rickylambert Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Gazza, Boruc or Davis:? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Will be Gazza, should be Boruc dependent on fatness and eccentricity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Honestly, no idea. My preference would be for gazza, seems to communicate well with the defence and hasnt had any calamaties, the odd mistake here and there but that goes for the bulk of our squad ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Gazza is now number 1 imo same team as Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 My preference is KD, he has been hard done by I think !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Gazza will start the match in goal, whether he will finish is up for debate....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Gazza, Boruc or Davis:? I have no idea. Any reason you're asking other people who don't know? I suggest you either ask Nigel directly or, wait and bloody see at the weekend. Jesus wept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 I am hoping it will be Kelvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Hang on I'll get me boots out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_southy Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 KD had his chance, Gazza had the Swansea game and QPR. Both games we didn't keep a clean sheet due to poor keeping. I don't like to admit it but Boruc needs a run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotsaintsfan Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Gazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Redstripe Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 I have no idea. Any reason you're asking other people who don't know? I suggest you either ask Nigel directly or, wait and bloody see at the weekend. Jesus wept. Give him a break, he's only trying to find out who everyone would like to see in goal and gather opinions, Jesus wept! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Boruc edges it on Gazza for me in terms of but he's not got his match sharpness yet. So Gazza for e and at he speed he is learning, Boruc is going to have to work exceptionally hard to get another chance. Davis remains a sound back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Never change a winning team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Are we going to have this thread every week? I suppose it highlights our weakness in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Gazza easily KD is cooked and Boruc is not up to scatch at this stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Gazza is afforded an awful lot of good will on here, courtesy of being young. If Boruc had played as poorly as Gazza has he would be getting ripped to shreds for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 1. Boruc 2. Gazzaniga 3. Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Tim Krul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Gazza is afforded an awful lot of good will on here, courtesy of being young. If Boruc had played as poorly as Gazza has he would be getting ripped to shreds for it. I don't think many people think Gazza is that good, but people have noticed that all of our decent performances have coincided with him being in goal, while our absolute worst performances have come with Boruc in goal. Now maybe that's coincidence or maybe it has something to do with how they affect the defence, but whatever it is, people cringe a bit at going back to how it was with Boruc in goal. For what it's worth, I think Davis is probably best at organising the defence and that he might have just been having a shaky patch and could have come good, but if we played well with Gazza, I don't want to change too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 I've always felt that Boruc should be our No.1 keeper when he entered the building based on his 'top flight' experience. However, I think the need to keep any starting 11 changes to a minimum outweighs that train of thought at the moment. As such, I would stick with Gazza until we have another bad run ( if indeed we do...) and switch to Boruc at that point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Honestly, no idea. My preference would be for gazza, seems to communicate well with the defence and hasnt had any calamaties, the odd mistake here and there but that goes for the bulk of our squad ... !!!!!!!!????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 I don't think many people think Gazza is that good, but people have noticed that all of our decent performances have coincided with him being in goal, while our absolute worst performances have come with Boruc in goal. Now maybe that's coincidence or maybe it has something to do with how they affect the defence, but whatever it is, people cringe a bit at going back to how it was with Boruc in goal. For what it's worth, I think Davis is probably best at organising the defence and that he might have just been having a shaky patch and could have come good, but if we played well with Gazza, I don't want to change too much. our decent performances with him in goal have also been against the other 2 teams in the bottom 3... boruc was in goal against top 6-8 teams.......when gazza faced everton..we were soundly beaten and he (again) fluffed a goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 1. Boruc 2. Gazzaniga 3. Davis Yep. If we take sentiment out of the e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Sorry, I'll try again. Yep. If we take sentiment out of the equation. Gazza is still learning his trade, Kelvin has recently shown he's not up to it. Boruc is a class act. Maybe Kelvin has been carrying an injury and is now fit. Maybe Gazza has learned enough. But it's too risky right now to hope for either when you have a genuine, quality goaklkeeper "in the building". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 I'd rather see Gazza than Droppa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Sorry, I'll try again. Yep. If we take sentiment out of the equation. Gazza is still learning his trade, Kelvin has recently shown he's not up to it. Boruc is a class act. Maybe Kelvin has been carrying an injury and is now fit. Maybe Gazza has learned enough. But it's too risky right now to hope for either when you have a genuine, quality goaklkeeper "in the building". I agree to some extend but the genuine quality goalkeeper has not been fit enough and not really mentally up to it either. So unless Boruc has showed in training the he is fit and has the mentality to fight for the team then I think Gazza should continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 (edited) Boruc for me, we need a keeper less likely to make mistakes and I think he is the man, you can say "don't change a winning team" but I think we managed to win last week even though Gazza was awful mainly because the defence were much much better and he