Thedelldays Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Lallana has transformed his game in the last few weeks. Instead of going walkabout he has leaned how to defend the wings better Watching his skill going forward, it is such a mockery that (for example) jonjo shelvey is a shoe-in for England squads, yet Adam is not. He is really stepping up now after looking lost in the first 7 games or so Then cork just looks brilliant. The work of ball winner England do not have. If they carry on like this. How much longer will they get ignored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 They haven't been ignored. Lallana has been called up this season and it's only Corks third game! For once i do agree with a '*insert saints player* for England' thread, both of them should get a call up for the squad if they can maintain their performance levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2012 They haven't been ignored. Lallana has been called up this season and it's only Corks third game! For once i do agree with a '*insert saints player* for England' thread, both of them should get a call up for the squad if they can maintain their performance levels. Agree. Just be interesting to see from now on of they carry on like this. No doubt they will be over looked. Hope not. Lallana has more skill in his left foot than shelvey will ever have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 They haven't been ignored. Lallana has been called up this season and it's only Corks third game! For once i do agree with a '*insert saints player* for England' thread, both of them should get a call up for the squad if they can maintain their performance levels. surely with that goal yesterday (ruled out i know) Rodders must be in the frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Agree. Just be interesting to see from now on of they carry on like this. No doubt they will be over looked. Hope not. Lallana has more skill in his left foot than shelvey will ever have Thought Lallana was better than Ramirez yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2012 surely with that goal yesterday (ruled out i know) Rodders must be in the frame? Long way to go for him. But Sturridge getting called up constantly is rather hilarious. Doesn't start and never looks like scoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Adam looks better in a 4-4-1-1 formation. That 4-5-1 was hurting everyone. Cork was great yesterday. Worked hard both ends of the pitch.If you noticed him & Morgan were sitting in front of the back 4 defensively & worked really well together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 lallana has transformed his game in the last few weeks. Instead of going walkabout he has leaned how to defend the wings better watching his skill going forward, it is such a mockery that (for example) jonjo shelvey is a shoe-in for england squads, yet adam is not. He is really stepping up now after looking lost in the first 7 games or so then cork just looks brilliant. The work of ball winner england do not have. If they carry on like this. How much longer will they get ignored? ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Think Lallana was trying to do Ramirez's job as well as his own when Ramirez wasn't fit. He was trying to be that link in behind Lambert in the middle and out on the wing, which meant he was out of position when the opposition was attacked. Last month he's been far more disciplined in his position, but also looks like he's loving playing alongside an in form Punch, a fit Gaston, and a consistent striker. No surprise that these boys are clicking now they've had the same side. Especially with the same CM's as well, it's all clicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Long way to go for him. But Sturridge getting called up constantly is rather hilarious. Doesn't start and never looks like scoring mate, I wasnt actually being serious.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Adam looks better in a 4-4-1-1 formation. That 4-5-1 was hurting everyone. Cork was great yesterday. Worked hard both ends of the pitch.If you noticed him & Morgan were sitting in front of the back 4 defensively & worked really well together. YEs i did notice, which is why i thought it looked more of a 4-2-3-1 than a 4-4-1-1 although as we were so fluid going forward it was difficult to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I still don't think Lallana is great at the defensive side of the game, he just isn't required to defend as much IMO. His attacking play has been sublime though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I still don't think Lallana is great at the defensive side of the game' date=' he just isn't required to defend as much IMO. His attacking play has been sublime though.[/quote'] Thought he got stuck in a lot yesterday to be fair to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Can't see that much has changed since MLT was looked over time and again for England because he played for a "small club" and "lacked ambition". If Cork, Lallana, Clyne were playing for one of the top 6, they would all be in the England squad IMO. Yes, Lallana did make the squad but that was on the back of a lot of injuries. We'll see. Interesting question - who do you see in the England squad who is better than these 3 in their positions? Not many I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Thought he got stuck in a lot yesterday to be fair to him. He did. In the past 4 or 5 games Lallana's cover of the left back has been tireless, as attested by his tackling and interception stats which are actually amongst the best in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Cork could be the younger version of Scott Parker, very similar attributes and hopefully Cork has a body that can withstand the rigours of football better than Parkers. I would think some more performances like this and he'll have a chance as it's an area of the field that England don't have very many options in, hence the likes of Livermore getting called up despite doing f*ck all for Spurs. Plenty of the deeper lying 'playmaker' type defensive mids like Huddlestone and Carrick (as well this being Gerards role now) but not many of the disciplined ball winning centre mids around. As for Lallana I think there are a lot more people in front of him, rightly or wrongly there is Walcott, Young, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Sterling, Osman, Sturridge, Zaha, Lennon, Milner, Johnson for those wide attacking mid roles. You could play him though the middle he's better than Cleverley and Shelvey, neither of whom are close to being first choices for their clubs but I doubt they would do that. He might make a squad again with injuries but doubt he'll play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Think they should definitely both be in with a shout, think Lallana being called up previously and Corky playing for GB will certainly help both. Unfortunately as they don't play for a top 6 club it's unlikely they'll become regulars. Shame they don't hold dual nationality, they'd be in the squad in an instant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 If they carry on like this. How much longer will they get ignored? Until they transfer to United/City/Chelsea/Spurs/Liverpool. Then they will magically overnight become worthy of a call-up. To be honest I'm fine with that. England are a mediocre, underachieving team bereft of wit, guile and intelligence. Why would you want to expose your players to that? Lallana and/or Cork will get far more out of establishing us as a competitive Premier League side than they will from the odd 45 minutes in a friendly against Lichtenstein. I cannot think of a single player in the past 15 years that has been in any way 'enriched' (ie their club form has improved significantly) from being selected by/playing for England. I can think of a fair few that have taken a nosedive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Until they transfer to United/City/Chelsea/Spurs/Liverpool. Then they will magically