Pedro Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 One thing for sure, this will spark a managerial merry go round, RDM becoming available will now give some trigger happy chairmen another option. Loads of intriguing potential changes and I bet clubs like Leeds and Birmingham are waiting to see if Adkins,Hughes/McDermott becomes available because they surely didn't expect to be near the bottom of the Championship. Winning at QPR gave us all lift and took NA out of the firing line, hope for a couple of good home results now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 What a brilliant post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 That was intended to have pokingfun's post quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Frankly if Nigel was fired we could do a hell of a lot worse as a replacement than Di Matteo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 If nothing else, this will kick start the rumour mill again. Personally, stick with NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Think of theoretical managerial swaps whatever happened to the Hughes/NA job swap you heard it here first affair ? Di Matteo to QPR now seems a possible outcome to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 If nothing else, this will kick start the rumour mill again. Personally, stick with NA. think we will, for the immediate future anyway. Will depend on the next couple of results I suspect. We're not out of the drop zone yet and if we're still in it after the Norwich game things might be seen differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Di Matteo to QPR now seems a possible outcome to me That one is well worth a wager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 well i'm not but..... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Loose on Sat and RDM will be manager by Tuesday - unfortunately :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Loose on Sat and RDM will be manager by Tuesday - unfortunately :-( good job we're playing on Sunday then :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Loose on Sat and RDM will be manager by Tuesday - unfortunately :-( Why? What evidence is there that RDM could do any better than NA with the players available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Why? What evidence is there that RDM could do any better than NA with the players available? Because he has won the FA cup and champions league for a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Because he has won the FA cup and champions league for a start With our players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Because he has won the FA cup and champions league for a start He said with the players available though......could he do that with Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 With our players? What evidence is there of any new manager being able to do a better job than the previous one with those players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Because he has won the FA cup and champions league for a start Why do you hate Adkins so much? You constantly slate him on here. I'd rather keep a manager who has his players playing for him, playing some cracking football, and pretty much ideal for the job in hand, over someone who has just won the Champions League...yes as bonkers as that sounds. Ok if we do sh!it up until xmas, then maybe he should be relieved of his duties. but we shouldn't underestimate continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Perhaps we couldn't even afford Di Matteo, perhaps he wouldn't even be interested. Plenty of big jobs will be available in the next few months, Spurs and Liverpool for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I think we should stick with NA too. BUT Its not what I or you all think. NC sas a finite window of opportunity here. If he rates RDM, thinks they could have a good working relationship and is already mulling over a change, its probably will happen very quickly, since he will know that RDM is likely to be snapped up soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 More than happy with Uncle Nigel:) If I am happy..that should be enough for some of you jolly hockey types. Come on Nige 3 more points against Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 It's amazing what a win can do, and even before the QPR victory the vast majority of posters on here and fans generally were very happy to back Nigel Adkins. The main variable though, as Alpine points out is that this backing will not figure in Cortese's decision, if he feels he must act quickly to secure Di Matteo. Should he make this call it is his a*se on the line if things don't work out, not that this would bother him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Pompey to get Di Matteo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I think you are all jumping the gun,RDM will be looking for a bigger appointment than SFC....after all his cv has improved a bit over the last few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I've been telling you all along that di Matteo and Cortese are best mates and that as soon as Chelsea dumped him - he was always a fill in there anyway as events have proved - he would join us. Timing is perfect. Cortese will have known what was going on behind the scenes at Chelsea. Now it seems Adkins is up irrespective of recent results and the outcome of our two home games over the long weekend. The waiting is over for Cortese. The downside is that Chelsea can't defend either so whilst di Matteo's style of play helped Swansea & WBA develop their tippy-tappy style of football that is a prefect match to the 'Adkins' style, we may end up in exactly the same position as we are now but with a more experienced manager and maybe some better under-studies. At least di matteo is also great mates with Roy Hodgson so this should help Lambert, Lallana 7 Cork. Now, you have to admit it all adds up....