had little to do, when he was called upon he came close to f*cking it up. I'm pretty sure we would have had a clean sheet last week with Boruc in goal. He wouldn't have come for that cross and would have probably calmly collected hoillets header on the line, as it was at best a glancing header and was pretty much straight down the middle. There was no reason for Gazza to come out into no mans land for it. He also cost us points against Swansea. The defence is improving every week, we don;t need a calamity keeper behind them. Get Boruc in get him fit and match sharp and he'll be winning us points. Edited 23 November, 2012 by tajjuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polegategavin Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Honestly, no idea. My preference would be for gazza, seems to communicate well with the defence and hasnt had any calamaties, the odd mistake here and there but that goes for the bulk of our squad ... We do seem to be giving Gazza an enormous amount of slack. His performances in the last 2 games alone would have caused us to be spitting blood about Davis or Boruc and could have cost us 6 points but do to the performance of the bulk of our outfield players it did not matter. when the outfield players haven't performed well and Davis or Boruc have been in goal they have taken the brunt of criticism for results. These 2 performances are not isolated for Gazza either. His judgement on crosses is suspect, and his positioning for one on ones has not been great (Taarabt shot last week aside). He does however look like he has the potential to be a good keeper with continual coaching. It does appear that many fans on here are using the superstitious approach that because he has been in goal when we have won, therefore he should stay in goal. It is performances that win games not personnel per say. I for one would have Boruc in goal and give him a run of say 3 games before reviewing, unless he makes some horrendous decisions in a match. We cannot afford to leave anyhing to chance/ superstition. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 We have a stated policy of buying playing and blooding the young so if its 50/50 Gazza will always get the nod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 1. Boruc 2. Gazzaniga 3. Davis This. Boruc has 40 caps for Poland and played virtually every match for Fiorentina last season, a decent Serie A team. Neither of the others have this kind of pedigree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Neither Davis or Boruc have shown anything in the matches they have played that would get them in the team. Davis was awful, Boruc was awful against WHU and poor enough against Spurs to get the crowd on his back. Evidence of class is what I'd like to see not pie in the sky. Boruc to date has been a massive disappointment and looks overweight and ponderous. After two months here I would expect to see him slimmed down and unless he has forget it. I'd prefer what we have with Gazzaniga rather than reputations that look well out of date. I'd be surprised if Adkins changes a defence that is improving week on week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Boruc to play in goal .. Gazza n the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Neither Davis or Boruc have shown anything in the matches they have played that would get them in the team. Davis was awful, Boruc was awful against WHU and poor enough against Spurs to get the crowd on his back. Evidence of class is what I'd like to see not pie in the sky. Boruc to date has been a massive disappointment and looks overweight and ponderous. After two months here I would expect to see him slimmed down and unless he has forget it. I'd prefer what we have with Gazzaniga rather than reputations that look well out of date. I'd be surprised if Adkins changes a defence that is improving week on week. amazing how you can judge boruc after two games...against far better sides than villa and QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svetigpung Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 we have three reserve keepers at the moment. to be honest i think Kelv would be the best bet at the momemt. Gazza has been a liability at times and in this division they punish you time and time again. Pretty sure Kelvin would be even more secure between the posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Personally I would have KD. We got hammered at Arsenal, we won't be the first or the last to get battered there and he paid the price for it, despite some truly shambolic defending in front of him. Gazza has been at fault for 2 goals in the last 2 games now and had a few other dodgy moments in the QPR game. I haven't seen anything from him to suggest that he is ready yet. The goalkeeping problem should've been addressed in the summer (the Boruc panic signing clearly hasn't worked), alas it wasn't and we're having to try and scrape through to January like we are in a couple of other positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 amazing how you can judge boruc after two games...against far better sides than villa and QPR Because he came with a reputation, overweight and has proved anything but. I first saw him in the U21 game v MU, I was looking forward to seeing him play but he was a massive disappointment. He then played two first team games that were really poor displays. He needs a big change to make him fit for purpose. If he can recapture previous form, fine, but not from what I've seen to date. Either way the defence has looked better with Gazzaniga in goal, especially Fonte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Personally I would have KD. We got hammered at Arsenal, we won't be the first or the last to get battered there and he paid the price for it, despite some truly shambolic defending in front of him. Gazza has been at fault for 2 goals in the last 2 games now and had a few other dodgy moments in the QPR game. I haven't seen anything from him to suggest that he is ready yet. The goalkeeping problem should've been addressed in the summer (the Boruc panic signing clearly hasn't worked), alas it wasn't and we're having to try and scrape through to January like we are in a couple of other positions. A side from the Arsenal game where he was at fault for two goals, he was poor in the other games he played. Gazza did a sloppy pass against Swansea but Davis did two of those in 5 mins against Utd, 1 resulted in the pen which he of course saved. For me there would be no improvement with Davis in goal, just worse kicking and agility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Because he came with a reputation, overweight and has proved anything but. I first saw him in the U21 game v MU, I was looking forward to seeing him play but he was a massive disappointment. He then played two first team games that were really poor displays. He needs a big change to make him fit for purpose. If he can recapture