Lighthouse Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 There are a few like Mayuka, JWP, S. Davis on the fringes of the squad who will no doubt stay but there are a fair few others who can't get near the first team. Who do we think might or should move on in January? Hammond - On loan for the season but I'd have thought a permanent deal with Brighton would make sense for all 3 parties. Sharp - Same as Hammond, can't really see him getting a look in here. Barnard - Loan expires in January. Would look to sell. Seaborne - Only on loan till the day after we play Reading. I was never convinced by him in League 1. Would look to sell. Forte - Not even named in our 25 man squad Dickson - As above De Ridder - CDAJF a Championship club, wont get a look in here Guly - We have better options now and should probably look to find one or two more in January Chaplow - Is he good enough, does he fit our current system? Don't think so. Lee - Maybe he just needs time after his injury. Not sure on this one, he did look good in his brief spell last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 (edited) Unless we find better, there's no sense in selling the likes of Guly, Chaplow and Lee. Guly in particular at the moment is in the same category as the players in your first sentence, and I actually think he could do a job for us off the bench in some situations. All the others in your list however I agree should be moved on. Edited 26 November, 2012 by Saint_clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 What was everyone saying about puncheon this time last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 What was everyone saying about puncheon this time last year? Entirely different situation. We shouldn't blindly hold onto every single player on our books just in case they come good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Can't really sell Guly as it stands - He's probably our 1st choice back-up for each of the 3 floating positions behind the striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Unless we find better, there's no sense in selling the likes of Guly, Chaplow and Lee. Guly in particular at the moment is in the same category as the players in your first sentence, and I actually think he could do a job for us off the bench in some situations. All the others in your list however I agree should be moved on. The sense would be that we have quite a bloated squad at the moment, and selling them off would also bring our wages down quite significantly. I'd like to see us free up wages to bring in a very good CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Will depend who we bring in. If we bring in another attacking player then one will go. Doesn't make a huge amount of sense selling all of our backup players as suspensions and injuries will happen. Would certainly look to sell a few of them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 De Ridder - gone not needed Seaborne - again not needed Dickson - not needed pretty much just cutting some of the dead weight on our list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 The sense would be that we have quite a bloated squad at the moment, and selling them off would also bring our wages down quite significantly. I'd like to see us free up wages to bring in a very good CB. So who do we then have as back up instead of those three? Sam Hoskins, Callum Chambers and Jake Sinclair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Can't really sell Guly as it stands - He's probably our 1st choice back-up for each of the 3 floating positions behind the striker. What exactly is Gulys best position?, for me he doesnt give the ball away as much as people seem to think. I think we will keep Hammond / Sharp / Barnard out on loan just in case the dreaded 'R' word happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 What exactly is Gulys best position?, for me he doesnt give the ball away as much as people seem to think. I think we will keep Hammond / Sharp / Barnard out on loan just in case the dreaded 'R' word happens. His best position is, unfortunately for him, the one that Ramirez has nailed down. It's where he played before he came here. For us though, his best form came playing up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Even if we sold all of those players, which we wont, it still leaves us with a fair amount of decent back up. 2 'keepers, Richardson, Jos, Fox, S. Davis, JWP, Mayuka and J Rod. That's a first team squad of 20 players. With 3 or 4 new signings that would be a pretty strong squad. In reality I think we will see 2 or 3 players sold, a couple of extended loans and maybe 2 or 3 signings. Also I forgot to add Butters to the list of players who can leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Hammond will go, though after talking to a Brighton fan he's not been all that good (apparently we broke him but I blame Colchester) De Ridder has to go, L1 or the champ. Seaborne on loan and cannot expect to come back. Chaplow hasn't played in the prem this year, JWP has, says a lot about Chaplow and will be sold at some point. Dickson and Forte should have gone last summer, even before then.... Will not be on the books by next summer. Sharp is a bit odd, probably will go sadly but at the end of the year depending on where we are (similar to Sam Baldock's short spell at West Ham who's now sold to Bristol City) Lee needs to get back his fitness and probably wont be out the door. Guly is cover for now. 18 months will probably be the end of his Saints career but for now he is essential cover. Barnard quietly shuffled out the door at some point soon too. Butters is probably winding up for coaching qualifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I can see sharp and Hammond staying all season where they are. Same for barney Seaborne Butterfield Dickson De ridder Should be moved on We need a good CB in at the very least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I can't see us selling anybody until the summer when we know what league we will be in, especially those already out on loan. If we sold the "Championship" quality players in Jan and then got relegated we would in effect need to go out and re-sign players of a similar standard. Saints have effectively taken out an insurance policy against relegation by only loaning these players out. Of course, we could have 30+ points by the end of January and the landscape changes (here's hoping!