Graffito Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 The linesman was in the perfect position, the camera was not. The linesman made a decent decision, especially as the two players were moving in opposite directions. Rodriguez's shoulder, knee and probably head looks goalside of the defender. I was in line with it and thought at the time that he was definitely off. Having seen it on the box I'm now satisfied that he was onside. Just goes to show how difficult it can be for linesmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 the multiple replays I have seen, with various graphics and lines...he was onside...the linesman got a very tough one wrong As far as I'm concerned he got it spot on. What program were the graphics and lines on because they weren't on either the BBC or Sky programs I saw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 It's a good sign - it means we've nothing bad to dwell on regarding the team's performance Well that brings me on to my next point... What can we do to improve our wayward finishing? Hitting the post and bar is probably a good sign because it means we're getting closer to hitting the target. At least the shots are not flying into the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 As far as I'm concerned he got it spot on. What program were the graphics and lines on because they weren't on either the BBC or Sky programs I saw? Of course you do. See graffito for an example of showing some humility and admitting you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Of course you do. See graffito for an example of showing some humility and admitting you are wrong. What, even if he's right? I certainly didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 What, even if he's right? I certainly didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition. He is the only one who believes himself to be right. Well you may think it too but I reckon your advanced years count against you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 What, even if he's right? I certainly didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition. Quite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I dunno Derry, a little "Maybe he was on, I don't think so but it is very close" would be nice. Then we could all move on with our lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Well that brings me on to my next point... What can we do to improve our wayward finishing? Hitting the post and bar is probably a good sign because it means we're getting closer to hitting the target. At least the shots are not flying into the crowd. I thought maybe we could change the shape of the woodwork? So the ball is deflected in ? Of course the ref may object to us changing the posts over to the other end at half time, but if it is the bloke we had yesterday, he probably won't notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I dunno Derry, a little "Maybe he was on, I don't think so but it is very close" would be nice. Then we could all move on with our lives. Ditto. I do wonder though what the comments would be if it was at the other end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Can we talk about Lallana's goal which should have been called offside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Now lets snatch a win against Norwich at home!!! So pleased. Well done Nigel!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Can we talk about Lallana's goal which should have been called offside? why would that be ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 He was offside when Clyne shot the ball and moved to wards the ball forcing Willaimson into heading it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 (edited) Edited 26 November, 2012 by Bearsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Clearly the camera isn't level and in real time it was obviously off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Is the correct answer. Derry would never admit it though and yet he wonders why posters find him grating... Lolz!! You get irony, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Oh, and Jay was offside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Lallana has a foot almost on the line the Newcastle defender is a good yard and a half inside the area! so well onside from the look of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 what do we think of Yoshida's defensive headering....seemed to find Newcastle players far too often, especially in the first half.....also, when in the box, should we have been looking to pull the trigger a bit sooner rather than playing it around and trying to pass it in to the net.......not looking for negatives, but they were the two things niggling yesterday, especially at half time.....loved the 'Nigel Adkins, sh*gs his own wife' chants.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Can we talk about Lallana's goal which should have been called offside? According to the modern interpretation he was not interfering with an opponent or gaining and advantage. (He looks onside to me ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Lolz!! You get irony, yeah? Hilariously original... