Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 (edited) That's also forgetting what Saints offer to local companies. As I understand it, the championship is still one of the best supported leagues in Europe, so from an advertising view Saints are an attractive prospect and people will still want to advertise via Saints. Whether they like the Chairman or not is not a consideration, it's the market and amount of people that can be reached that matters. If people only did business with people they liked, or even respected, then not much business would ever get done ever. In the business world, business comes before personal relationships. People buy from people. If a buying customer think you're a c*nt then they often won't deal with you. My company gave a big marketing deal to someone else because our MD thought the owner of the marketing agency was a c*nt, just one example. Edited 25 November, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 No as long as the club are doing well. At the end of the day, I think he is doing a great job, and he is a great business man. The longer he sticks with Adkins, the more I like the bloke. Please provide some examples of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 People buy from people. If a buying customer think you're a c*nt then they often won't deal with you. My company gave a big marketing deal to someone else because our MD thought the owner of the marketing agency was a c*nt, just one example. That's an extremely naive view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Really? There are only about 15 corporate boxes regularly in use and about 1,000 empty corporate tickets most weeks this is roughly the same as when we were in league one. How many clubs do you know where corporate sales have stayed the same even though the club are two divisions higher!! Is it because it's an overpriced crap product, but this can't be true as we are told Cortese is a great businessman, so maybe he's decided to limit corporate boxes to only selling 15, to make them even more exclusive!! I get the impression the club are gearing up for when the team fulfils Cortese's ambitions and it doesn't matter if there are empty seats in the mean time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 That's an extremely naive view. No it isn't. It's a fact. Unless of course you are calling the multi millionaire MD of a billion pound company, which grew by 26% during the worst recession in living memory naive and hasn't got a clue what his doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I get the impression the club are gearing up for when the team fulfils Cortese's ambitions and it doesn't matter if there are empty seats in the mean time. So we can only likely get close to selling out the corporate areas if the club are performing at the top of the league? If not, then they're vastly undersold? Sounds like a strange business model to me. Even dear old MLG was at pains to stress that we had multiple sell outs at the stadium in the year we got relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 He who shouts loudest must be correct regardless of the overwhelmingly opposing general feeling. Is that the lesson here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 No it isn't. It's a fact. Unless of course you are calling the multi millionaire MD of a billion pound company, which grew by 26% during the worst recession in living memory naive and hasn't got a clue what his doing. Do you think junkies like their dealers? Do they still buy their products? Supply and demand. Two of the most basic principles in business. Business still occurs whether people like who they are dealing with or not. I'm sure at times you have dealt with people you dislike, I'd bet it's fairly safe to say that not everyone you have dealt with likes/d you. So yes, if you say business wont occur unless everyone likes you, then I am calling you naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 So we can only likely get close to selling out the corporate areas if the club are performing at the top of the league? If not, then they're vastly undersold? Sounds like a strange business model to me. Even dear old MLG was at pains to stress that we had multiple sell outs at the stadium in the year we got relegated. Ever heard of TV money- love how corporate boxes have become the focal point of our business model with some. Christ I wouldn't be surprised if the record kit sales offset the empty boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Ever heard of TV money- love how corporate boxes have become the focal point of our business model with some. Christ I wouldn't be surprised if the record kit sales offset the empty boxes. But the kit is awful and shows the chairman has no respect for the clubs history FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 So we can only likely get close to selling out the corporate areas if the club are performing at the top of the league? If not, then they're vastly undersold? Sounds like a strange business model to me. Even dear old MLG was at pains to stress that we had multiple sell outs at the stadium in the year we got relegated. I think Cortese has shown he's not the type to cut prices to get bums on seats. He would rather sell at a premium and keep some empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Sounds like a strange business model to me. Even dear old MLG was at pains to stress that we had multiple sell outs at the stadium in the year we got relegated. They only used to sell out then cos our chairman was so popular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I think Cortese has shown he's not the type to cut prices