Mouldy Coat Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Sorry to put a negative on things, great saints performance over the last 3 games, really looking forward to the Norwich game. However, whilst I know that opinions differ (I've already had the debate in the pub after the Newcastle game), but for me Yoshida had a very bad game in the air. Yes he is more assured than Jos on the deck, but he struggled to deal with anything high in the air. I pointed this out as a concern at the start of the match and time and time again we watched Ba and Cisse get in front of him from high hopeful balls that Newcastle hit forward from the back - mostly Krul. He just didn't deal with them at all well. On numerous occasions I watched him let the ball bounce, his positioning was very poor meaning that he just didn't deal with the ball first time round. He was physically muscled out of he ariel contest. I am certain that if we had a commanding centre half like a Robert Huth or Shawcross of Stoke (not that they would leave Stoke for us) but we would be comfortably mid table or above. For those doubters, I'm talking about dealing with what should be meat and drink balls. Long direct balls from the back....it's a big worry for me. I didn't see many clean headers at all, it was either a poor headed clearance, or he let the ball drop. I so hope he can improve on this as having someone assured at the back to clear the lines would make a massive difference to a very talented team. I expect Saints will invest in the window. Someone like Dawson would be absolutely ideal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I think we missed a trick when we didn't look at Mic.hael Turner in the Summer. Something was badly wrong in the Summer with our recruitment, and it would be good to know who makes those decisions. Yoshida doesn't really look up to it as a CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Yoshi took a few games to settle - expected since team was defending poorly as a whole and he was played out of position couple of games. Looked solid against newcastle and played well last few games. Normal SWF muppets will decide he's no good after 2/3 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 What concerns me is that neither Huth/Shawcross/Gallas/Dawson/Turner would attract as many lovely Japanese women to St Mary's. I agree that Yoshida doesn't appear to play like a conventional Prem centre-back, but I like the fella, he can play the ball around, almost scored a wonderful scissors kick at QPR, and moves into positions that allow an out pass for players being closed down, which is a boon for our keep the ball way of playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Yoshida was good vs Newcastle. Stupid post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken With A Banjo Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 According to the statistics I have seen yoshida won 3 out of the 4 aerial duels he was involved in. This compares to 7/7 for fonte and 4/4 for shaw. Doesn't seem to bad on the face of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Didn't really care that Ba and Cisse won headers tbh, there was no one there to win the flick ons. I think Ba had his first meaningful touch with his feet in the 85th minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I think now Guly and Fox have been dropped he will be the next lamb on the altar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I don't think it's any coincidence at all that Fonte is playing much better with Maya alongside him. Yes, Yoshida has weaknesses - all players do, and I think you've highlighted his. However, his reading and covering are both good, allowing Fonte to be clearer on his role in our defensive set-up, and thus more decisive and quicker to react. Those reading and covering qualities of Maya's will allow Shaw to push forward, as Clyne is so quick to do on the other side, when Shaw's comfort level in the PL starts to increase. Also, Ba and Cissé are very big boys, which Maya isn't, and we won't see two strikers that tall very often this year. I don't think we can look at players just in isolation - we also have to look at their contribution to (and fit with) the players around them. All of that being said, I think we'll be looking for someone better in the window but I very much doubt that Dawson will be available - or even, necessarily, a good fit for Fonte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 What concerns me is that neither Huth/Shawcross/Gallas/Dawson/Turner would attract as many lovely Japanese women to St Mary's. I agree that Yoshida doesn't appear to play like a conventional Prem centre-back, but I like the fella, he can play the ball around, almost scored a wonderful scissors kick at QPR, and moves into positions that allow an out pass for players being closed down, which is a boon for our keep the ball way of playing. Ah, Japanese women, they are filthy, dirty (in a good way) *****es! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutwood2 Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I think now Guly and Fox have been dropped he will be the next lamb on the altar. Brilliant post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutwood2 Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I don't think it's any coincidence at all that Fonte is playing much better with Maya alongside him. Yes, Yoshida has weaknesses - all players do, and I think you've highlighted his. However, his reading and covering are both good, allowing Fonte to be clearer on his role in our defensive set-up, and thus more decisive and quicker to react. Those reading and covering qualities of Maya's will allow Shaw to push forward, as Clyne is so quick to do on the other side, when Shaw's comfort level in the PL starts to increase. Also, Ba and Cissé are very big boys, which Maya isn't, and we won't see two strikers that tall very often this year. I don't think we can look at players just in isolation - we also have to look at their