Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Watched MOTD this morning. Why didn't they show the two penalty shouts that we had. Both looked pretty stonewall from where I was... What did others think? Also the offside goal was ONSIDE. Cracking finish from J-Rod though!
LGTL Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Thought the first one was nailed on, second I'm not so sure about.
stu0x Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 I suspect if the match had finished 2-2, with Newcastle getting two penalties in identical circumstances, everyone would be pretty outraged... they were debatable at best, in which case it shouldn't be given. Rodriguez's goal was definitely onside.
Saint Without a Halo Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Match was on live in full and repeated again here in Dubai pundits view was Rodriquez goal was certainly onside, one of the two penalties looked like a good shout, Fontes tackle was spot on and he got the ball so shouldn't have been booked. Also the advantage played on the initial foul on Ramirez on the edge of the area was debatebale when compared to the danger the free kick would have posed from there. There were a number of petty fouls on Ramirez and he let his frustration get him booked. He needs to make sure he can avoid reaction going forward if he wants to avoid suspensions as he was and will continue to be targetted.
fanimal Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Seen game on Football First, second Ramirez penalty claim blatant. why go down when he was in on goal FGS!!!!
Turkish Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 LGTL said: Thought the first one was nailed on, second I'm not so sure about. I thought it was the other way round. the first one looked a clear dive from my view in block 3, the second one he got clipped, tried to stay on his feet but couldn't. It wasn't much of a contact but enough to make him lose his stride and balance. One of them that it's a definitely pen when its; your team, but a terrible decison when it's the opposition!
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Thing that annoyed me is that surely they're either penalties or dives? Referee gave neither.
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Quote Thing that annoyed me is that surely they're either penalties or dives? Referee gave neither. No they're not. They could just be stumbles.
Turkish Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Whitey Grandad said: No they're not. They could just be stumbles. Nah, the first one was a dive, we said at the time he was lucky not to be booked. The second one he definitely got clipped though.
Bearsy Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 On the internet stream the first one looked a penalty to me. The dumb commentaters weren't having it, they was like "he never touched him!" tho he quite clearly got a tap on the ankles. Second one not so much.
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Officials were making it up as they went along. Atkinson wasn't even going to award a free kick against Fonte until Tiote started feigning injury. Ramirez clipped so at least one clear penalty, J Rod onside, corners not given, throw ins given the wrong way. All that was missing from the officiating team was the comedy red noses and the exploding car to go off in.
SaintWill71 Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 LGTL said: Thought the first one was nailed on, second I'm not so sure about. Other way round for me, first one he seemed to brush the defender and hit the deck, second there was clear contact that completely knocked him over but he managed to stumble on in trying to stay on his feet, I was back of the Northam though!
Big Bad Bob Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 No-one has mentioned the push on Lambert in the first half. That was a dead cert penalty, you can't physically contort your body like that in mid air.... For the two Gaston shouts in the second half, the first looked like he was looking for it the second looked a dead cert (from my seat in the Chapel)....
LostBoys Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Ok a question over the Ramirez first one but I hought the second one was obvious and even more so the push on Lambert just as he was about to reach the header. All in all a shocking performance by the officials particularly when the NUFC full back sliced it out and was then given the throw. Even he laughed.
Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Posted 26 November, 2012 Big Bad Bob said: No-one has mentioned the push on Lambert in the first half. That was a dead cert penalty, you can't physically contort your body like that in mid air.... For the two Gaston shouts in the second half, the first looked like he was looking for it the second looked a dead cert (from my seat in the Chapel).... Thing is though that happens all the time. If it was outside the box it probably would have been a foul. As it was inside the officials seem to think it needs to be assault to win a penalty. We're a small club in this division which makes it a lot less likely we'll get decisions. Just the way it is. They were abysmal yesterday, probably one of the worst group performances from the officials i've seen in a long time. **** refs, we always get **** refs...
up and away Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Quote Thing that annoyed me is that surely they're either penalties or dives? Referee gave neither. It's never that straight forward as demonstrated by the expert analysis on the TV of another game. Everyone in clear agreement that there was no penalty because there was no physical contact. All well and good until you account for the fact that if the player does not deliberately jump out of the way, both his feet get taken out and it's a stone wall penalty.