to get bums on seats. He would rather sell at a premium and keep some empty. Unfortunately its not just the price that is the issue; its the quality of product on offer. Its all very well maintaining a premium price, if the quality isn't reflected in that then its going to be awfully difficult to fill the seats even with a team that is performing higher up in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Do you think junkies like their dealers? Do they still buy their products? Supply and demand. Two of the most basic principles in business. Business still occurs whether people like who they are dealing with or not. I'm sure at times you have dealt with people you dislike, I'd bet it's fairly safe to say that not everyone you have dealt with likes/d you. So yes, if you say business wont occur unless everyone likes you, then I am calling you naive. brilliant! Selling executive boxes is like dealing Class As!! A Classic mongboardism. So the fact that there are loads of empty boxes means there is plenty of supply, not much demand. Maybe Cortese should take a trip down Empress Road to see how the dealers create demand!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 He who shouts loudest must be correct regardless of the overwhelmingly opposing general feeling. Is that the lesson here? That's only part. You also have to repeat it as many times as possible, even if it doesn't add any value or extra insight to the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 That's only part. You also have to repeat it as many times as possible, even if it doesn't add any value or extra insight to the debate. Or you could offering nothing to the discussion at all and just post about or in reply to one poster over and over again, so most people think you're weirdly obsessed by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Or you could offering nothing to the discussion at all and just post about or in reply to one poster over and over again, so most people think you're weirdly obsessed by them. Sorry to dent your vanity but the post was not related to you Richard. You are clearly obsessed, weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 It's his job to facilitate the entertainment. Have his 3 years in charge been entertaining? A Wembley cup final win and 2 promotions. Opinions may differ, but to me that is pretty entertaining. Plus, lets face it, he has been entertaining. All his scrapes are quite entertaining. Even if in most cases they are multiplied 100 times on here to be made into much bigger deals than they actually are. And giving certain people here something to moan about. I'd bet Cortese has probably been subject of more threads/posts/discussions on here than anyone else since the take over. So in terms of entertainment, for me he scores pretty highly. Good post. Only those obsessed with boardroom, false rumours and conspiracy theories are likely to disagree. Most are very happy with how it is going - and fans elsewhere will think he has done pretty amazingly so far.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Nobody really cares what the Chairman is like as long as the club is sucessful and we are not going massively into debt. A winning clubs is what most fans are really interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I don't think the Chairman has to be liked but I think it important the fans, players and city at large have respect and trust. There was an intersting article in yesterday's Guardian about Chelsea's owner who while delivering titles and wealth etc has created a toxic club that no one likes. Some Chelsea fans are feeling now that perhaps the old days were best when many neutrals felt affection for Chelsea. The funny thing is Abramavic (sp) wants everyone to look up to his team in awe and respect but the way he has gone about it has created the exact opposite. NA's remarks on AP were most telling for me - most unlike NA not to be gracious. Sorry Duncs, disagree. I think it was more NA stamping his mark on things - he must get sick and tired of those that say he had it easy inheriting that side - it was NA showing he had balls IMHO, rather than some sort of 'party line' - the reason it looked out of character is simply because it was - he is normally so 'positive and chipper' that when he does say something liek thsi we find it odd. I think he is frustrated that some maybe dont give him teh credit he deserves, and if anything it could also have been a message upwards. Does a chirman need to be liked? No. He needs to get the job done. Everyone will make mistakes and naturally some jump on those he makes - for whatever reason. End of they day they cant win anyway. We do well, and its the players and manager, we dont and its interference or not acting quick enough - acts too quick and he's a 'hire em fire em'. Respect and trust? will all depend on what characteristics you feel are most important to earn these - in our case, he will not have it from those that feel the club should be more aligned with fans and community, yet we often the forget the excellent work done by the Saints foundation... often we want 100% perfection and when someone is only 50 - 60% right, we focus on the 40% feck ups - human nature I guess. The pressure, the media spotlight and the unforgiving nature of press, fuelling speculation (something not helped by the remianing quiet on 'controvercial' issues) - create a false impression, driven by those who have an interest in doing so. The reality is that 99% of those with either a positive or negative impression or perception, do so without any real understanding of the person, or what has contributed to the decisons made on which we base