Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Very close to losing his job at Chelsea. Rumoured to be fairly close to NC and was touted to have been lined up for the Saints job should he have failed to land the Chelsea job on a perm basis. Opinions on whether the availability of Di Matteo would put more pressure on Adkins? Personally, I'd rather see us stick with Adkins for the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Stick with Nige! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 He got WBA promoted didn't he? Wouldn't rule it out if things go t its up for Nigel. Rather him than Redknapp anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Benitez will be in next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Di Matteo has been sacked....confirmed by SSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Nigel is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Nigel is better. Really??? How many champions league and FA cups has out Nigel won? It lie saying lallana is better than hazard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I was told Di Matteo was going to be our manager in the summer if he didn't get the Chelsea job. source - a member of the Chelsea board who I Know well via work contacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 ESPN FC @ESPNFC BREAKING: Roberto Di Matteo has left Chelsea. #CFC cya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 He's just been sacked btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Really??? How many champions league and FA cups has out Nigel won? It lie saying lallana is better than hazard Yes I do believe that. He is developing with the team, is one of the best, if not the best sports psychologists around. And who knows how many Champions League and FA Cups he may win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I was told Di Matteo was going to be our manager in the summer if he didn't get the Chelsea job. source - a member of the Chelsea board who I Know well via work contacts. And why would a member of the Chelsea board know who Saints would be appointing? Another shock horror story as Turkish leaps on another opportunity to revive his NA out agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I was told Di Matteo was going to be our manager in the summer if he didn't get the Chelsea job. source - a member of the Chelsea board who I Know well via work contacts. Alan Nixon was saying the same thing. However, he must have been lying as the story was not positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Really??? How many champions league and FA cups has out Nigel won? It lie saying lallana is better than hazard I'd say Adkins is better. How much actual 'management' did Di Matteo do in that Champs League run? It was Lampard, Terry and Drogba running the show. What sort of job did he do at WBA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 And why would a member of the Chelsea board know who Saints would be appointing? Another shock horror story as Turkish leaps on another opportunity to revive his NA out agenda. Utter nonsense. I want to keep NA. If you're going to have a go at me at least hmget your facts right, knob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I'd say Adkins is better. How much actual 'management' did Di Matteo do in that Champs League run? It was Lampard, Terry and Drogba running the show. What sort of job did he do at WBA? It does appear that RDM's biggest asset was saying yes to those boys. He had a chance that few others with his experience would have got and failed to deliver at a club with massive resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Yes I do believe that. He is developing with the team, is one of the best, if not the best sports psychologists around. And who knows how many Champions League and FA Cups he may win. I'm The mean time. We are just pretty woeful and 2nd from bottom of the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Win win situation, if the results pick up before Xmas then we have Adkins with us to take us to the next level, if he fails bring this guy in who will do a fantastic job for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Benitez will be in next Said to be going in as caretaker at Chelsea until Summer IF they can't get Pep to come in earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Another shining example of what a joke football has become. Chelsea are 3rd in the league and only 4 points behind the leaders. The same leaders who are also on the brink of elimination from the Champions League. It was always going to be a big ask for them to repeat the success of last season but let's be honest, Di Matteo has worked wonders there when you look at how the team were performing before he was given the managers job. Laughable, absolutely laughable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Said to be going in as caretaker at Chelsea until Summer IF they can't get Pep to come in earlier. Why would someone like him but used as a stepping stone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Very close to losing his job at Chelsea. Rumoured to be fairly close to NC and was touted to have been lined up for the Saints job should he have failed to land the Chelsea job on a perm basis. Opinions on whether the availability of Di Matteo would put more pressure on Adkins? Personally, I'd rather see us stick with Adkins for the long term. love it when people start a thread advocating something but then retracting it at the end ala... "I'm not a racist but...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 So Roman toys with his little play thing yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Another shining example of what a joke football has become. Chelsea are 3rd in the league and only 4 points behind the leaders. The same leaders who are also on the brink of elimination from the Champions League. It was always going to be a big ask for them to repeat the success of last season but let's be honest, Di Matteo has worked wonders there when you look at how the team were performing before he was given the managers job. Laughable, absolutely laughable! Chelsea spent around £70M or so last season on players, and RDM was given another £70M to spend this season. Were it not for winning the Champs League they'd have made (another) enormous financial loss last year; presumably, with a potential exit looming, those potential losses have come home ot roost. Looks like 'Arry could get his dream job.