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Hilariously original... Has someone mentioned it before? Go figure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I was in line with it and thought at the time that he was definitely off. Having seen it on the box I'm now satisfied that he was onside. Just goes to show how difficult it can be for linesmen. I was inline with it and thought at the time that he was definitely ON. Having seen it on the box I'm now satisfied that he always onside. Just goes to show what a useless ***t that linesman was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Ringwood Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 http://www.impresscoaching.co.uk/2012/11/how-adkins-is-inspiring-southampton-out-of-the-relegation-zone/ Interesting blog and some comments about Adkins technique in post match interviews.....apologies if posted before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 http://www.impresscoaching.co.uk/2012/11/how-adkins-is-inspiring-southampton-out-of-the-relegation-zone/ Interesting blog and some comments about Adkins technique in post match interviews.....apologies if posted before... I found that interesting too. The message in his post match interviews is aimed at the players and whereas we might think him repetitive he is reinforcing the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsAhoy Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Just been watching the replay. We really took the **** with our second goal. Amazing! More plix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Jays goal was clearly onside, how anyone can disagree baffles me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Clearly the camera isn't level and in real time it was obviously off. "Real time"? Camera doesn't need to be level. Player in white is further away from the line than the player in red. Clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Thought Fonte had a brilliant game on Sunday and was my MoM. This shows how dominant he was and how little Newcastle had the ball up top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 What, even if he's right? I certainly didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.Nobody expects a Spanish Inquisition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 At the game, I thought the lino had made the right decision by flagging for offside for the JRod goal but probably because at the game you watch the ball and could see that JRod was well past the defender when he collected the ball. But seeing it on MOTD2 it was an incorrect decision by the Lino. Rule 11 on offside is that a player is offside if he is closer to the goal line than the second last opponent. Being level with the second last opponent is not offside, a point that FIFA have made clear. JRod was running through but at the moment the ball was kicked he was no more than level, if that. Hard to see in real time but that is exactly what professional referees are supposed to be trained to do. Its well understood that in a fast flowing game the decsion by the referee's assistant on an offside can be quite difficult. Modern rulings stipulate that assistant referees should give the ‘benefit of the doubt’ to the attacking team, which in theory should lead to a more free flowing game. Sunday's assistant made an elementary mistake but one thing you can be sure of - there will be no apology and the League and the FA will pretend that nothing was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 As far as I'm concerned he got it spot on. What program were the graphics and lines on because they weren't on either the BBC or Sky programs I saw? Saw it last night, he was easily on-side - level if not half a yard. You know where you should have gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Thought Fonte had a brilliant game on Sunday and was my MoM. This shows how dominant he was and how little Newcastle had the ball up top. Very interesting pictorials those. Also highlights how much of our play is down to a team effort rather than an over-reliance on individuals as most of the names are a similar size font (pun intended ). Also interesting to see that Rickie was our least influence player (in the starting 11 that is)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 "Real time"? Camera doesn't need to be level. Player in white is further away from the line than the player in red. Clearly. Whoosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Very interesting pictorials those. Also highlights how much of our play is down to a team effort rather than an over-reliance on individuals as most of the names are a similar size font (pun intended ). Also interesting to see that Rickie was our least influence player (in the starting 11 that is)... Yer and also that we pulled the Newcastle midfield all over the place. All four of their midfielders are inside the centre circle on those graphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Yer and also that we pulled the Newcastle midfield all over the place. All four of their midfielders are inside the centre circle on those graphics. Does that app have an archive of all our games to-date? Would be interesting to see how we've evolved over the season thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 It does yes. I was looking at how many passes we've made in different games last night. Man City - 309 Wigan - 383 Man Utd - 402 Arsenal - 493 Villa - 375 Everton - 346 Fulham - 271 West Ham - 384 Spurs - 386 WBA - 413 Swansea - 356 QPR - 361 Newcastle - 221 Interesting that we made over double the amount of passes Vs Arsenal and lost 6-1 than Vs Newcastle and won 2-0. So we're a lot more 'no nonsense' than we started the season. Probably the best App I use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Interesting that we made over double the amount of passes Vs Arsenal and lost 6-1 than Vs Newcastle and won 2-0. So we're a lot more 'no nonsense' than we started the season. Probably the best App I use. Is it by design? MOTD2 made a point at one stage during the match of focussing on NA, who had run to the touchline