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I've been telling you all along that di Matteo and Cortese are best mates and that as soon as Chelsea dumped him - he was always a fill in there anyway as events have proved - he would join us. Timing is perfect. Cortese will have known what was going on behind the scenes at Chelsea. Now it seems Adkins is up irrespective of recent results and the outcome of our two home games over the long weekend. The waiting is over for Cortese. The downside is that Chelsea can't defend either so whilst di Matteo's style of play helped Swansea & WBA develop their tippy-tappy style of football that is a prefect match to the 'Adkins' style, we may end up in exactly the same position as we are now but with a more experienced manager and maybe some better under-studies. At least di matteo is also great mates with Roy Hodgson so this should help Lambert, Lallana 7 Cork. Now, you have to admit it all adds up....... Where is the proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Because he has won the FA cup and champions league for a start TDD, have you compared their records in similar roles at all before coming to your conclusion? Do you not believe that given similar resources Nigel Adkins or any other competent manager could put a team together to do well in both the FA Cup and Champions League? If I told you that he only marginally improved Chelsea during his tenure even though he spent an additional £70m during his time at the club would you believe it? Thats basically what has happened. RDM has done a job at Chelsea that is no better than he should have been expected to do given their resources and players so what makes you believe he can improve Southampton when he clearly struggled at WBA under similar circumstances to our current plight? Teams like Chelsea are expected to win things with their resources, unfortunately for RDM his owners expectations are absolutely unreasonable and unrealistic as are your views on why you believe RDM would better NA results. You cannot simply say that he is a better manager because he won a couple of cups, one of them very luckily and not particularly down to tactical nous. Any of us could have put 11 men behind the ball against better teams and got lucky but they won the champions league purely because the opposition in the semi final and final chose to pick poor timing to squander golden chances. The only reason I can see for hiring RDM and removing NA is the fact that RDM has a little more premier league experience (he has managed in 36 more games in the PL). Players wont come here because RDM is in charge as it is the club, wage structure and pull of European football and success that attracts players, not the manager. For me, the extra experience RDM has got is not enough to make a change and be absolutely certain our results would improve so I'm in the sticking camp on this one. So, what are your reasons for thinking RDM is better? Do you seriously believe he is better because he won 2 cups with better resources available or do you think he materially improves teams at this level that he joins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Why do you hate Adkins so much? You constantly slate him on here. I'd rather keep a manager who has his players playing for him, playing some cracking football, and pretty much ideal for the job in hand, over someone who has just won the Champions League...yes as bonkers as that sounds. Ok if we do sh!it up until xmas, then maybe he should be relieved of his duties. but we shouldn't underestimate continuity. I dont hate adkins...where have you got that from..? I just think we are pretty woeful...a win we have to do better than beat the other two teams in the relegation zone....which thus far, despite many chances, we have not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 With our players? maybe RDM is the best manager in the world and that no one on gods earth could do better at chelsea...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 maybe RDM is the best manager in the world and that no one on gods earth could do better at chelsea...... And maybe not ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2012 maybe RDM is the best manager in the world and that no one on gods earth could do better at chelsea...... maybe NA is the best manager in the world and that no one on gods earth could do better at saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I'd be more inclined to credit Chelsea's Champion's league victory to some kind of Satanic pact than managerial ability on the part of Di Matteo. Barcelona missed enough gilt-edged chances over the course of those two games to win the entire CL from scratch, as did Gomez in the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Thing is Di Matteo is going to be no better a defensive organiser than NA, in fact he will probably be worse. Yeh 10 men behind the ball and hope Barcelona miss a hat full worked in the Champions league but this season Chelsea have been very poor defensively and West Brom under him weren't that great either. Stick with Nigel, I think were going to beat Newcastle Sunday and will get something from Liverpool away as well. I reckon we will be midatable come the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 maybe NA is the best manager in the world and that no one on gods earth could do better at saints who knows where we could have been if we only stuck with wigley.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Thing is Di Matteo is going to be no better a defensive organiser than NA, in fact he will probably be worse. Yeh 10 men behind the ball and hope Barcelona miss a hat full worked in the Champions league but this season Chelsea have been very poor defensively and West Brom under him weren't that great either. Stick with Nigel, I think were going to beat Newcastle Sunday and will get something from Liverpool away as well. I reckon we will be midatable come the new year. But maybe it's not RDM, maybe it's the defensive personnel so..............Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Thing is Di Matteo is going to be no better a defensive organiser than NA, in fact he will probably be worse. Yeh 10 men behind the ball and hope Barcelona miss a hat full worked in the Champions league but this season Chelsea have been very poor defensively and West Brom under him weren't that great either. Stick with Nigel, I think were going to beat Newcastle Sunday and will get something from Liverpool away as well. I reckon we will be midatable come the new year. yeah, he would be worse..he only won the champions league on being a defensive unit.. definitely worse...yep, great logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2012 who knows where we could have been if we only stuck with wigley.... Your Wigley comparison is a poor one which really doesn't add to much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Your Wigley comparison is a poor one which really doesn't add to much. bit like comparing adkins to a champions league and FA Cup double winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2012 yeah, he would be worse..he only won the champions league on being a defensive unit.. definitely worse...yep, great logic That was 6 months ago. Over the same time period in which you've decided Adkins is not good enough, RDM's Chelsea have let in a bucket load of goals with two centre halves who cost well over 20M. I'm not surprised that you choose to excuse RDM by focusing on his past exploits but decide that the same logic can't be applied to Adkins where we had the 2nd best defence in the league last year. It's your niche that you've developed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 That was 6 months ago. Over the same time period in which you've decided Adkins is not good enough, RDM's Chelsea have let in a bucket load of goals with two centre halves who cost well over 20M. I'm not surprised that you choose to excuse RDM by focusing on his past exploits but decide that the same logic can't be applied to Adkins where we had the 2nd best defence in the league last year. It's your niche that you've developed 6 months ago..I dont know how recent or how long you have to take into account a success......adkins promotion was also 6 months ago..does that mean we get rid when we go down..? as for money spent..we are the 5th biggest spenders in the UK and 7th in the whole of europe this summer if money relates and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2012 6 months ago..I dont know how recent or how long you have to take into account a success......adkins promotion was also 6 months ago..does that mean we get rid when we go down..? as for money spent..we are the 5th biggest spenders in the UK and 7th in the whole of europe this summer if money relates and all that None of that even makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Thedelldays is a simpleton. Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Thedelldays is a simpleton. Bless. No he's not. He knows about submarines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Thedelldays is a simpleton. Bless. not really...at the end of the day..they are 3rd, 4 points from the top, champions of europe, fa cup holder, still in the CL, still in the League cup and well in the title hunt.. we are very poor DESPITE spending a fuk load for a newly promoted club...yet we have the very best manager ever that is getting the very most our of every game/player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 No he's not. He knows about submarines. which is more than you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Loose on Sat and RDM will be manager by Tuesday - unfortunately :-( Nonsense - and "loose" is the opposite of "tight" by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2012 not really...at the end of the day..they are 3rd, 4 points from the top, champions of europe, fa cup holder, still in the CL, still in the League cup and well in the title hunt.. we are very poor DESPITE spending a fuk load for a newly promoted club...yet we have the very best manager ever that is getting the very most our of every game/player They spent the most amount of money in Europe over the summer having come from a position where they already had a squad capable of winning two cups. Relatively, what we spent to give ourselves a chance to compete in the prem with a squad of players developed from League One is a fraction of their spending yet they still lost at home to Wigan amongst other poor results. I don't believe Chelsea were right to sack him as, as you say, they still have much to aim for this season but to suggest that RDM would be better than Adkins for us on the basis of the champs league win and FA Cup win is the issue people are taking. Give Adkins a squad worth about 250M in a few one off games and see what he could achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Adding to what other people have said, we're really not that poor. Naive maybe, and not been good enough in the odd game, but we have played some great football and given it a good go despite individual errors throwing the game away. It's just idiotic to suggest that because Di Matteo won a trophy even though they got lucky and didnt deserve it, he would do better than NA here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 not really...at the end of the day..they are 3rd, 4 points from the top, champions of europe, fa cup holder, still in the CL, still in the League cup and well in the title hunt.. we are very poor DESPITE spending a fuk load for a newly promoted club...yet we have the very best manager ever that is getting the very most our of every game/player FACT - Chelsea's squad is miles, miles, miles better than ours. FACT - If NA was Chelsea manager he would win a lot more games than we are at the moment. You can't directly compare the two because of our situations, but there is no way that just because he has won the CL he would automatically be better than Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 They spent the most amount of money in Europe over the summer having come from a position where they already had a squad capable of winning two cups. Relatively, what we spent to give ourselves a chance to compete in the prem with a squad of players developed from League One is a fraction of their spending yet they still lost at home to Wigan amongst other poor results. I don't believe Chelsea were right to sack him as, as you say, they still have much to aim for this season but to suggest that RDM would be better than Adkins for us on the basis of the champs league win and FA Cup win is the issue people are taking. Give Adkins a squad worth about 250M in a few one off games and see what he could achieve. fair points...but given the money spent..we SHOULD stay up....plenty of teams have spent no where near what we have, with worse squads and worse managers have stayed up..some, first time of asking...... we shall see how good adkins is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2012 fair points...but given the money spent..we SHOULD stay up....plenty of teams have spent no where near what we have, with worse squads and worse managers have stayed up..some, first time of asking...... we shall see how good adkins is We shall indeed. Important run of games coming up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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