St Marco Posted 24 November, 2012 Share Posted 24 November, 2012 For some on here it seems a really important thing and for some it doesn't. This isn't about Cortese as such but more about chairman in general. Me and a mate were trying to think of any chairman we liked in our lifetimes and can't really think of any. So I think from our point of views whoever is the chairman/owner can be a knob but as long as we watch good football and our money is not wasted on awful players then we couldn't care less. Be interesting to see in a number % what Saints fans think. So maybe a simple yes/no poll would be good mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 November, 2012 Share Posted 24 November, 2012 It's not a be all and end all by any means. But I'd much prefer to like our chairman, or at least respect him, as opposed to the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 24 November, 2012 Share Posted 24 November, 2012 Was Delia Smith ever Chairman? She seems nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Why nuke the whales? Got to nuke something! It's not important, though after briefly meeting him I thought he was quite nice. Most people like to have someone to hate, chairman at a football club is an easy figure as they can never be doing the job right. Never get credit for employing the right people or sorting out the right transfers but get blamed when the slightest thing does go wrong because they employed the manager... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Very interesting question. Many people seem to define their feelings for the club by their feelings for the chairman. Of course, the chairman has a major impact on how we perform, but ultimately for those 90 minutes when I'm inside SMS I don't give a second's thought for Cortese, or Lowe, or Askham. So I guess, no, it isn't important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 The chairman of a football club in a city the size of southampton is an important figure. The sale of corporate seats and boxes are a strong indication as to how popular, good and respected he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I don't think liking the chairman is important. Disagreeing with a host of decisions purportedly made by the chairman is a different matter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Perhaps more important than the chairman being liked by the fans is the answer to either of these questions: 1) Is the chairman a proven and successful businessman? i.e. does he have a full grasp of everything that he has taken control of? 2) Are businesses around the area inclined to align themselves alongside the chairman and by association the club. Answers on a postcard to "Not so much, c/o St. Mary's Stadium". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Perhaps more important than the chairman being liked by the fans is the answer to either of these questions: 1) Is the chairman a proven and successful businessman? i.e. does he have a full grasp of everything that he has taken control of? 2) Are businesses around the area inclined to align themselves alongside the chairman and by association the club. Answers on a postcard to "Not so much, c/o St. Mary's Stadium". A strong indicatior is how our local businesses respond to him. How are our corporate sales this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 No. Many people I like are utter pushovers. I don't believe that being likeable is a pre-requisit of the job description of chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 No. Many people I like are utter pushovers. I don't believe that being likeable is a pre-requisit of the job description of chairman. Not even in an industry where entertainment is the order of the day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I think the manner of the take over comes into this, after all that had gone before we were bound to feel really positive (and still do) regarding the new regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Not even in an industry where entertainment is the order of the day? Do you like Simon Cowell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Do you like Simon Cowell? Because that us exactly the same! I know you Coventry folk are a bit backward Colin, but come on, that's embarassing even for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Because that us exactly the same! I know you Coventry folk are a bit backward Colin, but come on, that's embarassing even for you! An interesting response. No, of course not exactly the same but he is proof that arseholes can get ahead. If it is in the better interests of the club who cares if Cortese is less then like-able? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 An interesting response. No, of course not exactly the same but he is proof that arseholes can get ahead. If it is in the better interests of the club who cares if Cortese is less then like-able? Lets asks the local businesses why hardly any of them want to buy corporate seats at St Marys, supply was outstripping demand in 2004/05 season despite us being rubbish. Less than 50% take up now, why is that Colin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Lets asks the local businesses why hardly any of them want to buy corporate seats at St Marys, supply was outstripping demand in 2004/05 season despite us being rubbish. Less than 50% take up now, why is that Colin? No idea frankly. I just support a club that has achieved back to back promotions. The business side is meaningless to me as long as the club is progressing in the long term. One season of trial compared to the prior three is frankly par. You really hate it when people don't