previous form, fine, but not from what I've seen to date. Either way the defence has looked better with Gazzaniga in goal, especially Fonte. it looks better as gazza has played (and in QPR, played very poorly) against the other two worst teams in the league...had boruc been in, he would have done the same at the very very least IMO if gazza plays, it is like waiting for his 'in game' howler.....with keepers, it will cost you goals..as he has done in the last two games...I have not seen him make a save that any other ordinary keeper wouldnt make...yet he is very good for a massive howler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 The save he did against Fulham was world class. No way Davis would have even got off the ground. He has made some very good stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 The save he did against Fulham was world class. No way Davis would have even got off the ground. He has made some very good stops. People see what they want. It's easy to isolate glaring errors. The goal against Swansea and a couple of mistakes v QPR but the rest of his game was decent. A big plus was nothing coming back off him or being beaten at the near post and the save against Fulham was a result changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 A side from the Arsenal game where he was at fault for two goals, he was poor in the other games he played. Gazza did a sloppy pass against Swansea but Davis did two of those in 5 mins against Utd, 1 resulted in the pen which he of course saved. For me there would be no improvement with Davis in goal, just worse kicking and agility. For me, Davis is the best of a bad bunch. Gazza was absolutely devastated after his error in the Swansea game and literally ran off the pitch at the end, imagine he felt similar (though not as bad due to the result) about the QPR gaff. He's been thrown in at the deep end when clearly not ready due to poor management during the transfer window and IMO this is only going to be detrimental to his development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 !!!!!!!!????? Ok I admit I was edging around the swansea game, he had at least partial blame for that one, but Boruc hasnt exactly shown much of his stated quality so far. Gazza's distribution (minus the one obvious example!) has been good and his command of the box has been okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Ok I admit I was edging around the swansea game, he had at least partial blame for that one, but Boruc hasnt exactly shown much of his stated quality so far. Gazza's distribution (minus the one obvious example!) has been good and his command of the box has been okay. Apart from standing in no-mans land for QPR's goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 What a mess to be in, 3 keepers, all with some strengths, but all appear to have significant weaknesses. By default I would keep Gazza in goal and hope he can eliminate the silly mistakes and maintain his concentration for the full 90, the more he plays the better he will get (hopefully!). Unfortunately due to his last two performances he has put himself in the firing line and could possibly be dropped on Sunday. Anymore foul-ups and it will be hard for NA to persist with him, 'settled side' or not. I'm sort of leaning towards a second chance for KD, excellent last season but hopeless in the games he played this season. Has he learnt from this and is he ready to bounce back? Unlikely but possible. I'm rather discounting Boruc, I'm well aware of his pedigree but he has looked like a joke in the games he has played - maybe he has trained hard and sharpened up over the last 6 weeks (or maybe the 'incident' and the 'inquiry' has further unsettled him)? In reality this is NA's biggest dilemma at the moment - he's sees the players train every day and I'm sure we can rely on him to make the right call. I'll have a cheeky fiver that Gazza starts on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 The fact that Gazzaniga replaced Boruc at WBA with Davis on the bench leads me to think that Adkins views Gazzaniga and Boruc well ahead of Davis. IMO the only way Davis will get back in if the other two perform badly, I can't see it. It would surprise me if Gazzaniga is left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Apart from standing in no-mans land for QPR's goal. Ok fair point, perhaps I should've been clearer with what i meant, the defence look more organised with him behind them. I dont have a panic attack at every corner or set piece. I might be being naive but I think gazza has plenty of potential to be a solid number one for years to come, once he shakes off the mistakes and works on his positioning. If boruc can come in and do a job right away then that'd be lovely but so far I don't think he's shown it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 Ok fair point, perhaps I should've been clearer with what i meant, the defence look more organised with him behind them. I dont have a panic attack at every corner or set piece. I might be being naive but I think gazza has plenty of potential to be a solid number one for years to come, once he shakes off the mistakes and works on his positioning. If boruc can come in and do a job right away then that'd be lovely but so far I don't think he's shown it. He should be working off the mistakes in training and the Under 21's, not in the first team that is struggling for wins as it is. I agree he looks a great prospect and has all the attributes but personally I think he doesn't look quite up to it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 He should be working off the mistakes in training and the Under 21's, not in the first team that is struggling for wins as it is. I agree he looks a great prospect and has all the attributes but personally I think he doesn't look quite up to it yet. In an ideal world yes. Would love to have him with the dev squad or even loaned out under less pressure but, with boruc and kd as the other two choices, i'd stick with him. Do agree with sentiments on other posts about keeping being worth a good deal of points, I remember Niemi keeping us in game after game which I dont see any of our current choices doing ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 23 November, 2012 Share Posted 23 November, 2012 In an ideal world yes. Would love to have him with the dev squad or even loaned out under less pressure but, with boruc and kd as the other two choices, i'd stick with him. Do agree with sentiments on other posts about keeping being worth a good deal of points, I remember Niemi keeping us in game after game which I dont see any of our current choices doing ... Boruc has certainly got the ability to be up there with Neimi, but the twin demons of mind and waistline have to be tethered first. Perhaps he needs to feel the love of the fans ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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