Wes Tender Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Yes, the officials' performance was abysmal. Sometimes from throws given the wrong way, or corners awarded the wrong way, or penalties denied, valid goals being disallowed, or cards issued wrongly, matches can be won or lost. Thank God that didn't come to pass because of the incompetance of the match officials at least, or else there would have been a mighty uproar from us.
The9 Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 LostBoys said: Ok a question over the Ramirez first one but I hought the second one was obvious and even more so the push on Lambert just as he was about to reach the header. All in all a shocking performance by the officials particularly when the NUFC full back sliced it out and was then given the throw. Even he laughed. Twice.
Turkish Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Hopefully we've got our one totally incompetent referee performance we get every season out of the way in a game where it didn't matter.
Bearsy Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 If Clattenburg puts in a performance like that Wednesday he'll be in for some "You Know What You Are" type abuse.
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 The9 said: Twice. yup, unbelievable. Clear two yards of daylight from my angle.
Turkish Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Whitey Grandad said: yup, unbelievable. Clear two yards of daylight from my angle. can i just remind you the game is played with humans not technology and the lineman made the decsion, no one else matters.
Saint_clark Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Turkish said: can i just remind you the game is played with humans not technology and the lineman made the decsion, no one else matters. I'm not so sure the linesman did make the decision on the first one. Him and the ref looked at each other for a good 20 seconds before the ref hesitantly gave it Newcastles way.
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Turkish said: can i just remind you the game is played with humans not technology and the lineman made the decsion, no one else matters. No need for technology on these ones. They were both in the referee's quarter of the pitch. Saint_clark said: I'm not so sure the linesman did make the decision on the first one. Him and the ref looked at each other for a good 20 seconds before the ref hesitantly gave it Newcastles way. Definitely Atkinson's decision for the second. I saw Adam asking the linesman why and he then pointed to the referee. It looked pretty definite to me that he was passing the buck.
Golden Balls Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Kingsbridge Saint said: Officials were making it up as they went along. Atkinson wasn't even going to award a free kick against Fonte until Tiote started feigning injury. This was the worst decision of the lot for me. Some of the others you could argue he didnt have a good angle or whatever but this one he saw the challenge, followed the ball, looked to carry on play, noticed Tiote rolling around like he'd been shot so gave a foul and booking. He basically guessed it must have been bad. What made is worse was the commentator on MOTD2 said "He didn't even get the ball". All Fonte got was the ball, great tackle.
mcjwills Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Bearsy said: If Clattenburg puts in a performance like that Wednesday he'll be in for some "You Know What You Are" type abuse. Hope not nobody deserves that kind of abuse.
Miltonroader07 Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 The first pen was a pen, the second maybe not, I think JRod was offside
Big Bad Bob Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Bearsy said: If Clattenburg puts in a performance like that Wednesday he'll be in for some "You Know What You Are" type abuse. PC Chant of the day from the Northam "The referee's appalling" Golden Balls said: This was the worst decision of the lot for me. Some of the others you could argue he didnt have a good angle or whatever but this one he saw the challenge, followed the ball, looked to carry on play, noticed Tiote rolling around like he'd been shot so gave a foul and booking. He basically guessed it must have been bad. What made is worse was the commentator on MOTD2 said "He didn't even get the ball". All Fonte got was the ball, great tackle. To be fair it was the first action shown on MTD2 last night and he got the ball then caught him with his foot as he slid through......
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Golden Balls said: This was the worst decision of the lot for me. Some of the others you could argue he didnt have a good angle or whatever but this one he saw the challenge, followed the ball, looked to carry on play, noticed Tiote rolling around like he'd been shot so gave a foul and booking. He basically guessed it must have been bad. What made is worse was the commentator on MOTD2 said "He didn't even get the ball". All Fonte got was the ball, great tackle. It looked a good strong tackle to me form my excellent position 50 yards away in the Kingsland. Then on MOTD2 from a lower angle you could see that the follow-through caught Tiote on the ankle. Booking? Perhaps.
Golden Balls Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Whitey Grandad said: It looked a good strong tackle to me form my excellent position 50 yards away in the Kingsland. Then on MOTD2 from a lower angle you could see that the follow-through caught Tiote on the ankle. Booking? Perhaps. I missed this follow through foot. I'll have a look again later. Was it bad enough to warrant the rolling around in agony? Was it a booking? And why did the red only give it after looking at him rolling around? He certainly wasn't waiting for an advantage.
