Jack Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Strange that none of the penalty shouts were shown on MOTD2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Just watched MOTD on a stream... well... That was impressive and fun to watch! Should be a very good crowd for Wednesday and hopefully a stream too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Still buzzing. Just enjoyed MOTD2 but...which one of you was wearing the jazzy wig when Ramirez celebrated his goal? Fantastic all-round performance for second game running, we're making a habit of this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Jay was onside. Can I just say that I don't think £7m for him was at all excessive in the current climate. Will be a top player I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Jay was onside. Can I just say that I don't think £7m for him was at all excessive in the current climate. Will be a top player I reckon. I agree. I think he'll develop into an excellent striker over the next couple of years. £7m isn't over the top, Connor Wickham for £9m FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Still buzzing. Just enjoyed MOTD2 but...which one of you was wearing the jazzy wig when Ramirez celebrated his goal? Fantastic all-round performance for second game running, we're making a habit of this! I hope that person is found, someone needs to have a serious word with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Jay was onside. Can I just say that I don't think £7m for him was at all excessive in the current climate. Will be a top player I reckon. I don't think the figure for a 23 year old up and coming English striker is the factor. Its that a newly promoted club spent that much money on a player that isn't first choice, when we need to consolidate our place in this division first and foremost. He shouldn't have been one of our top priorities, which he clearly was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Regardless of whether it was offside or not (not, IMO) JRods finish was class, krul wasn't stopping that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 The best thing for me about this performance was the amount of genuine goalscoring chances we created compared to the amount of genuine goalscoring chances we gave up. Only twice Gazzaniga was forced into making 2 serious saves, while at the other end we literally could have had 6 or 7, particularly if the goals were one inch wider and one inch taller. We're giving away possession a lot less, Cork seems to have made a difference here. Shaw was once again solid and there are not enough superlatives to describe his potential. Norwich will be a tougher test, a win would be a massive result and a real statement of intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 The best thing for me about this performance was the amount of genuine goalscoring chances we created compared to the amount of genuine goalscoring chances we gave up. Only twice Gazzaniga was forced into making 2 serious saves, while at the other end we literally could have had 6 or 7, particularly if the goals were one inch wider and one inch taller. We're giving away possession a lot less, Cork seems to have made a difference here. Shaw was once again solid and there are not enough superlatives to describe his potential. Norwich will be a tougher test, a win would be a massive result and a real statement of intent. Virtually no negatives. There, I did it in just three words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Funny reading the words Norwich will be a tougher test But it is a key result, today was taking our best opportunity for a win against a team in Europe, Wednesday is the clash against a team that really should be around us in the league one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I don't think the figure for a 23 year old up and coming English striker is the factor. Its that a newly promoted club spent that much money on a player that isn't first choice, when we need to consolidate our place in this division first and foremost. He shouldn't have been one of our top priorities, which he clearly was. We were after him long before our promotion to the Premier League. It's a squad game, he will prove his worth. Apparently we were after another CB in earnest to go with the purchase of Yoshida, so it's not like we were completely prioritising buying a promising young lad over defensive stability. Our pursuit of a LB was also widely reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I agree that Norwich will be a really tough test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Regardless of whether it was offside or not (not, IMO) JRods finish was class, krul wasn't stopping that Agreed. Been a while since we have had that sort of chance, but still a great finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Brilliant performance, scoreline didn't reflect our dominance. Fonte had Ba in his pocket all afternoon. Cork absolutely immense - MoM for me. Didn't realise exactly how many excellent chances we created till I watched MOTD2. Usually there's one or two players who are a bit below par, but there wasn't a single poor individual performance, all 8 or 9 from 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Brilliant performance, scoreline didn't reflect our dominance. Fonte had Ba in his pocket all afternoon. Cork absolutely immense - MoM for me. Didn't realise exactly how many excellent chances we created till I watched MOTD2. Usually there's one or two players who are a bit below par, but there wasn't a single poor individual performance, all 8 or 9 from 10. Agreed! Thought the front 4 were immense, their interchange of passing and movement was a joy to watch but what a difference Corky has made to the team allowing Morgan to do his job of shielding the back four properly. Also, the two young full backs look like they've played at this level for years. Special mention though must go to Gazza, who after his (how can I put it?) difficult game at QPR, never put a foot wrong today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 