contribution to (and fit with) the players around them. All of that being said, I think we'll be looking for someone better in the window but I very much doubt that Dawson will be available - or even, necessarily, a good fit for Fonte. Sorry. This was the brilliant post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Too late, I've already accepted your praise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I generally think Yoshida has been excellent in the last 2 games. Very composed, reading situations very quickly and reacting with the right decicions. If he has a weakness it would be his lack of physical presence against big strikers, and that his headers don't always have great distance on them - but generally, in terms of his all round game, he's improved as the rest of the side have improved. Will be interesting to see how he plays vs Holt...although I expect Fonte will be giving the instructions to mark him. I also agree that Fonte's game has come on with Maya alongside him, and we're now starting to see the fonte we all know and love. What that blip was about last season though, baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Personally I think now he has had a few games to settle in he has bought calmness to the back four, he reads the game well, he's good in the tackle and he's fairly quick. As someone above pointed out he won 3 out of his 4 aerial duels on Sunday (75%) whereas Ba won just 9% and Cisee 14%. He might not be the biggest physically but a lot of defending is in the head. Cannavaro was one of the best defenders in the world and he was only 5 ft 9 1⁄2 in. Sometimes you also accept that the striker is going to win the header, it's what they do after that's important. Andy Carroll wins a massive 11 aerial duels per game, yet he has one goal and no assists in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Yoshida is improving with every game, but so are all of the defence. Shaw is still just a kid and as well as starting him this season, Yoshida, Clyne and Gazzaniga are also new to the team, so not unnatural that they will take some time to gel together. I agree that Fonte has improved playing alongside Yoshida. Shaw adds balance to Clyne as they are both fast backs who can foray forwards, but quick enough to track back as cover. Although Gazzaniga showed signs of nerves earlier, he also seems to be growing and the other players appear to be increasingly comfortable with him behind them. We could do with more cover for each of them in January, but this back four don't look to be that far off a decent improving defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I thought Yoshida was brave ,decisive and played well, ok he has a forehead that seems square and so the ball does not go where he /we expect but a great improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I thought Yoshida was brave ,decisive and played well, ok he has a forehead that seems square and so the ball does not go where he /we expect but a great improvement. Agree but I feel he is slow to react on occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I am dreading the visit of Man City. Real chance for Mario to get on Yoshi's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Was superb vs QPR and looked very assured against Newcastle. Had a few dodgy moments when his headers went to Newcastle players but he'll improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I am dreading the visit of Man City. Real chance for Mario to get on Yoshi's back. Hang your head in shame Pap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I am afraid he hasn't impressed me since day one. He was better at qpr, but then they were truly shocking. It is not the case of having a "new" whipping boy, I just genuinely see him as the weak link. A proper 50p head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 superb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Yoshi's defending on Sunday was very good, as it was against QPR. Admittedly Ba and Cisse really did not cause too many problems but he dealt with everything superbly. Unfortunately for Yoshi some people will probably slate him for the rest of his Saints career based on the 2 matches when he played at LB and RB where he was absolutely awful. He has been a rock in defence apart from these 2 games and has formed a very good partnership with Fonte. BUT, his biggest weakness is his distribution - he does well to win the ball and then his passes more often than not go astray and his headers often fall to opposing players. And why anyone lets him take set pieces is beyond me. Stick to the day job Yoshi, you are very good at it, give up any notion of taking free kicks or playing as a wide defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I don't think it's any coincidence at all that Fonte is playing much better with Maya alongside him. Yes, Yoshida has weaknesses - all players do, and I think you've highlighted his. However, his reading and covering are both good, allowing Fonte to be clearer on his role in our defensive set-up, and thus more decisive and quicker to react. Those reading and covering qualities of Maya's will allow Shaw to push forward, as Clyne is so quick to do on the other side, when Shaw's comfort level in the PL starts to increase. Also, Ba and Cissé are very big boys, which Maya isn't, and we won't see two strikers that tall very often this year. I don't think we can look at players just in isolation - we also have to look at their contribution to (and fit with) the players around them. All of that being said, I think we'll be looking for someone better in the window but I very much doubt that Dawson will be available - or even, necessarily, a good fit for Fonte. Think Dawson would be available, though would bet it is more than likely he'll be off to cosy up with Saggyface once more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I'm far from convinced by Yoshida. I thought we should have given Jos more time to find his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Yoshida