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 His best position is, unfortunately for him, the one that Ramirez has nailed down. It's where he played before he came here. For us though, his best form came playing up front. I think you are right, is he good enough back up to Ramirez? who for me oooozed class yesterday?. It was also good to see him tracking back and putting in challenges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmidlandsaint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 With Billy Sharp I think it will depend on whether we stay up, if we do go down and one of Lambert, JRod or Mayuka goes he could be welcomed back in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Most of those will be kept on the book until the end of the season, if we are relegated (fingers crossed we won't be) then some of them are the ready made replacements to come in and fire us back into the premier league filling any holes created by us loosing the likes of Lallana, Lambert and Shaw etc who maybe wanted by prmier league clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Butterfield I think will stay as he's the only senior player who seems to regularly play for the youth team. Sure he's kind of looking at a coaching role in the club, and also a good professional for the youngsters to look up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 There are a few like Mayuka, JWP, S. Davis on the fringes of the squad who will no doubt stay but there are a fair few others who can't get near the first team. Who do we think might or should move on in January? Hammond - On loan for the season but I'd have thought a permanent deal with Brighton would make sense for all 3 parties. Sharp - Same as Hammond, can't really see him getting a look in here. Barnard - Loan expires in January. Would look to sell. Seaborne - Only on loan till the day after we play Reading. I was never convinced by him in League 1. Would look to sell. Forte - Not even named in our 25 man squad Dickson - As above De Ridder - CDAJF a Championship club, wont get a look in here Guly - We have better options now and should probably look to find one or two more in January Chaplow - Is he good enough, does he fit our current system? Don't think so. Lee - Maybe he just needs time after his injury. Not sure on this one, he did look good in his brief spell last year. Don't forget Mayuka will almost certainly be off to the African Cup of Nations at this time. We may well need Lee as an impact sub or even a starter should Puncheon get injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Don't forget Mayuka will almost certainly be off to the African Cup of Nations at this time. We may well need Lee as an impact sub or even a starter should Puncheon get injured. We'll probably need him to go to the African nations cup to get him match fit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Lee has not had an opportunity to prove himself at this level yet - keep. Guly is a good back up for Ramirez. Won't score too many goals but his pass completion rate has always been good - keep. Chaplow is a reall battler in the middle at any level - keep. Can't make out Steve de Ridder. Talent is undoubted but his self motivation must be lacking otherwise he would be in or around the 18 on match day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Lee has not had an opportunity to prove himself at this level yet - keep. Guly is a good back up for Ramirez. Won't score too many goals but his pass completion rate has always been good - keep. Chaplow is a reall battler in the middle at any level - keep. Can't make out Steve de Ridder. Talent is undoubted but his self motivation must be lacking otherwise he would be in or around the 18 on match day. Really? I've never seen anything that special from him, aside from the goal V Reading (even then, he nearly missed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Really? I've never seen anything that special from him, aside from the goal V Reading (even then, he nearly missed). I think de ridder could still be a good impact sub ive always liked him. Hes one of those players that looks really comfortable with the ball and also has the pace to make things happen. His problem has been his decision making. Tbh though it doesnt look like adkins rates him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 There are a few like Mayuka, JWP, S. Davis on the fringes of the squad who will no doubt stay but there are a fair few others who can't get near the first team. Who do we think might or should move on in January? Hammond - On loan for the season but I'd have thought a permanent deal with Brighton would make sense for all 3 parties. Sharp - Same as Hammond, can't really see him getting a look in here. Barnard - Loan expires in January. Would look to sell. Seaborne - Only on loan till the day after we play Reading. I was never convinced by him in League 1. Would look to sell. Forte - Not even named in our 25 man squad Dickson - As above De Ridder - CDAJF a Championship club, wont get a look in here Guly - We have better options now and should probably look to find one or two more in January Chaplow - Is he good enough, does he fit our current system? Don't think so. Lee - Maybe he just needs time after his injury. Not sure on this one, he did look good in his brief spell last year. Would suggest you wait to see where we are in the table in January before consigning Hammond, Sharp and Chaplow to the bin. And you are being a bit previous over Chung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Lee won't go along with Yoshida and the change to the red kit it's Cortese dream to get into the Japan market on shirt sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I think de ridder could still be a good impact sub ive always liked him. Hes one of those players that looks really comfortable with the ball and