We were after him long before our promotion to the Premier League. It's a squad game, he will prove his worth. Apparently we were after another CB in earnest to go with the purchase of Yoshida, so it's not like we were completely prioritising buying a promising young lad over defensive stability. Our pursuit of a LB was also widely reported. You've said it for me. We prioritised an early identification and purchase of a reserve striker. Yet we spent less money on 2 keepers, one centre back, one right back and one defensive midfielder combined. Rodriguez may have been targetted for a while; did we put in the same effort to bring in two centre backs? I somehow doubt it, but we needed to IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Firing on all cyclinders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Cork plugs hole Ha Ha - very good, excellent sumay :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 P!ss poor Newcastle performance makes average Saints look brilliant Brilliant Saints performance makes average Newcastle look p!ss poor. Take ur pick! Brilliant Saints performance makes p!ss poor Newcastle look extra p!ss poor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 You've said it for me. We prioritised an early identification and purchase of a reserve striker. Yet we spent less money on 2 keepers, one centre back, one right back and one defensive midfielder combined. Rodriguez may have been targetted for a while; did we put in the same effort to bring in two centre backs? I somehow doubt it, but we needed to IMO. In fairness, how many of us thought Hooiveld would fail to step up in such spectacular fashion? We thought Fonte would be the one to be replaced but as it stands he's one of our most stoic performers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 In fairness, how many of us thought Hooiveld would fail to step up in such spectacular fashion? We thought Fonte would be the one to be replaced but as it stands he's one of our most stoic performers. But there's a parallel argument to say that Fonte's game was never really the same after he was twinned with Jos. It might be an either thing but not a both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 In fairness, how many of us thought Hooiveld would fail to step up in such spectacular fashion? We thought Fonte would be the one to be replaced but as it stands he's one of our most stoic performers. A few, I'd have thought. Including the manager. Lets not try to rewrite history and suggest our defensive frailties were a shock; some took the manager at his word when he suggested one or two centre backs were a vital addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 A few, I'd have thought. Including the manager. Lets not try to rewrite history and suggest our defensive frailties were a shock; some took the manager at his word when he suggested one or two centre backs were a vital addition. Yep. I had my doubts about jos and said so at the time. Much too slow for the pre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Yep. I had my doubts about jos and said so at the time. Much too slow for the pre. You were one of the negative naysayers who said it before you'd even seen him play. I hate this reinvention. The fact of the matter, as most acknowledged at the time, is that we almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Superb result crafted by an all-round top team performance. Everyone worked their socks off today with tough determination and then switched to silky smooth passing mode when we got the ball. We should have won by 3-4 goals, especially given JRod was not offside when he scored. One massive negative was the Ref - several appauling and completely wrong decisions that I don't think I've seen the like of anytime - not even in League One! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 You were one of the negative naysayers who said it before you'd even seen him play. I hate this reinvention. The fact of the matter, as most acknowledged at the time, is that we almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without Jos. That doesn't seem to have too much to do with the prediction, from the manager and some fans, that he might not be good enough for the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 That doesn't seem to have too much to do with the prediction, from the manager and some fans, that he might not be good enough for the Premier League. He wasn't necessarily bought for the Premier League - he was bought to strengthen a Championship defence. The same "might not be good enough for the Premier League" comment could go for 90% of the squad. Do you agree that "we almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without Jos"? Hypo didn't even want him here, so we'd still be in the Championship - or worse - using hypo's 'judgment'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 He wasn't necessarily bought for the Premier League - he was bought to strengthen a Championship defence. The same "might not be good enough for the Premier League" comment could go for 90% of the squad. Do you agree that "we almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without Jos"? Hypo didn't even want him here, so we'd still be in the Championship - or worse - using hypo's 'judgment'. I haven't a clue. I don't even recall who said what and when about Jos when we signed him, other than it was a desperately late roll of the dice. You seem particularly bothered by some comments from over a year ago, which is ok I guess. I just don't know what its got to do with Jos Hooiveld clearly not being good enough for the Premier League, which was the original point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 (edited) I haven't a clue. I don't even recall who said what and when about Jos when we signed him, other than it was a desperately late roll of the dice. You seem particularly bothered by some comments from over a year ago, which is ok I guess. I just don't know what its got to do with Jos Hooiveld clearly not being good enough for