was good vs Newcastle. Stupid post. Indeed as any newcomer would he stuggled a bit in his first few games but he has really come good of late and was indeed very impressive against Newcastle. He and Fonte made Sisse and Ba look very ordinary indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Think Dawson would be available, though would bet it is more than likely he'll be off to cosy up with Saggyface once more. Said in the paper today that he wants to stay at Spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Thought Yoshida was excellent against Newcastle. Hes part of the reason the defence is working better as a unit. He took a while to settle granted at the beginning of the season but then so did a few. Dopey opening post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 27 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Not suggesting he can't play on the deck or do i want him as a scapegoat, but numerous times the ball was allowed to bounce because of his poor positioning to attack the ball in the air. That's all, if you can't see that or not spotted it, maybe you will notice in up coming games (hopefully not though!) :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Yoshi took a few games to settle - expected since team was defending poorly as a whole and he was played out of position couple of games. Looked solid against newcastle and played well last few games. Normal SWF muppets will decide he's no good after 2/3 games Could not agree more Glasgow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 27 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Loving the insults...muppets etc How was the haggis tonight sweaty? ;-) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Thought Yoshida was excellent against Newcastle. Hes part of the reason the defence is working better as a unit. He took a while to settle granted at the beginning of the season but then so did a few. Dopey opening post. He's looked more solid since Shaw and Cork have come into the team (I guess you could say that about the whole defence). Could be that he is able to hold his central position more because he doesn't have an AWOL left back to cover or may be he's just getting more protection from Spiderman now that Cork's allowing the latter to play the shielding midfielder role properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynoldson!! Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I am dreading the visit of Man City. Real chance for Mario to get on Yoshi's back. haha that is excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 I'm far from convinced by Yoshida. I thought we should have given Jos more time to find his feet. Why give Jos more time? He directly cost us points on more than one occasion (though quite a few players have) by making the same errors over and over. No composure in high pressure moments has given away penalties against United and City, madness gave 2 goals to Fulham, was dreadful against Andy sodding Carroll the worlds laziest forward and just failed miserably in those 25 mins against Arsenal. Though Yoshida hasn't been perfect (a make shift LB/RB he really isn't) he has really got something going with Fonte as the type of CB we need, one who can made good decisions and good tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Don't understand the negative defensive post after our first clean sheet of the season. Having watched him against Qpr he won every aerial battle he needed too and was outstanding. He adds pace and good reading of the game so can cover quickly. I like him, gives 100% and will become more of a leader as he settles into life in England. Cisse and ba, after the showings they have put on in this league were kept unusually quiet and yoshi played a big part in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 28 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2012 If you are going tonight then watch Yoshida's positioning for long balls forward from the Norwich goalkeeper. The problem is Yoshida 'getting set', he struggles to get in front of his man and let's too many balls bounce. He looks awkward... Over and out (last post on this subject, for fear of the bed wetters getting upset) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Is Yoshi the new Guly? Or the Old Fox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 He is gonna be World Class. We will sell him to pay for our Stadium Expansion And he will be playing against JRod in the WC Final in Rio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 He is gonna be World Class. We will sell him to pay for our Stadium Expansion And he will be playing against JRod in the WC Final in Rio At least Japan can be fairly certain of qualification and Maya of selection, more than you can say for England and JRod respectively really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 At least Japan can be fairly certain of qualification and Maya of selection, more than you can say for England and JRod respectively really. I'm sure he can find an Iberian or Mexican Grandmother somewhere. KHJay Rod sounds like it would work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 If you are going tonight then watch Yoshida's positioning for long balls forward from the Norwich goalkeeper. The problem is Yoshida 'getting set', he struggles to get in front of his man and let's too many balls bounce. He looks awkward... Over and out (last post on this subject, for fear of the bed wetters getting upset) He's not a 'no nonsense' CB though. Its' not why we brought him in. He's always going to have a tough game against the likes of Ba, Carroll, etc. But he's relatively quick and quick in the mind as well as he anticipates the game very well and can put in a good standing tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Too late, I've already accepted your praise. You cant when you get a basic saying wrong, its "lamb to the slaughter" not alter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 Why give Jos more