agree with you, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints triumph Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 More important to respect the person and not the title, all in my personal opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Not important at all. Whoever is in charge will have every detail about their life under scrutiny by the media. We read it and then criticise when I bet we ourselves do similar things. Like paying a bill. Im sure most of us have refused to pay a bill at somepoint. We fall out with collegues. We say bad things about people. For some reason in this internet age we expect everyone to be whiter then white when really few are. All I care about is the club and that we win on the weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Lets asks the local businesses why hardly any of them want to buy corporate seats at St Marys, supply was outstripping demand in 2004/05 season despite us being[/b] rubbish. Less than 50% take up now, why is that Colin? Do you mean that in bold or do you mean demand outstripped the available boxes ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I think all of you would agree but my opinion is I don't really give a rats arse who owns the club,runs the club or who the manager is as long as we win a few games and I'm entertained I don't really give a toss. In the 70's and 80's If you'd asked me who the directors were I wouldn't of had a clue but moving on to the 90's and things started to change,askham started to make an appearance then followed by Lowe,Wilde etc. Cortese is different though, although he sometimes makes the headlines and we all know who he is,he does get on with the job and keeps fairly quiet,some find this upsetting but tbh I don't want to know what's going on behind the scenes. Bring back the good old 70's/80's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I've never meet the Chairman, but by most accounts from those who have he appears to have a 'robust' ego and to be not that likable a personality type. The real problem with Cortese however is not that he makes himself unpopular, but rather the fact that the set up at this club means he wields too much power for his own good. Petty minded attacks on Nick Illingsworth and the Daily Echo, ill-conceived attempts to control press access to St Mary's, even the calamitous mistakes of the last transfer window - it seems to me our Chairman seldom hears the word 'no' at this club. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes of course, but when Cortese makes them who is there around to stand up to him and tell him so? The Board is little more than a couple of glorified accountants there to rubber stamp his decisions. Our absentee owners don't appear to be all that interested (as far as I can tell) and as for the manager .... well he's just hired help employed to do what he's told and coach the Don's team isn't he? At the very hight of its power whenever a victorious Roman general returned home the tradition was that as he paraded through the imperial capitol 'in triumph' someone was always employed to stand behind him and whisper in his ear "remember you're only a man" Cortese could really do with one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I don't think the Chairman has to be liked but I think it important the fans, players and city at large have respect and trust. There was an intersting article in yesterday's Guardian about Chelsea's owner who while delivering titles and wealth etc has created a toxic club that no one likes. Some Chelsea fans are feeling now that perhaps the old days were best when many neutrals felt affection for Chelsea. The funny thing is Abramavic (sp) wants everyone to look up to his team in awe and respect but the way he has gone about it has created the exact opposite. NA's remarks on AP were most telling for me - most unlike NA not to be gracious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Its pretty simple for me... No, not important at all. How many posts did we used to have on here in the days of Lowe, Wilde, Crouch saying we want to forget about the board, not have then being interviewed and be able to concentrate on football? It seems some are so used to and intrigued by the politics and conspiracy theories that they follow the boardroom more than the players. My preference? Chairman who stays in the background, backs and supports the manager. That seems to be what we have had for the last couple of years and we have gone from signing Ryan Smith to Ramirez! Looking forward to this afternoon...and its not to see what the chairman is up to, or whether he is a sweetie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 (edited) I couldn't give a monkeys if the chairman is likeable or not. I do care about the decisions they make though because it effects our club. I don't subscribe to the opinion that nothing else matters as long as we are bankrolled to success on the pitch. Edited 25 November, 2012 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I don't think the Chairman has to be liked but I think it important the fans, players and city at large have respect and trust. There was an intersting article in yesterday's Guardian about Chelsea's owner who while delivering titles and wealth etc has created a toxic club that no one likes. Some Chelsea fans are feeling now that perhaps the old days were best when many neutrals felt affection for Chelsea. The funny thing is Abramavic (sp) wants everyone to look up to his team in awe and respect but the way he has gone about it has created the exact opposite. NA's remarks on AP were most telling for me - most unlike NA not to be gracious. Bizarre agenda