shouting "play, play, play", as if we were hoofing too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Interesting that we made over double the amount of passes Vs Arsenal and lost 6-1 than Vs Newcastle and won 2-0. So we're a lot more 'no nonsense' than we started the season. Probably the best App I use. Is it by design? MOTD2 made a point at one stage during the match of focussing on NA, who had run to the touchline shouting "play, play, play", as if we were hoofing too much. We seem to have kept the short game whilst becoming more direct - ie cuttng out a lot of the over elaboration, the endless triangles that didnt go anywhere. You could see in the games against QPR and Newcastle that the aim was to get the ball in the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 We seem to have kept the short game whilst becoming more direct - ie cuttng out a lot of the over elaboration, the endless triangles that didnt go anywhere. You could see in the games against QPR and Newcastle that the aim was to get the ball in the goal. A revolutionary tactic, that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 It does yes. I was looking at how many passes we've made in different games last night. Man City - 309 Wigan - 383 Man Utd - 402 Arsenal - 493 Villa - 375 Everton - 346 Fulham - 271 West Ham - 384 Spurs - 386 WBA - 413 Swansea - 356 QPR - 361 Newcastle - 221 Interesting that we made over double the amount of passes Vs Arsenal and lost 6-1 than Vs Newcastle and won 2-0. So we're a lot more 'no nonsense' than we started the season. Probably the best App I use. I made it 339 passes in the Newcastle game, counted them on me fingers :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 We probably had about 50 less passes than normal because Gazza wasn't playing out short very much. I do wish the crowd would stop panicking like a bunch of girls in the Jim'll Fix It green room everytime we knock the ball back to the keeper though. It can't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Whoosh Go "whoosh" yourself. To indicate the difference between sincerity and smart-arse sarcasm, I recommend the use of an emoticon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 We probably had about 50 less passes than normal because Gazza wasn't playing out short very much. I do wish the crowd would stop panicking like a bunch of girls in the Jim'll Fix It green room everytime we knock the ball back to the keeper though. It can't help. I've never understood why the defender passes back to the keeper if all he is going to do is hoof it upfield. Why can't he do that himself, he's nearer the action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 (edited) I've never understood why the defender passes back to the keeper if all he is going to do is hoof it upfield. Why can't he do that himself, he's nearer the action? Well ... usually the defender is under pressure, with only a couple of seconds to kick or pass - whereas the pass back gives the goalie an extra 5 seconds, or so, to compose himself, and kick downfield. [This is my emoticon to show that this is a sincere response.] Edited 27 November, 2012 by Hamilton Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I've never understood why the defender passes back to the keeper if all he is going to do is hoof it upfield. Why can't he do that himself, he's nearer the action? I'd have thought for a few reasons: firstly because the defender is running towards his own goal and often being chased by an attacker, so turning into trouble is not the best of plans and he should play the way he's facing. Secondly, because a goalkeepers long kick is perhaps more likely to be accurate than that of the defender, given that the GK practises it more. Also, if the attacker doesn't chase down the pass back and the GK has time, the defender also has time to properly get back into his defensive position and hold the team shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 It does yes. I was looking at how many passes we've made in different games last night. Man City - 309 Wigan - 383 Man Utd - 402 Arsenal - 493 Villa - 375 Everton - 346 Fulham - 271 West Ham - 384 Spurs - 386 WBA - 413 Swansea - 356 QPR - 361 Newcastle - 221 Interesting that we made over double the amount of passes Vs Arsenal and lost 6-1 than Vs Newcastle and won 2-0. So we're a lot more 'no nonsense' than we started the season. Probably the best App I use. That chart is telling me we should've beaten Man City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 I'd have thought for a few reasons: firstly because the defender is running towards his own goal and often being chased by an attacker, so turning into trouble is not the best of plans and he should play the way he's facing. Secondly, because a goalkeepers long kick is perhaps more likely to be accurate than that of the defender, given that the GK practises it more. Also, if the attacker doesn't chase down the pass back and the GK has time, the defender also has time to properly get back into his defensive position and hold the team shape. They often do it when they're not under pressure. Is it because footballers are thick and can only remember one way of playing? (Genuine question with a hint of whimsy in it. I can't do emoticons on my ipad thingy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 November, 2012 Share Posted 27 November, 2012 Go "whoosh" yourself. To indicate the difference between sincerity and smart-arse sarcasm, I recommend the use of an emoticon. If you had read the thread then it was fairly obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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