time? He directly cost us points on more than one occasion (though quite a few players have) by making the same errors over and over. No composure in high pressure moments has given away penalties against United and City, madness gave 2 goals to Fulham, was dreadful against Andy sodding Carroll the worlds laziest forward and just failed miserably in those 25 mins against Arsenal. Though Yoshida hasn't been perfect (a make shift LB/RB he really isn't) he has really got something going with Fonte as the type of CB we need, one who can made good decisions and good tackles. Unlike most on here, I didn't write off Fonte after a few mistakes and he has done well given time to find his feet. People were far too quick to write him off and I think the same mistake has been made with Jos. I trust Adkinss judgement, but people quickly forget what an outstanding season Jos had last year. He was instrumental in our promotion, far more so than Hammond or Sharp IMO and he hasn't suddenly become a bad player or `found out' at this level. he won't be the last to foul Tevez in the box and if you look closely he was desperately trying to make up for other peoples errors when sliding in against Manure. others were equally or more to blame for that goal. Blocking, what turned out to be a not goal bound shot, is hardly a reason to cast Jos into the wilderness IMO. Cut out the source for all this pressure and he would look solid as the other defenders are starting to. The less defending you do the less chance of making an error. For me the whole side were to blame for the `poor defending' three games ago and further back. Not keeping the ball further up the field ensured the back four were under tremendous pressure and that leads to goals. Lambert, Lallana and Ramirez were all hugely guilty of this in some earlier games. The fullbacks didn't prevent crosses and the wide midfielders didn't help the fullbacks. Some of the mistakes you point out could have been and have been made by any centre back. Fonte was robbed against Wigan and both him and Yoshida has been found wanting positionally on numerous occasions, some punished some not. How about Yoshida letting Defoe waltz down the line with no tackle or pressure before there goal? What about the slips and ball watching from Clyne? By the way Jos had a decent game at West Ham. He had Carroll in his pocket IMO, who in the end reverted to falling over and crying until the ref fell for it, so I don't agree with your assessment that game. Did any player come out of the Arsenal game with much credit? I'm not sure I see this great partnership between Yoshida and Fonte yet. They were all over the place in the first quarter of an hour against Newcastle until the supply ran out. Obviously I hope Yoshida continues to improve and Jos isn't needed, but if he is I'm not going to be admitting defeat before the match begins. He'll do fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 The aerial part of Yoshida's game worries the hell out of me as well,he was not convincing against Newcastle at all. The trouble for me is that most of his headed clearances either go straight up in the air or do not generate enough power to become a good clearance and as for the clearance that failed to reach touch and sent Demba Ba away down the touchline. Why does he still pass back to Gazza so much? As far as I can see there is plenty of room for improvement and we definately need at least one class defender in january. I hold my hands help regarding Fonte,because I did not think he was a premier league defender,however he has been superb for the last few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 It's Yoshi's positioning that lets him down. That really does worry me against teams that can carve through teams like Arsenal did. The hoof ball merchants actually worry me less. It was good to see him hoof the ball himself on Sunday - clearly been drummed into him to clear his lines rather than eff around with the ball. He may gain us fans in the lucrative and developing far-eastern market. I do not expect to see him replaced soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 I think Yoshi has looked a good signing now he is getting some cover from CM. That said, watching the 'highlights' of the Stoke game at the weekend and I was thinking how they would murder us on set pieces. Would get Jos back in for that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 I think Yoshi has looked a good signing now he is getting some cover from CM. That said, watching the 'highlights' of the Stoke game at the weekend and I was thinking how they would murder us on set pieces. Would get Jos back in for that game. we did that against West Ham and look where it got us. Jos is finished at SFC because he's not got the composure required in the PL and at his age he won't acquire it . Out in January methinks, Celtic fans were right not a top class footballer although he was great for us in the NPC. Against 40 million £ strikers like Torres and Carroll, forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 28 November, 2012 Share Posted 28 November, 2012 we did that against West Ham and look where it got us. Jos is finished at SFC because he's not got the composure required in the PL and at his age he won't acquire it . Out in January methinks, Celtic fans were right not a top class footballer although he was great for us in the NPC. Against 40 million £ strikers like Torres and Carroll, forget it. To be fair, it worked pretty well Carroll never had a sniff, it's just when we went behind that we collapsed as a team, now we are collectively more confident and cork is screening the back 4 we might be able to re-integrate some of the players who have struggled, we will need to utilise our squad players before the season is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 29 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Verdict on Yoshida last night guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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