overnight become worthy of a call-up. To be honest I'm fine with that. England are a mediocre, underachieving team bereft of wit, guile and intelligence. Why would you want to expose your players to that? Lallana and/or Cork will get far more out of establishing us as a competitive Premier League side than they will from the odd 45 minutes in a friendly against Lichtenstein. I cannot think of a single player in the past 15 years that has been in any way 'enriched' (ie their club form has improved significantly) from being selected by/playing for England. I can think of a fair few that have taken a nosedive. Sadly this is pretty much the way it is. Also mixing with players on millions sometimes unsettles players at the lesser clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 If the carry on they will get noticed, Lallana has been called up before he had a blip and Cork has only played 3 games so far. Roy is pretty good IMO at not just picking from the bigger teams. There is a reason for them being picked though, mainly as A. Most would have played some european games and so may have encountered better players but mainly B. Most england regulars will come from the top 4 and so you pick players that are used to playing with them, its easier to get a team to gel as in reality you get no time to train players. I agree with above though, Cork has more chance getting in then Adam, as he has less competition. Saying that he still has possibly Barkley, Rodwell if he gets games, And a few others I dont remember. I would like to see some Saints involvement in England but sceptical if it would do us ANY favours in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Totally agree, if Cork can maintain this form then he seems a natural replacement for Parker in the England squad, and if Hodgson continues to pick good young players to give them experience then Clyne can't be too far behind. I really am excited about our current group of young players. There's no reason why we couldn't see an England squad featuring Clyne, Shaw, JWP, Cork, Lallana and Rodriguez some time in the future. (of course, they'll all be playing for Arsenal by then) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Do we think the added responsibility of having a young full back to protect has influenced AL's game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Regardless of the fact that he only plays for Saints, there is no way England can ignore Corks performances (Assumming he keeps them up) for very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Do we think the added responsibility of having a young full back to protect has influenced AL's game? I made that comment yesterday, a friend mentioned how much better Shaw is to Fox and I pointed out that Lallana has given Shaw much more protection than he ever gave Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Regardless of the fact that he only plays for Saints, there is no way England can ignore Corks performances (Assumming he keeps them up) for very long. Better players than Cork have performed consistently for much longer and have been ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Shaw Clyne Ward-Prowse Cork Lallana Lambert Rodriguez These guys all have the ability/potential to be England players. We've got the likes of Stephens, Chambers etc yet to break into the first team yet as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 England have been playing Cleverley in a forward role and Lallana is 10x the player he is and would be perfect for that position. Though like someone said, he won't get too much of a look in unless he moves to a 'big' club. If Shelvey, Cleverley and Sturridge played for us, Reading, Villa etc, they wouldn't get anywhere near the England side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Lallana has transformed his game in the last few weeks. Instead of going walkabout he has leaned how to defend the wings better Watching his skill going forward, it is such a mockery that (for example) jonjo shelvey is a shoe-in for England squads, yet Adam is not. He is really stepping up now after looking lost in the first 7 games or so Then cork just looks brilliant. The work of ball winner England do not have. If they carry on like this. How much longer will they get ignored? Don't think Lallana is doing anything much different defensively. We're just getting the shape right and the whole team are getting to grips with their responsibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Lets face it if Lallana played for one of the big six the football press would be wetting themselves...so Im glad he isnt getting the attention he deserves yet because we are not going to sell him even for £20m+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Shelvey is a very good player and has been performing well for a while at club level. Lallanas time will come I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I made that comment yesterday, a friend mentioned how much better Shaw is to Fox and I pointed out that Lallana has given Shaw much more protection than he ever gave Fox. Maybe he just gets on better with Shaw, or maybe he just rates him more than he does Fox and there is a bit of mutual respect there. Partnerhsips like that can go a long way to helping build succesful teams. It's pleasing to see how well Ramirez seems to have fitted in, he instantly seems to be on the same wavelength as the other players and on the pitch at least they seem to get on well. No 'big ego' evidence there especially considering he's working with players that have grown through the lower leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Think Schneiderlin getting a chance for France is more likely/deserved. Lallanas a great player but the problem is that he's always going to struggle at International level where full-backs are expert at dealing with tricky wingers and most of whom would have him for strength/pace. Problem with Lallana is that he doesn't quite have that really electric pace that would enable him to play in a 4-4-2. If we played Carroll on his own up front with Rooney in behind in a 4-5-1 then Lallana could have a chance in the squad, but he won't beat Ashley Young for a spot on the left wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Lallana doesnt need to be super fast as he's so good at creating space for himself and using his skills. Defenders know he's capable of embarrassing them so they're starting to step off him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Lallana has been our best player this season for me. Always involved in all our good attackin moves. Hes got great skill and flair and since being captain He seems to have that extra bit of determination to really lift the team and lead by example. the last 3 games the interplay between lallana gaston and punch has been mouthwatering:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Think Schneiderlin getting a chance for France is more likely/deserved. . Extremely unlikely. Deschamps seems to prefer players playing in France unless they're global names with a long history of previous selections. Capoue,Sissoko,Matuidi and Gonalons are probably no better than Morgan but Deschamps and his people see them more often. You only have to have followed the recent episode concerning Phillipe Mexes to know that DD doesn't like looking far afield unless the players are in the CL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Lallana has transformed his game in the last few weeks. Instead of going walkabout he has leaned how to defend the wings better Watching his skill going forward, it is such a mockery that (for example) jonjo shelvey is a shoe-in for England squads, yet Adam is not. He is really stepping up now after looking lost in the first 7 games or so Then cork just looks brilliant. The work of ball winner England do not have. If they carry on like this. How much longer will they get ignored? Shelvey has one cap.....hardly a "shoe in" for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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