Pardew thinks Saints exit was 'harsh'

[buctootim]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20465328

[Saint Charlie]

Fair comments, worked out well for all parties.

[buctootim]

Fair comments, worked out well for all parties.

 

Agree. Probably was a bit harsh and everyone got a a slice of good fortune the way it worked out.

Edited 23 November, 2012 by buctootim

[saintquin]

"You can't take a team that won the Championship and think they'll survive in the Premier League," Pardew added.

Don't look good for Reading !

[Guan 2.0]

"You can't take a team that won the Championship and think they'll survive in the Premier League," Pardew added.

Don't look good for Reading !

 

Ha, heard that so many times from varied pundits, for some reason a fair few believe we won the thing! Probably because reading are a bit mickey mouse, but still....

[bpsaint]

1720 FOOTBALL

Southampton manager Nigel Adkins does not feels he owes predecessor Alan Pardew a debt of gratitude for the work done before his arrival at the south coast club.

Adkins said: "Whatever situation arose, he moved on. I am the manager of Southampton Football Club. We've just had back-to-back promotions, we're doing ever so well in our forward progression."

 

The conspiracy theorist in me curious as to whether those are the true feelings of NA or what he may have been told to say. Every man and his dog can see Adkins inherited a very very good League 1 team when he took over, deserves some thanks to AP at least.

[Wes Tender]

Adkins is positive about his relationship with chairman Cortese, who has previously denied any rift between himself and Pardew.

 

Lots of water under the bridge since his departure, so this is just raking over old coals, to mix my metaphors. *Yawn*

[Hamilton Saint]

"Southampton manager Nigel Adkins does not feels he owes predecessor Alan Pardew a debt of gratitude for the work done before his arrival at the south coast club."

 

Who knows what has motivated NA to say this at this time (probably the timing - right before AP and Newcastle come to town), but it is undeniable that Pardew brought a great group of players to Saints. Adkins built on what Pardew had already set up.

[derry]

I think people have short memories, a train crash of a pre season, poor results followed by defeats after he left, bottom of the league and Adkins had to turn it around.

[Mowgli]

"Southampton manager Nigel Adkins does not feels he owes predecessor Alan Pardew a debt of gratitude for the work done before his arrival at the south coast club."

 

Who knows what has motivated NA to say this at this time (probably the timing - right before AP and Newcastle come to town), but it is undeniable that Pardew brought a great group of players to Saints. Adkins built on what Pardew had already set up.

 

Eerrmm... .. I think it was in response to the question 'do you think you owe Pardew a debt of gratitude' for laying the foundations to promotion. This where we see NA at his best. Will take criticism on the chin when it is warranted, but he will be very clear that back to back promotions occurred under HIS watch and no one is going to take that away from him.

 

Does not alter the fact that Pardew did a decent job whilst he was here.

[Nexstar]

Nah. 4-0 away at Bristol Rovers was a poor result.

[aintforever]

I think people have short memories, a train crash of a pre season, poor results followed by defeats after he left, bottom of the league and Adkins had to turn it around.

 

We lost one league game.

[Turkish]

Interesting to see him admit he didn't get on with the chairman. Surely this can't be true? What did I say about this about 18 months ago?!!

[derry]

We lost one league game.

 

one point from the first two home matches wasn't poor?

[Saint Garrett]

Didn't we lose at home to Plymouth on the first day? Pretty bad result as favourites...

[Raging Bull]

Didn't we lose at home to Plymouth on the first day? Pretty bad result as favourites...

 

Yep and they were gash!

[Supersubpuckett]

christ, an absolute nothing story trying to create added interest to a fairly alsoran premier fixture

 

pardew and adkins are both good young-ish english managers and i'm sure they share a similar perspective on how to run a football team - therefore i'd be surprised if they didn't get on, especially as there aren't many of their type around.

[Fan The Flames]

What did I say about this about 18 months ago?!!

 

I don't know but I'm sure you are going to tell us, over and over again.

 

By the way why don't you use your sixth form debating club skills on the posters above that claim NA was told what to say but NC, oh is it because that fits your agenda of what a nasty man NC is.

[Turkish]

I don't know but I'm sure you are going to tell us, over and over again.

 

By the way why don't you use your sixth form debating club skills on the posters above that claim NA was told what to say but NC, oh is it because that fits your agenda of what a nasty man NC is.