Big Bad Bob Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Golden Balls said: I missed this follow through foot. I'll have a look again later. Was it bad enough to warrant the rolling around in agony? Was it a booking? And why did the red only give it after looking at him rolling around? He certainly wasn't waiting for an advantage. No and probably, IMHO, who knows, maybe he was waiting for the assistant to say something over the earpiece....
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Golden Balls said: I missed this follow through foot. I'll have a look again later. Was it bad enough to warrant the rolling around in agony? Was it a booking? And why did the red only give it after looking at him rolling around? He certainly wasn't waiting for an advantage. Let's be charitable and say that he was taking his time to think about it. Fonte's leg was locked straight and his studs were showing maybe. I don't know of any ref who takes account of the rolling around, but it's always possible.
Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Posted 26 November, 2012 Apparently 20 minutes of highlights on Saints Player, so someone can have a look on there about the pens sure they'll be on there.
Wes Tender Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Golden Balls said: I missed this follow through foot. I'll have a look again later. Was it bad enough to warrant the rolling around in agony? Was it a booking? And why did the red only give it after looking at him rolling around? He certainly wasn't waiting for an advantage. Undoubtedly there was a lot of amateur dramatics involved from their player. It really was laughable the way that he eventually got up and hobbled theatrically and if he was a horse, he would have risked being shot. But thankfully for all who hold him dear, the injury was nowhere near career or life threatening and after a few more minor hobbles when he got up and tried to re-enter the game, he was soon running about like a newborn lamb.
Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Posted 26 November, 2012 Wes Tender said: Undoubtedly there was a lot of amateur dramatics involved from their player. It really was laughable the way that he eventually got up and hobbled theatrically and if he was a horse, he would have risked being shot. But thankfully for all who hold him dear, the injury was nowhere near career or life threatening and after a few more minor hobbles when he got up and tried to re-enter the game, he was soon running about like a newborn lamb. I have a feeling that was a different occasion. The Fonte challenge was on Tiote IIRC and the player who was down then got up soon after was Cisse. On a side note, I was really unimpressed by him and Ba yesterday.
benjii Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Saint Garrett said: Apparently 20 minutes of highlights on Saints Player, so someone can have a look on there about the pens sure they'll be on there. Just had a look. First one looked like an, ahem, anticipatory fall although the defender did dangle a leg which probably made Ramirex think he was about to get swiped and you would not be at all surprised to concede a penalty if your defender made that tackle on a Man U / Chelsea / Arsenal etc.. player. Second one you couldn't really tell as the angle wasn't great. Don't think it was a dive but maybe just a stumble. Rodrigues' goal was onside though. FACT.
bunterboy99 Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 I hate moaning about officials, but it seemed every single borderline decision went against us yesterday. A feeling confirmed watching it back on TV. Thankfully it didnt matter, but that was some pretty ropey officiating from all three of them
Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Posted 26 November, 2012 Fair enough, I thought the first was debateable but the second was pretty nailed on. I'll have a look tonight.
Viking Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 bunterboy99 said: I hate moaning about officials, but it seemed every single borderline decision went against us yesterday. A feeling confirmed watching it back on TV. Thankfully it didnt matter, but that was some pretty ropey officiating from all three of them agree....seemed like nothing was going to go our way...monomentally inept all round...good job we did enough so it didn't matter..
redder freak Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 benjii said: you would not be at all surprised to concede a penalty if your defender made that tackle on a Man U / Chelsea / Arsenal etc.. player. Very true. We haven't yet got the kudos to get those kind of penalties in the premier league. We're regarded as a championship side a bit above our station which will be very lucky not to get relegated. Ramirez could easily get those penalties awarded if he chose to play for a more fashionable club. But things could change. Keep the hope! Live the dream!
Huffton Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Nobhead commentator on football first reckoned Ramirez was already stumbling for the second one, yeah, right:rolleyes: Was as clear a pen as you'll see, first one looked a bit of a hopeful fall, although I did go mental at the time. J Rod so clearly onside it was embarrassing. Bearsy said: If Clattenburg puts in a performance like that Wednesday he'll be in for some "You Know What You Are" type abuse. I would hope Saints fans show a bit more class than that, lets leave the boneheaded idiocy to the chelsea and whu neanderthals
laughba Posted 26 November, 2012 Posted 26 November, 2012 Both were stonewall seen the replays on saints player.
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