also has the pace to make things happen. His problem has been his decision making. Tbh though it doesnt look like adkins rates him He's poor. He is fast but thats about it. He gets the ball stuck under his feet and has very little awareness about what is going on around him. Also his final ball is extremely poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Can't see any sales at all to be honest. Our squad isn't huge, those on loan will no doubt stay on loan and probably a couple more will follow, but I can't see any being sold yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 From the current first team I could see Jos, Fox and Chaplow moving out at least on loan deals. I think Guly will stick around until the end of the season and Forte/Dickson will train until their contracts run out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Fox. Get rid. Terrible. We also still need to buy a centre back. Or have two results made us forget? I also think we could do with cover for Cork as, although he's performing miracles protecting the back four, an injury would royally hinder us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I can't see many (if any) being sold in January, simply because the wages any likely departing players are earning are probably much higher than their quality deserves. That's not their fault, and to an extent it's not the club's fault either as many of them are as a result of automatic increases written into their contracts as a result of the two successive promotions. Ryan Dickson's the perfect example. He was good for us in League One but didn't get a look-in last season, so would have been an obvious candidate to move on, and he'd apparently agreed to sign for Yeovil if the deal was sorted, but because his wages had increased so much as a result of the promotions, Yeovil then couldn't afford him at his current salary (and Saints wouldn't pay up part of his contract to get him out, apparently). I know footballers get accused of only thinking of their wallets, but if you or I were in a position to earn far more than our "market rate" for a year or two and not have to work too hard to do so, I'm sure the vast majority of us would take that option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Fox. Get rid. Terrible. We also still need to buy a centre back. Or have two results made us forget? I also think we could do with cover for Cork as, although he's performing miracles protecting the back four, an injury would royally hinder us. Indeed, we still need to buy in the window, a LB (Olson?), a CB(Dann, Davies?) and a DM (Id love to get Biglia). We lose say Cork, Fonte and Clyne to injury and we'd be in real trouble depth wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Don't think there will be any clear out of players in January, reason being wages. The not required players are NPC standard at best, but are being paid PL wages which can't be afforded by lower league clubs. All players seem to have got promotion wage rises to PL level and some contracts appear to have had one year extensions on promotion built in. In Dickson's case there is a suggestion that one more game would trigger an additional payment to Brentford, hence he don't turn out for us anymore. Different story come summer when contracts will start to run out, then players will leave for whatever deal they can get elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Indeed, we still need to buy in the window, a LB (Olson?), a CB(Dann, Davies?) and a DM (Id love to get Biglia). We lose say Cork, Fonte and Clyne to injury and we'd be in real trouble depth wise We have a problem with the Left back spot. Shaw has been nothing short of superb since he's come in. Yes he's 17 but it would be harsh to bring in someone and block his progress. But on the other hand we've already seen Fox isn't good enough if Shaw gets injured, but at the same time what player is going to want to come here to potentially be 2nd in line to Shaw ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 If Shaw does get injured, they I'd imagine Fox would "do" at left back. But yes, would be good to have some class back up in case. But would someone come in as back up and would they want to block Shaw's development/progress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 If Shaw does get injured, they I'd imagine Fox would "do" at left back. But yes, would be good to have some class back up in case. But would someone come in as back up and would they want to block Shaw's development/progress? We should bring a left back in. Shaw has been excellent but it's not right or fair to Shaw to rely on a 17 year old with a handful of games under his belt. Fox isn't up to it, quite simply. Young players form often goes up and down as they develop and if he gets torn a new one in soem games which he inevitable will do at some point, his confidence could well suffer as well. I'd like to see an experienced left back and centre half brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 If Shaw does get injured, they I'd imagine Fox would "do" at left back. But yes, would be good to have some class back up in case. But would someone come in as back up and would they want to block Shaw's development/progress? Unfortunately I think fox has proven - numerous times - that he won't 'do'. Just missing Cork and Ramirez exposed us and these were in positions we had several options. Just look how NUFC are struggling with their spate of injuries, you can't account for every eventuality but cover is definitely need at LB and CB which pretty much everyone has been saying for months and you can only imagine the club realise this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Reed has said we have identified four players to come in. Left Back, Centre Back, Midfielder, Defender. Wouldn't name them. That means four out unless U21 player coming in, if they come off but all make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Reed has said we have identified four players to come in. Left Back, Centre Back, Midfielder, Defender. Wouldn't name them. That means four out unless U21 player coming in, if they come off but all make