league experience in the summer we were told we were wrong and that a good player is a good player regardless of what level they'd played at. Now it seems a good player is a good player but if they make mistakes in the Premier league that's fine because they are learning. You may recall I was one of the "experience" people, but I can accept the "learning" excuse provided we stay up and they learn enough to be useful to us in the future. Anything other than that and they're just not good enough. My concern with Yoshida is that some of his basic techniques in distributing the ball seem to be flawed, and as worrying, he's not great at anticipating the flight of the ball in the air, which... well, he's a centre back in England now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 WHo was saying about doing a QPR option? I said about getting some expeirence in to help out, rather than having an entire team learning and justify every mistake which costs us dearly with a shrug of the shoulders and an "oh well, they're learning". I was sneered at for suggesting this might be important during the transfer window, oh no, premier league experience is not important i was told. Well, you feel that taking so many players who are not the finished article (this can mean all young players.... they are all by definition still learning) is a mistake in itself, the polar opposite to this is the QPR option of signing big name established talent. As we well know, neither system is perfect and the middle grey area is probably the best route. Personally, for me of the two extremes its better to sign only players that have the potential to get better then ones that will only get worse and also lose their value (and the club millions) in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Yeah, so do you not think it might have been an idea to have some players who arent learning to help out a bit? Pretty sure I made this argument in late July. No point in having a load of talent without someone to teach them the bits they don't know. Then when we signed Davis, I was a little concerned about his previous few seasons in the lightweight SPL, but it was at least tempered by the knowledge that he could pass some useful information on. I also made a point about experience being useful in split-second decision making, which might have been handy with all of the own goals we conceded and in some of the earlier matches (say, Wigan) where the opposition knew how to kill the game when we were behind, and in the meantime we have chucked away more points than anyone. Would be interested to see how we compare to West Ham in terms of experience, they have a lot of ex-Prem players and that seems to be the main difference at the moment, despite them not signing many and finishing behind us last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Well, you feel that taking so many players who are not the finished article (this can mean all young players.... they are all by definition still learning) is a mistake in itself, the polar opposite to this is the QPR option of signing big name established talent. As we well know, neither system is perfect and the middle grey area is probably the best route. Personally, for me of the two extremes its better to sign only players that have the potential to get better then ones that will only get worse and also lose their value (and the club millions) in the process. Lawrie Mac mastered it. Some good young players with a handful of experiences pros to balance it out. Obviously it's unrealistic to expect us to sign England players like he did but a few season pros would be no bad thing, even if they dont play every week just having them around and their experience can only help the younger ones out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Lawrie Mac mastered it. Some good young players with a handful of experiences pros to balance it out. Obviously it's unrealistic to expect us to sign England players like he did but a few season pros would be no bad thing, even if they dont play every week just having them around and their experience can only help the younger ones out. Football was different in Lawrie Mac's day. Less driven or governed by money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Football was different in Lawrie Mac's day. Less driven or governed by money. Which is why i said it's unrealistic to sign England players like he did. Plenty of experienced men around though that would come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 decent defender, his passing is poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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