 

Can you tell me one person, other than the existing manager who is towing the line and member of the CoC, who have said what a great guy Cortese and how well they get on.

[Turkish]

christ, an absolute nothing story trying to create added interest to a fairly alsoran premier fixture

 

pardew and adkins are both good young-ish english managers and i'm sure they share a similar perspective on how to run a football team - therefore i'd be surprised if they didn't get on, especially as there aren't many of their type around.

 

How is it a nothing story? It's a manager coming back to a club where he had been sacked from in strange circumstances and his giving his view on it, it's a perfectly normal story to run.

[The Kraken]

Can you tell me one person, other than the existing manager who is towing the line and member of the CoC, who have said what a great guy Cortese and how well they get on.

 

Jordan Sibley. I think he's got a little man crush, bless him.

[Turkish]

Jordan Sibley. I think he's got a little man crush, bless him.

 

Probably putting hot water bottles in his bed as we speak.

[aintforever]

one point from the first two home matches wasn't poor?

 

Poor results but given that we were only a few games in and just smashed Bristol City 4-0 away I think Pardew is right to think his sacking was harsh.

 

His sacking was just down to a clash of egos IMO.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I think Chris hughtons sacking at Newcastle was "harsh", but I don't think pardew owes him anything even though he inherited a good side

[The Kraken]

I think Chris hughtons sacking at Newcastle was "harsh", but I don't think pardew owes him anything even though he inherited a good side

 

Well he owes him for the fact that he inherited a good side from him, doesn't he?

 

[cellone]

Well he owes him for the fact that he inherited a good side from him, doesn't he?

 

 

Damn right, the ingrate should thank him after every game.

[Saint_clark]

Poor results but given that we were only a few games in and just smashed Bristol City 4-0 away I think Pardew is right to think his sacking was harsh.

 

His sacking was just down to a clash of egos IMO.

 

There was lots of talk at the time about our players looking out of shape and form through out all of pre-season, personally I think this was the reason. Remember how poor Lambert looked until about 2-3 months in?

[the saint in winchester]

Yeah, we don't really know (*) why Pardew was sacked and presumably a non-disclosure agreement was signed that prevents fans ever knowing.

 

As for Adkins' attributed comment - its not like NA to be so disigenuous. Was he having a bad day? Or have the press attributed that comment to him falsely?

 

(*) If anyone feels they DO know, feel free to PM me.

[St_Tel49]

Yeah, we don't really know (*) why Pardew was sacked and presumably a non-disclosure agreement was signed that prevents fans ever knowing.

 

As for Adkins' attributed comment - its not like NA to be so disigenuous. Was he having a bad day? Or have the press attributed that comment to him falsely?

 

(*) If anyone feels they DO know, feel free to PM me.

I think that the reporter simply took Adkins' fairly guarded comments the way he wanted to. If you ask a question " Do you feels that you owe....?" and get anything other than a "yes", it will be regarded by your average story-seeking hack as a "No".

[Mr X]

Why has pardew come out with these comments now? Has his gagging order expired?

[Thedelldays]

Why has pardew come out with these comments now? Has his gagging order expired?

errm....who are they playing this weekend..?

[sfc4prem]

Owe? Why would Adkins owe anything to Pardew? Surely every manager that takes over a club with decent players would owe the previous incumbent, going by that logic. Benitez owes Di Matteo and AVB; Redknapp owes Mark Hughes; Chris Hughton owes Paul Lambert; Sam Allardyce owes Avram Grant etc, etc.

[Barry Sanchez]

Pardew deserves credit but we have to be honest a club of our size would get out of there eventually and the money we spent as well, it was a good team and all this mentioning of back to back promotions now is really beginning to **** me off, such a smokescreen and we swallow it.

[Wes Tender]

Why has pardew come out with these comments now? Has his gagging order expired?

 

He's covering his arse in case we somehow manage to give them a good hiding. Then in the post match interview, he will claim that he played a major part in getting us to where we are today. If Lambert scores, he will claim that he spotted his potential to play a role in the Premiership and that his faith in him was vindicated.

[Turkish]

He's covering his arse in case we somehow manage to give them a good hiding. Then in the post match interview, he will claim that he played a major part in getting us to where we are today. If Lambert scores, he will claim that he spotted his potential to play a role in the Premiership and that his faith in him was vindicated.