the Premier League, which was the original point. There goes Canada Saint rewriting history once again. If it makes him feel good to misremenber events from over a year ago then by all means plow right ahead. It still has absolutely no bearing on anything I have written in this thread though which his surely what we should be talking about. I was quite clearly talking about having doubts about Jos being good enough for the Premier this season meaning in the summer. More likely, Canada is trying to get me to bite since I said some uncomplementary things about his mate derry earlier. They like to defend each other on here you see like some itk clique. I imagine weston Saint will be on later to remind everyone who he has on ignore. You can tell who is in their little group because they tend to use their first names when talking on the message board. It's all jolly interesting. Edited 26 November, 2012 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I haven't a clue. I don't even recall who said what and when about Jos when we signed him, other than it was a desperately late roll of the dice. You seem particularly bothered by some comments from over a year ago, which is ok I guess. I just don't know what its got to do with Jos Hooiveld clearly not being good enough for the Premier League, which was the original point. No, I'm not "particularly bothered" about anything other than the fact that hypo is disrespecting someone who was crucial to last year's success just to get in one of his typical and often-misplaced "I knew better" lines. And yes, I agree that Jos may now be struggling somewhat at this level. Not "is" but "may be." None of us knows that Jos is "clearly not ... good enough for the Premier League" because the problem might have been with the partnership rather than the individual players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 How is it disrespectful to say I had doubts about jos' ability to step up to the Premiership? Why is that disrespectful? I've watched him with my own eyes for a number of games and come to that conclusion. It's simply a difference of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
student Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Jos was great last year but he's well out his depth in the premier league hasnt he given away 3 penalties personally? Too slow and makes stupid tackles when someone gets beyond him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Wow, finished working at the golf, leapt into a taxi who hit 140kph on the way to the pub where I caught the second half. Really don't know which was more unbelievable, Rory's amazing 5 consecutive Birdies to win the golf, or the way we played football. Amazing day, amazing performance from Saints all across the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 There goes Canada Saint rewriting history once again. If it makes him feel good to misremenber events from over a year ago then by all means plow right ahead. It still has absolutely no bearing on anything I have written in this thread though which his surely what we should be talking about. I was quite clearly talking about having doubts about Jos being good enough for the Premier this season meaning in the summer. Rewriting history? Here's what you posted about Hooiveld before he'd even kicked a ball for us: But we just sold AOC for 12 million quid and we have a reserve team CB to show for it when what we desperately needed was real quality next to Fonte to form a partnership. I repeat, IMO we would not have been promoted without Jos. Whether he is PL standard is far from clear. Although the signs aren't too good, he was part of a collective train wreck and I'm at least willing to consider that he struggled because he and Fonte cannot play together at this level (and because Fox needed a lot of covering) rather than because he's not a good player. It could have been either Fonte or Hooiveld left out when we realized it wasn't working, because they were both playing poorly, and IIRC it was Jos because he copped an injury. If it helps to jog your memory and save you from reinventing history (as is your wont), you also posted this in August - less than three months ago: I respectfully disagree. I don't think those two (Fonte and Jos) are any way good enough to be regular players in the Prem. Possibly Jos maybe And that's before we get to fox and his obvious deficiencies. And this, just ten weeks ago: Pretty sure there were a load who could hack it better than Fonte. Since being paired with Maya, Fonte's play has improved big-time and he is now starting to look like the player we thought we had at the start of last season, before our bad run started - a real PL central defender who actually seems to be "hacking it" quite well now. Playing as he did today, and last week at QPR, he could soon be rated one of the Top 10 central defenders in the PL. So, wrong again, hypo. The rest of your response ... More likely, Canada is trying to get me to bite since I said some uncomplementary things about his mate derry earlier. They like to defend each other on here you see like some itk clique. I imagine weston Saint will be on later to remind everyone who he has on ignore. You can tell who is in their little group because they tend to use their first names when talking on the message board. It's all jolly interesting. ... is straight out of the school playground in which you seem to spend so much time. As I said earlier, you really need to grow up. Anyway, hypo, I don't know why I bothered with you because I was happily buzzing about a great win today, so that's what I'll go back to doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Jesus Christ Canada Saint. Get a freaking life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Wow. some people have waaaay too much time on their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 You're both right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Just looking at the goals again and we should be rather glad the first one wasn't waived off for offside. Clyne shot/cross was going