sense. Would be surprised if we bring in 3 defenders to start. That would suggest 2 cb's and a left back which would be extremely harsh on Fonte, Yoshi and Shaw. Although I do agree that we can improve in this area, and that we also need backup, but I don't think changing the whole defence just as we're starting to get some consistency would be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Reed has said we have identified four players to come in. Left Back, Centre Back, Midfielder, Defender. Wouldn't name them. That means four out unless U21 player coming in, if they come off but all make sense. Do left backs and centre backs not count as defenders these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Do left backs and centre backs not count as defenders these days? I don't think ours do based on this season's evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Reed has said we have identified four players to come in. Left Back, Centre Back, Midfielder, Defender. Wouldn't name them. That means four out unless U21 player coming in, if they come off but all make sense. When did he say this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I can't see many (if any) being sold in January, simply because the wages any likely departing players are earning are probably much higher than their quality deserves. That's not their fault, and to an extent it's not the club's fault either as many of them are as a result of automatic increases written into their contracts as a result of the two successive promotions. Ryan Dickson's the perfect example. He was good for us in League One but didn't get a look-in last season, so would have been an obvious candidate to move on, and he'd apparently agreed to sign for Yeovil if the deal was sorted, but because his wages had increased so much as a result of the promotions, Yeovil then couldn't afford him at his current salary (and Saints wouldn't pay up part of his contract to get him out, apparently). I know footballers get accused of only thinking of their wallets, but if you or I were in a position to earn far more than our "market rate" for a year or two and not have to work too hard to do so, I'm sure the vast majority of us would take that option. This Thought this for a while, it always makes me laugh when players are accused of moving for money, see the likes of Drogba etc There is a man who has won all the silverwear and adulation he deserves, and has been offered a massive salary to see out his career, of course you would go for it. I agree aswell we wont see wholesale changes moving out, it depends on where we are come jan and what comes in, this year will be massively transitional, you need a competetive side that in reality you can keep together should the worst happen, the real fringe players will perhaps move on, those being the ones who do not make our bench. If you think Fox or Guly will move on ypu are mistaken IMO unless we sign adequate replacements (which I also doubt this year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Reed has said we have identified four players to come in. Left Back, Centre Back, Midfielder, Defender. Wouldn't name them. That means four out unless U21 player coming in, if they come off but all make sense. Was this something mentioned recently ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Would be surprised if we bring in 3 defenders to start. That would suggest 2 cb's and a left back which would be extremely harsh on Fonte, Yoshi and Shaw. Although I do agree that we can improve in this area, and that we also need backup, but I don't think changing the whole defence just as we're starting to get some consistency would be a good idea. I don't think we'll drop Fonte and Shaw, im still not convinced by Yoshida though, could do with a better CB and have him as first reserve. Jos and Fox not up to the PL i'm afraid (and they've had chances). JWP will hopefully back the midfield two in a year or two (still think he needs to bulk up a bit) Just hope Cortese doesnt spend all of Jan chasing a 10m striker we dont need and looks at the back 4! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 LOL to many play football manager or Fifa & believe you simply "move players out" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2012 LOL to many play football manager or Fifa & believe you simply "move players out" lol Nobody believes it's that simple. As Steve said, many of them have probably had a pay rise well above their market value so will be unwilling to leave and take a pay cut. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to offload some of them. Players like Sharp, Hammond and Chaplow will be in fairly high demand by teams trying to get promoted from the Championship, it's all about getting the right price and wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 LOL to many play football manager or Fifa & believe you simply "move players out" lol but you can move players out of the 25 man PL squad without moving them on to another club. Dickson is only in the squad because he has to be if we don't have a full compliment and he has an ongoing contract. We could simply just draft in 4 new players (over 21s) and ship 4 out of the current group to the stands or the development group or whatever. Fully expect the Dickson situation to be resolved though we'll probably just pay him off and let him go, Seaborne likewise. That leaves 2 places already and I get the feeling we may move KD on too. So we'd just have to shift one more player out if we're looking at adding 4 and I'm thinking either Butterfield or Reeves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Ideally, the following permanently out would be sensible for the quality being strived for: Hammond Sharp Seaborne Forte Dickson Guly Chaplow Butterfield loan: De Ridder: Out to champ side, still feel a consistent run in a mid table team could bring out a decent, effective player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Does every player receive a payrise from being promoted to the Prem? Surely some are still on Champ wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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