 

Of course he is Les.

 

He did actually say when we he was manager Lambert will be able to play in the premier league, as would Fonte, the rest have to prove they can. So of course, that point is correct, well done for being right for once.

Edited 24 November, 2012 by Turkish

[Turkish]

Pardew deserves credit but we have to be honest a club of our size would get out of there eventually and the money we spent as well, it was a good team and all this mentioning of back to back promotions now is really beginning to **** me off, such a smokescreen and we swallow it.

 

Spot on Barry. Just a mong board tip for You, you can only mention the amount of money when it suits, like here, when you discredit someone not associated with SFC. For example you are quite right to mention that we spent a ridiculous amount to get out of legue one to belittle Pardews role here, but if this thread was a pro Cortese one this would be irrelevant and you have to remember Cortese appointed Adkins when we were near the bottom of the table and he turned a crap, under performing team around into a team that would have won the league if the season had been 5 games longer. Other than that you are showing a lot of potential as a top mongboard poster.

[Patrick Bateman]

Spot on Barry. Just a mong board tip for You, you can only mention the amount of money when it suits, like here, when you discredit someone not associated with SFC. For example you are quite right to mention that we spent a ridiculous amount to get out of legue one to belittle Pardews role here, but if this thread was a pro Cortese one this would be irrelevant and you have to remember Cortese appointed Adkins when we were near the bottom of the table and he turned a crap, under performing team around into a team that would have won the league if the season had been 5 games longer. Other than that you are showing a lot of potential as a top mongboard poster.

 

But mate, you know as well as I do that people's opinions with football change more often than their pants.

 

All I'll say (again) is; "Oh no, not Jerry f***ing Edwards"

[dronskisaint]

I tend towards this view...I've heard all the conspiracy theories but wouldn't trot them out as fact...nobody actually knows and agendas drive opinions.

 

Ultimately when an employee and a manager don't see eye to eye there's usually only one winner...in this case it's worked out for all parties including Newcastle and I'll clap him at the start in gratitude for the foundations that he helped to lay here and then hope that he goes home miserable!

[Legod Third Coming]

Pardew turned around a club that had forgotten how to win - at any level!

We were awful - truly awful. The Dutch jokers and Lowe has made us the LEAST WINNINGMOST TEAM in ENGLAND - this is all documented.

 

To go from that, to a team used to winning and being disappointed with even draws, is an achievement any manager would and should be proud of.

 

Personally, I think winning the JPT did more for the culture of the club than the Chairman appreciates.

 

However, Pardew and the Chairman clashed and ultimately in those circumstances the man has to go.

 

We were not in turmoil and at the bottom of the league. We were, from memory, something like 13th and one win and a game in hand off of 6th in the league! Our season had swung into gear with a 4-0 away win - can't remember another manager in history to be sacked on the back of those results.

 

Pardew deserves credit for what he did, which is laid a cultural change foundation and for finding Ricky Lambert - our best striker since Steve Moran.

 

Adkins deserves credit for taking that culture and refining it, and above all introducing a brand of football that is not just about winning, but winning the right way.

 

They are two managers whose time with us was perfect for one another.

[Turkish]

Pardew turned around a club that had forgotten how to win - at any level!

We were awful - truly awful. The Dutch jokers and Lowe has made us the LEAST WINNINGMOST TEAM in ENGLAND - this is all documented.

 

To go from that, to a team used to winning and being disappointed with even draws, is an achievement any manager would and should be proud of.

 

Personally, I think winning the JPT did more for the culture of the club than the Chairman appreciates.

 

However, Pardew and the Chairman clashed and ultimately in those circumstances the man has to go.

 

We were not in turmoil and at the bottom of the league. We were, from memory, something like 13th and one win and a game in hand off of 6th in the league! Our season had swung into gear with a 4-0 away win - can't remember another manager in history to be sacked on the back of those results.

 

Pardew deserves credit for what he did, which is laid a cultural change foundation and for finding Ricky Lambert - our best striker since Steve Moran.

 

Adkins deserves credit for taking that culture and refining it, and above all introducing a brand of football that is not just about winning, but winning the right way.

 

They are two managers whose time with us was perfect for on another.

 

Spot on fella. This is exactly how it is.