wide and Lallana was ready to knock it in when Williamson headed it away but Lallana had drifted marginally offside (not entirely sure, but it looks that way) when Clyne took his shot. I guess that makes up for the decisions we didn't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 He wasn't necessarily bought for the Premier League - he was bought to strengthen a Championship defence. The same "might not be good enough for the Premier League" comment could go for 90% of the squad. Do you agree that "we almost certainly wouldn't have been promoted without Jos"? Hypo didn't even want him here, so we'd still be in the Championship - or worse - using hypo's 'judgment'. If we'd have got Gorkks, like we should have, we'd have won the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Stirling work, CanadaSaint. No doubt there will be some of the same suspects who will need reminding of their original opinions at the end of the season if we stay in the Premiership this year with Adkins still at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Stirling work, CanadaSaint. No doubt there will be some of the same suspects who will need reminding of their original opinions at the end of the season if we stay in the Premiership this year with Adkins still at the helm. I will gladly be proven wrong. But if we don't stay up. Can I say I told you so? Or is that not allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I will gladly be proven wrong. But if we don't stay up. Can I say I told you so? Or is that not allowed? This isn't allowed Jamie, you can only sneer when negative things don't happen. look how upset the intelligent posters got when it has been proven beyond doubt that we don't need a 50,000 stadium right now. We called all sorts of names for discussing real attendances, not what we might have if we slashed, sorry I mean dramatically reduced prices, and demonstrating we can't even fill the ground weve got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 I was unable to attend the game as it clashed with a thanksgiving service at Winchester Cathedral which I attended with my family. Watched the highlights on Match of the Day and was very impressed. I have read this thread and recorded the Sky 1 hour highlights and will be watching that this morning. Looks like Newcastle, like QPR offered very little but how much was that down to our desire and ability? Norwich will be a big test and will give us a better idea of how far we have come this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Looks like Newcastle, like QPR offered very little but how much was that down to our desire and ability? Norwich will be a big test and will give us a better idea of how far we have come this season. Spot on, R. Very encouraging signs coming out of SMS now, both motivation and confidence on the rise, but it was only QPR and a well-under-par Newcastle team. Lets see how we do against some mid-table teams before hanging up the bunting. then we'll have a better idea about how this season is going to play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 What an EXCEPTIONAL Performance yesterday. Newcastle just could not cope with our forward line. I think we have now found that extra bit of pace to get to the ball first that is needed in the Premiership. The skills our forwards found, just took my breath away at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Was shocked to see us the first game on MOTD2 last night, I wonder whether it was originally decided that Chelsea v Man City was going to be first game but they bumped it after it was a dreadful bore draw. Great all round team performance and I have to say special mention for Gazza, very shaky against QPR but responded with a much better performance and an excellent save to deny Santon. Only that 1 moment where he delayed kicking it and Ba closed him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 This isn't allowed Jamie, you can only sneer when negative things don't happen. look how upset the intelligent posters got when it has been proven beyond doubt that we don't need a 50,000 stadium right now. We called all sorts of names for discussing real attendances, not what we might have if we slashed, sorry I mean dramatically reduced prices, and demonstrating we can't even fill the ground weve got. Is it ok for you to sneer when optimistic things don't happen? I think there were at most 3 or 4 posters you were squabbling with about stadium expansion, not really a number worth taking issue with, but you're right, that probably is about the sum of intelligent posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 When is MOTD2 on iplayer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 It's thoroughly bizarre. There are tons of decisions at football that I question and then subsequent tv replays show me why a ref did or did not make a decision. I kind of trust that the linesman or ref is going to be better at spotting things than me sat in the stands as firstly they are closer to the action and secondly it is what they do for a living. If a ref is wrong following replays then generally the reaction is well they will learn from it in the future its unfortunate they got it wrong. According to derry as long as he is satisfied when he sees it in real time, then that is the barometer for whether a ref or linesman should be criticised or not. Strange. I've seen the replays and there is no way on this earth that those pictures are absolutely conclusive that Rodriguez is onside. The linesman had a better view than anyone, he was absolutely level with Rodriguez, who was nearer to him than the defender, so he could conclusively judge his position and he gave him offside. I would have liked a goal but I think the linesman was correct, because of the movement the camera shows it a lot tighter than it looked in real time however the camera wasn't level and the linesman was. I'm not going to moan about any decision I think the officials got right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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