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Wow, all the media pressure on Nigel and over the weekend on Hughes and its a team who were on fire a few weeks ago and are only 4 points off top spot, who decide to make the first move. Football is so unpredictable at times. Shame for Di Matteo, seems a very genuine chap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 [quote=Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod;1534420 Football is so unpredictable at times. Shame for Di Matteo, seems a very genuine chap. Football maybe, Abramovich...not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Chelsea should stick with a manager for the long term.....and win jack sh it for a decade like Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Oh well it wasnt Adkins or even Hughes that went first then! Bookies will be happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Bet the bookies are pleased, they can now trouser all those next sacking bets on odds on candidates like Nigel and Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2012 love it when people start a thread advocating something but then retracting it at the end ala... "I'm not a racist but...." Haha, haven't advocated anything. It's an inevitable discussion point considering the speculation from the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Haha, haven't advocated anything. It's an inevitable discussion point considering the speculation from the summer Racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I'd say Adkins is better. How much actual 'management' did Di Matteo do in that Champs League run? It was Lampard, Terry and Drogba running the show. What sort of job did he do at WBA? He got WBA promoted and they weren't even in the relegation zone when he got the sack. How do you know how much "actual management" he did in the Champs League? I love it how people simplify these things. Lampard Terry and Drogba are players, not the manager. You make it sound like you could have done it. Could you? Could Adkins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 It does appear that RDM's biggest asset was saying yes to those boys. He had a chance that few others with his experience would have got and failed to deliver at a club with massive resources. OK, so what exactly did he fail to deliver for them in his time there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I'm The mean time. We are just pretty woeful and 2nd from bottom of the league Chelsea have had 1 win in 8 and on brink of being knocked out of Champs League in the group stage. Woeful for the 140M spent over two seasons. Their defence has been shocking, they are far too open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Racist. Well I'm not but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 (edited) Chelsea should stick with a manager for the long term.....and win jack sh it for a decade like Arsenal. A bit unfair Chelsea have unlimited funds! Arsenal were balancing the books buying and bringing youngsters through, playing an attractive type of football and paying for a massive stadium from football income. The fact they have managed to be top 4 for so long is a great achievement based on the resources available. Wenger would probably have won plenty with Chelsea like resources So there is a point in sticking with one manager it produces continuity, togetherness a fixed style of playing, stability and a long term plan and youth policy. How well did we do when we changed management and teams every year? compared to a Bates or a Macmenemy or even a Nicholl ? not to well me thinks! Without the continuity and exceptional skills provided by Le Tiss we would have sunk to the depths of league 1 many years earlier than we did. Edited 21 November, 2012 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 He got WBA promoted and they weren't even in the relegation zone when he got the sack. How do you know how much "actual management" he did in the Champs League? I love it how people simplify these things. Lampard Terry and Drogba are players' date=' not the manager. You make it sound like you could have done it. Could you? Could Adkins?[/quote'] Two words; Avram Grant. Things aren't always as black or white as you think. Unless you truly believe Uncle Avram is a genuinely top quality football manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Well I'm not but..... Pah, you say that but I don't see any proof of such a claim.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 OK' date=' so what exactly did he fail to deliver for them in his time there?[/quote'] Consistency. Chelsea are European Champions, yet a draw in Ukraine in two weeks will see them dumped out of the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Really??? How many champions league and FA cups has out Nigel won? It lie saying lallana is better than hazard Your last point highlights why there is no comparison that can be made between NA and RDM. It's like comparing Lallana with Hazard given the vast resources RDM has at his disposal compared with what NA has available. A better comparison will be their managerial records at lower league clubs. Looks like similar records in L1 (in fact, NA is a little better, however, he will have had bigger resources than MKD but less at Scunny). In the PL with WBA he was sacked after 25 games with a 28% win record which is better than NA at the moment however it is fair to say we can't really judge either manager on such a small sample size. RDM has done a decent enough job at Chelsea though so that extra experience may give him the edge but surely NA could have done a decent job at Chelsea as well given the vast resources available. Winning 2 cups is clearly good, but he did have a huge slice of luck to win the Champions League having been completely outplayed by teams in the knockout stages. All in all, for now, we should definitely give NA the opportunity to carry on his work as there are signs of improvement and so far our record against teams in the lower half of the table is starting to look alright with many games against mid-lower table teams to come. FWIW, I think RDM has been harshly treated at Chelsea as their squad depth is nothing like that of Man U and Man C, however, the same thinking would apply in my mind if NA was removed and RDM came in. It would be harsh to say the least and there would be no guarantee that RDM would deliver better results either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 FFS, Abrahmovic is such an unreasonable demanding bugger. Di Matteo won him his first Champions League title, FFS. And everytime Abrahmovic does this, it has domino effects in the rest of football. I can really see NC going for Di Matteo if he has already decided deep down to change, so Abrahmovic's actions could well have opened the exit door for NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 A bit unfair Chelsea