it - the other 1% think they do. Ultimately, the vast majority want success on the pitch - respect for the club and the way it opperates is 'nice' but given the choice, would we prefer a cuddly loverable type who fawned over fans, but failed to progress beyond the CCC, or one that had ambitions and drive, that meant some areas were overlooked. We may wish and believe that both are possible at the same time, but I suggest that examples of these 'amazing people/chairman' are few and far between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Sorry Francis, I don't recall anyone ever saying he had it easy because he inherited a good side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Please provide some examples of this. He's backed the most important manager in his business. He's presided over a two years of increased sales. For the most part, he's quite content to let others do the talking for him. He is focussed and doesn't take **** from anyone that might divert him from his goals. I would say that's a pretty decent list to be going on with. Unless you've got an agenda of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 A strong indicatior is how our local businesses respond to him. How are our corporate sales this season? Why? This is not an indicator of a popularity contest involving the guy who is responsible for the overall running of the club - what possible business reason could lead you to come to that conclusion? It's a ludicrous swipe - totally unsubstantiable by reality! If corporate seat sales are poor then look to the marketing managers, look to the caterers but, probably more pertinently, look to the economy? Granted all these are appointed by the HR manager appointed by the chairman but how far down is he going to be held directly responsible for individual appointments..there's graffiti on the bog walls - Cortese out?! To answer the original poster's question, no, I don't think it is but I've never met any of them face to face but I did have an objection to Lowe coming back on the basis that he'd flucked up before. My only requirement from a chairman is that they do the job well and, ideally, not parrot themselves as a media figure as some throughout the leagues have done. Just make sure the tools and the finance are there and he'll be doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Sorry Francis, I don't recall anyone ever saying he had it easy because he inherited a good side. Sorry ****, Can I call your ****, Dicky or do you prefer Richard? Would hate to offend. You need to read posts in context, rather than isolating quotes... unless you are simply trying to get a reaction, naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 brilliant! Selling executive boxes is like dealing Class As!! A Classic mongboardism. So the fact that there are loads of empty boxes means there is plenty of supply, not much demand. Maybe Cortese should take a trip down Empress Road to see how the dealers create demand!! Missing the point entirely, but that's not unlike you is it. I at no point compared the two. You stated how important it is to be liked for business to take place, I gave one example (of thousands possible) where this is not the case. Coming from the king of the mong board, I'll take that as a compliment. Besides, I find it highly unlikely that Cortese actually fields calls in relation to corporate boxes, I'm confused as to when they came the be all and end all to a club anyway, and their potential sales. I'd imagine in a multi-million pound company with a multi-millionaire CEO, there would be someone to deal with these issues. If only we had a multi-millionaire business man around here that might know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Why? This is not an indicator of a popularity contest involving the guy who is responsible for the overall running of the club - what possible business reason could lead you to come to that conclusion? It's a ludicrous swipe - totally unsubstantiable by reality! If corporate seat sales are poor then look to the marketing managers, look to the caterers but, probably more pertinently, look to the economy? Granted all these are appointed by the HR manager appointed by the chairman but how far down is he going to be held directly responsible for individual appointments..there's graffiti on the bog walls - Cortese out?! To answer the original poster's question, no, I don't think it is but I've never met any of them face to face but I did have an objection to Lowe coming back on the basis that he'd flucked up before. My only requirement from a chairman is that they do the job well and, ideally, not parrot themselves as a media figure as some throughout the leagues have done. Just make sure the tools and the finance are there and he'll be doing his job. It may be that all the local businesses do inded hate Nasty Nic and are 'boycotting' as a result - or it could be that 20k-30k a years for corporate entertainment is one of the first things that small local businesses have to forego in such economic climes - the choice is yours. Some will tell you though that its all Nasty Nic's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Whether you meant it or not Kelvin I reckon the analogy stands up pretty well. I can totally see Cortese hanging around outside local businesses trying to shift Gateway tickets in the Northam. Before they know it they end up embezzling funds from the pension scheme to get a fix of Corporate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 They only used to sell out then cos our chairman was so popular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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