 

You have to laugh at Les Benders comments tht Pardew is only saying it now so he is setting himself up for his post match interview when we've beaten them where he can praise himself for signing Lambert and getting us where we are, utter mongboard genius!

[Saint_clark]

Of course he is Les.

 

He did actually say when we he was manager Lambert will be able to play in the premier league, as would Fonte, the rest have to prove they can. So of course, that point is correct, well done for being right for once.

 

He actually said Lambert and Davis.

[Turkish]

He actually said Lambert and Davis.

 

Regardless of who the other one was, he did say in L1 Lambert could play in the premier league, So it's fair to say he did spot his talent as a premier league player and signed him when others wouldn't. Les is clearly trying to discredit him for this.

[jam]

I must say the linked article was funny.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8679885.stm

 

What a coincidence that all those clueless muck ringing journos and dark forces with hidden agendas were talking about Pardew getting sacked, then a few months later he did!

[Turkish]

I must say the linked article was funny.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8679885.stm

 

What a coincidence that all those clueless muck ringing journos and dark forces with hidden agendas were talking about Pardew getting sacked, then a few months later he did!

 

Such liars. Making up stories to unsettle us. Also interesting to see Corteses comments about people who used to be associated with the club Voicing their opinions, all of them were wrong as well, Apparantly.

[derry]

Poor results but given that we were only a few games in and just smashed Bristol City 4-0 away I think Pardew is right to think his sacking was harsh

His sacking was just down to a clash of egos IMO.

 

Both Pardew and Downes were suspended then subsequently sacked with no comment by either party. There was an incident after the match I believe.

[VectisSaint]

Poor results but given that we were only a few games in and just smashed Bristol City 4-0 away I think Pardew is right to think his sacking was harsh.

 

His sacking was just down to a clash of egos IMO.

Sacking was nothing to do with results, Pardew admits he and Cortese just didn't see eye to eye. There is an interesting bit in the Northern Echo today:

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/10068735.Pardew___I_was_relieved_when_Southampton_sacked_me_/

 

By the way it was Rovers we beat 4-0 not City.

[Fan The Flames]

Pardew turned around a club that had forgotten how to win - at any level!

We were awful - truly awful. The Dutch jokers and Lowe has made us the LEAST WINNINGMOST TEAM in ENGLAND - this is all documented.

 

To go from that, to a team used to winning and being disappointed with even draws, is an achievement any manager would and should be proud of.

 

Personally, I think winning the JPT did more for the culture of the club than the Chairman appreciates.

 

However, Pardew and the Chairman clashed and ultimately in those circumstances the man has to go.

 

We were not in turmoil and at the bottom of the league. We were, from memory, something like 13th and one win and a game in hand off of 6th in the league! Our season had swung into gear with a 4-0 away win - can't remember another manager in history to be sacked on the back of those results.

 

Pardew deserves credit for what he did, which is laid a cultural change foundation and for finding Ricky Lambert - our best striker since Steve Moran.

 

Adkins deserves credit for taking that culture and refining it, and above all introducing a brand of football that is not just about winning, but winning the right way.

 

They are two managers whose time with us was perfect for one another.

 

You are being a bit dramatic with this changing culture nonsence, Pardew was hired to get a team that had not played in the third division for 50 odd years out of said division, simple as that. He did a good job and I was sad to see him go, but as someone else said there is only one winner when the manager and chairman dont get on. He has gone on to do ok and we have been ok with out him. No beef

[Turkish]

Sacking was nothing to do with results, Pardew admits he and Cortese just didn't see eye to eye. There is an interesting bit in the Northern Echo today:

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/10068735.Pardew___I_was_relieved_when_Southampton_sacked_me_/

 

By the way it was Rovers we beat 4-0 not City.

 

No No No! This isn't true. It's the Northern echos anti Saints agenda!

[VectisSaint]

No No No! This isn't true. It's the Northern echos anti Saints agenda!

Of course it is...The Cult of Cortese will soon rise up in your mind and defeat the dirty Northern Echo for spreading such evil nonsense about Il Duce.

[Mr X]

He's covering his arse in case we somehow manage to give them a good hiding. Then in the post match interview, he will claim that he played a major part in getting us to where we are today. If Lambert scores, he will claim that he spotted his potential to play a role in the Premiership and that his faith in him was vindicated.

 

You could be right there going to be a tough game can't see us winning but a draw would be a good result