have unlimited funds! Arsenal were balancing the books buying and bringing youngsters through, playing an attractive type of football and paying for a massive stadium from football income. The fact they have managed to be top 4 for so long is a great achievement based on the resources available. Wenger would probably have won plenty with Chelsea like resources So there is a point in sticking with one manager it produces continuity, togetherness a fixed style of playing, stability and a long term plan and yout policy. How well did we do when wwe changed management and teams every year? compared to a Bates or a Macmenemy? not to well me thinks! Without the continuity and exceptional skills provided by Le Tiss we would have sunk without trace to league 1 much earlier than we did. I attended a business function at the Emirates yesterday and afterwards we had a guided tour of the stadium. I was amazed how much input Wenger supposedly had in parts of it's design, particularly the dressing room. Apparently he even had his way that the "subs" bench (if you could call it that these days), which has underfloor heating as Wenger said he wanted his subs to come on with toasty feet! The opposition subs bench doesn't get this of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I attended a business function at the Emirates yesterday and afterwards we had a guided tour of the stadium. I was amazed how much input Wenger supposedly had in parts of it's design' date=' particularly the dressing room. Apparently he even had his way that the "subs" bench (if you could call it that these days), which has underfloor heating as Wenger said he wanted his subs to come on with toasty feet! The opposition subs bench doesn't get this of course.[/quote'] I'm pretty sure that Wenger holds a masters degree in some form of electronic engineering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Two words; Avram Grant. Things aren't always as black or white as you think. Unless you truly believe Uncle Avram is a genuinely top quality football manager. **** me, how can you turn what I just said there into me "believing Avram Grant is a genuinely top quality manager"? All I meant was that it's easy for the average football fan to say Terry, Drogba and Lampard won the champs league with no effort from the manager. Over simplified in my opinion. Funny how these 3 never managed to do it for Chelsea before then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 **** me' date=' how can you turn what I just said there into me "believing Avram Grant is a genuinely top quality manager"? All I meant was that it's easy for the average football fan to say Terry, Drogba and Lampard won the champs league with no effort from the manager. Over simplified in my opinion. Funny how these 3 never managed to do it for Chelsea before then[/quote'] No, not quite. The question was really "do you believe Grant was a top manager? Or so you believe player power got the team as far as they did in the Champions League under his stewardship". Its an often-labelled crticism of Grant that Chelsea got as far as they did in the CL despite his efforts, rather than because of them. The images of John Terry leading the team talk going into extra time rather than the manager spoke volumes. As I pointed out; there are shades of gray in between the black and white of "Champions League winner = massively capable manager". As there are with RDM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 No, not quite. The question was really "do you believe Grant was a top manager? Or so you believe player power got the team as far as they did in the Champions League under his stewardship". Its an often-labelled crticism of Grant that Chelsea got as far as they did in the CL despite his efforts, rather than because of them. The images of John Terry leading the team talk going into extra time rather than the manager spoke volumes. As I pointed out; there are shades of gray in between the black and white of "Champions League winner = massively capable manager". As there are with RDM. I agree with your last statement, but the players still need to be managed. In this case, a manager was required who could harness the obvious talents of the players at his disposal, so you could argue that RDM was "massively capable" at doing this, unlike his predecessor. There are always shades of grey in every aspect of life - nothing is as black and white as the media or for that matter a lot of posters on here would have you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 november,the month when chelsea get rid of managers, should have had a bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 [h=2][/h] Bugger. Just as we settle down now NA will be off to replace Di Matteo Hope NC gets cash compensation. Don't let them palm Torres off onto us in lieu of cash Nicola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I agree with your last statement' date=' but the players still need to be managed. In this case, a manager was required who could harness the obvious talents of the players at his disposal, so you could argue that RDM was "massively capable" at doing this, unlike his predecessor. There are always shades of grey in every aspect of life - nothing is as black and white as the media or for that matter a lot of posters on here would have you believe.[/quote'] Perhaps. Or maybe they also thought that the £70M spent on players last year and the £70M spent in the summer wasn't being pushed to its full potential this term? I'd certainly be asking questions of Mankini's progress at Man City given the truckloads of filthy lucre he's thrown at it, so its perhaps little surprise to see that Chelsea are under similar scrutiny. And lets face it; they won the Champions League but you really couldn't say they showed they were a brilliant, swashbuckling side. They gained their success on the backbone of a solid defence and a shut up shop system. Even Mourinho wasn't Abramovic's cup of tea as he was too "negative"; di Matteo was at times much more negative than those days, so the owner could have seen it as a massive step back in progress. With such enormous sums of money at his disposal and such massive expectations, it must be a strange world that Abramovic lives in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 [h=2][/h] Bugger. Just as we settle down now NA will be off to replace Di Matteo Hope NC gets cash compensation. Don't let them palm Torres off onto us in lieu of cash Nicola Think of theoretical managerial swaps whatever happened to the Hughes/NA job swap you heard it here first affair ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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