peddling lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Whether I like the chairman is fairly irrelevant it's much more important that the chairman likes me. On balance this one has done more good for me than not, always room for improvement but I'd give him 8/10 so far. No, make that 9/10 for not knee-jerking NA out the door after our difficult start - we've turned the corner and we are now looking to put some serious points on the board, starting from this afternoon. Hopefully NA, the players and the fans will repay the chairman's judgement with another three points today. COYRs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Lets asks the local businesses why hardly any of them want to buy corporate seats at St Marys, supply was outstripping demand in 2004/05 season despite us being rubbish. Less than 50% take up now, why is that Colin? Erm, we are in a massive recession/economic slump? Football has lost a little of its shine? Could be loads of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Could not give a toss - I'm unlikely to meet him and even if I do, he's unlikely to become a significant part of my life. What does matter is how the Chairman is running the club and treating the supporters. Currently, the only issue I've got with the club is the poor level of information on the OS have regarding what's happening at the club in general. For example, why not have a bi-weekly or monthly update on Staplewood progress? Apart from that, we could be in far worse hands TBF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 You'll never know the real Chairman. A particular Premiership Chairman seems to be a really lovely guy who has the club's interests at heart, but I have word (from a very reliable source) that he is a meglomaniac who treats it like a toy train set and has on many occasions put off genuine investment in the club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 (edited) Erm, we are in a massive recession/economic slump? Football has lost a little of its shine? Could be loads of things. Really? There are only about 15 corporate boxes regularly in use and about 1,000 empty corporate tickets most weeks this is roughly the same as when we were in league one. How many clubs do you know where corporate sales have stayed the same even though the club are two divisions higher!! Is it because it's an overpriced crap product, but this can't be true as we are told Cortese is a great businessman, so maybe he's decided to limit corporate boxes to only selling 15, to make them even more exclusive!! Edited 25 November, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Erm, we are in a massive recession/economic slump? Football has lost a little of its shine? Could be loads of things. Technically we're no longer in recession.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 No idea frankly. I just support a club that has achieved back to back promotions. The business side is meaningless to me as long as the club is progressing in the long term. One season of trial compared to the prior three is frankly par. You really hate it when people don't agree with you, why? Utter nonsense Colin and so incredibly naive, the club won't progress without the business side of things doing well. How are we going to be the self sustaining business that doesn't do debt we were told we were going to be if the business side of th club is a shambles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 (edited) Utter nonsense Colin and so incredibly naive, the club won't progress without the business side of things doing well. How are we going to be the self sustaining business that doesn't do debt we were told we were going to be if the business side of th club is a shambles? The last three seasons were immaterial then? Gotcha. Good luck with your desire for a radio station and world class catering. Edited 25 November, 2012 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 The last three seasons were immaterial then? Gotcha. Good luck with your desire for a radio station and world class catering. What are you on about? You said the business side was immarterial. Tell me how we are to be a self sustainable business without debt that the Cortese has stated we would be in the business side is not important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 What are you on about? You said the business side was immarterial. Tell me how we are to be a self sustainable business without debt that the Cortese has stated we would be in the business side is not important? Well. The golden age of 04/05 you mentioned coincided with...... oh, what was it now. A golden age? No. That's not it. Oh, relegation and the beginning of a near fatal decline. That's it. I did not say that the business is immaterial, it's a side show and beneficiary of what happens on the pitch. It must never be the be all and end all. After all we support a football club, not the freemasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Well. The golden age of 04/05 you mentioned coincided with...... oh, what was it now. A golden age? No. That's not it. Oh, relegation and the beginning of a near fatal decline. That's it. I did not say that the business is immaterial, it's a side show and beneficiary of what happens on the pitch. It must never be the be all and end all. After all we support a football club, not the freemasons I think youre confusing youself Colin, It was you that mentioned radio stations and world class catering, keep up. Unfortunately what you seem to be unable to grasp is that these days football clubs are a business and that business is entertainment. If it was just about what happened on the pitch Leeds would still be playing in the champions league, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Bizarre agenda peddling lad. No, not really, your warped mind just chooses to see it as such - you just need to get out a bit more. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 (edited) Not even in an industry where entertainment is the order of the day? It's his job to facilitate the entertainment. Have his 3 years in charge been entertaining? A Wembley cup final win and 2 promotions. Opinions may differ, but to me that is pretty entertaining. Plus, lets face it, he has been entertaining. All his scrapes are quite entertaining. Even if in most cases they are multiplied 100 times on here to be made into much bigger deals than they actually are. And giving certain people here something to moan about. I'd bet Cortese has probably been subject of more threads/posts/discussions on here than anyone else since the take over. So in terms of entertainment, for me he scores pretty highly. Edited 25 November, 2012 by KelvinsRightGlove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 It's his job to facilitate the entertainment. Have his 3 years in charge been entertaining? A Wembley cup final win and 2 promotions. Opinions may differ, but to me that is pretty entertaining. Unsurprisingly missing the point as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I have a little respect for the man but I don't like him one little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I think youre confusing youself Colin, It was you that mentioned radio stations and world class catering, keep up. Unfortunately what you seem to be unable to grasp is that these days football clubs are a business and that business is entertainment. If it was just about what happened on the pitch Leeds would still be playing in the champions league, no? Yes its entertainment but its a certain kind of entertainment, TV entertainment. Bulk of the money comes from TV revenues and only sustainable success on the pitch determines whether we get a slice of that action, not whether we fill up a few corporate boxes which are diddly in the grand scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Unsurprisingly missing the point as usual. Unsurprisingly, no point as usual. You mentioned entertainment, I show you how he has delivered entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 I think it is important because the policies the Chairman employs reflect on the club as a whole. I've never met Cortese so the information I have about him is either third hand or from former employees who left because he is not pleasant to work for. Of course, this could also be because they weren't pulling their weight, or doing the job properly, but equally, when so many people leave the club in quick succession, then something must be wrong. How many marketing managers have we lost in quick succession? On the other hand, you cannot deny the progress we've made as a club since he came in, but certain policies such as the photographic issue a year or two back, and the poor treatment of former players (not referring to MLT), the paying for parking, the ST credit issue, the programme sellers and many others show an authoritarian attitude that reflects badly on him and the club. I want to like the club from the top down, of course it's primarily about success on the pitch, but as a fan who lives a fair distance away, I do feel I've been pushed away and the club doesn't seem very bothered about the fact, and if I don't go, they know someone will go in my place. I feel for people like Paul Nicholson more than me, but if I had been treated the way he had, I certainly would keep my cash in my pocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 This reflecting badly on the club thing. Most other non-saints footy fans I speak to have no idea who Cortese is, or much of what goes on at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Unsurprisingly, no point as usual. You mentioned entertainment, I show you how he has delivered entertainment. Colin said the business side of it is immaterial, which is nonsense, Football clubs are a busienss in the entertainment industry. People bang on about TV and that's fine when you're in the Premier league, but what happens if we get relegated, which is entirely possible? Where does our money come from then? Its then you rely on local companies to help you out by advertising, sponsorship and corporate sales. Screw them over when you think you don't need them them don't expect them to e there when you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 Colin said the business side of it is immaterial, . No I didn't parody man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 That's also forgetting what Saints offer to local companies. As I understand it, the championship is still one of the best supported leagues in Europe, so from an advertising view Saints are an attractive prospect and people will still want to advertise via Saints. Whether they like the Chairman or not is not a consideration, it's the market and amount of people that can be reached that matters. If people only did business with people they liked, or even respected, then not much business would ever get done ever. In the business world, business comes before personal relationships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 25 November, 2012 Share Posted 25 November, 2012 No as long as the club are doing well. At the end of the day, I think he is doing a great job, and he is a great business man. The longer he sticks with Adkins, the more I like the bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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