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david in sweden

david in sweden

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No this is not meant to be a controversial thread, but only a quick analysis of results - so far. No-one has to mention our disasterous goals difference, but here are some other stats.to ponder over.

Even our worst critics have finally admitted that we had one he** of a fixture list to start the season with ...but I noted that Spurs have already played SEVEN of the teams that we have, and here is a quick comparison. Yes we lost 1-2 to them, but our 2nd half performance was certainly worth one point, and we weren't so much worse than them. But how did they fare with the other teams?

 

SAINTS .......Opposition...........SPURS

 

1-6 (a).............ARSENAL..............2-5 (a)

 

3-1 (a)................QPR..................2-1 (h)

 

2-3 (a)..............MAN.CITY............1-2 (a)

 

0-2 (a).................WBA................1-1 (h)

 

0-2 (h)...............WIGAN..............0-1 (h)

 

4-1 (h).............A. VILLA............. 2-0 (h)

 

2-3 (h)............MAN.UTD.............3-2 (a)

 

 

they also lost 1-2 to Newcastle.. but won away 3-1 at Reading. They have picked up a couple of wins that we haven't, but on the basis of the above results being 19th in the table doesn't feel

as though we are a million miles away from Spurs' performances to date. Are they really SO MUCH superior to us -(result wise).. and given the squad they have to choose from?

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david in sweden

david in sweden

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I'm sorry I really don't understand the last bit of your post? Are they really SO MUCH superior to us -(result wise).. and given the squad they have ?

 

Given the positions of the two teams, some people might say that we can't be compared to Spurs - I don't think they are as good as their league position shows, despite having lots more international talent in their squad..even if their defence is better.

dickyhale

dickyhale

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No The premiership table does not LIE

 

8 Tottenham 12 -1 17

Fulham 12 3 16

Swansea 12 2 16

Liverpool 12 1 15

Newcastle 12 -4 14

Norwich 12 -9 14

Stoke 11 -1 12

Sunderland 11 -2 12

Wigan 12 -9 11

Reading 11 -5 9

Aston Villa 12 -12 9

19 Southampton 12 -12 8

QPR 12 -14 4

Bearsy

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Given the positions of the two teams, some people might say that we can't be compared to Spurs - I don't think they are as good as their league position shows, despite having lots more international talent in their squad..even if their defence is better.

 

I'm not sure bout their manager tbh, but their squad is miles better. It ain't even close.

max_saints

max_saints

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given that they have 3 wins more than us, one of which was against us as you have mentioned, conceded less goals and have a better goal difference than us... I fail to see any stat which shows that they are not better than us.

Barry Sanchez

Barry Sanchez

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Our defence is ****e, there is no getting away from that fact, that may not be in the premiership table but its as sure as ****e true.

 

I was going to post both defences but I feel I really dont need to as after you have compared

Daniel Fox to Gareth Bale and Hugo Lloris/Brad Freidel to Kelvin Davies/Artur Brouc and Paulo Gazzaniga its impossible to go on without going red.

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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No The premiership table does not LIE

 

8 Tottenham 12 -1 17

Fulham 12 3 16

Swansea 12 2 16

Liverpool 12 1 15

Newcastle 12 -4 14

Norwich 12 -9 14

Stoke 11 -1 12

Sunderland 11 -2 12

Wigan 12 -9 11

Reading 11 -5 9

Aston Villa 12 -12 9

19 Southampton 12 -12 8

QPR 12 -14 4

 

Incorrect, it doesn't lie when the fixture list has been fulfilled.

Dig Dig

Dig Dig

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Haha - Im just mocking a poor thread. Spurs are miles better than us clearly. This Mongboard amazes me at times.

 

You have to respect davids agenda. He loves Saints and thinks we're better than Spurs.

Saint Charlie

Saint Charlie

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You have to respect davids agenda. He loves Saints and thinks we're better than Spurs.

 

I respect the lad's agenda. He is pro Saints with a wacky edge and sticks to it. Is the only agenda he knows and he has a good level of consistency about himself.

 

On this occasion he must have been eating some magic moong beans. Spurs are miles ahead of us (as all of us know).

St Lej

St Lej

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I think we are a better side than spurs tbh, the table is false at the moment as we've been well unlucky. They've had easier games and had the rub of the green from refs I expect. I fully expect us to go to WHL and win later in the season, I would also be amazed if we didn't finish above them at the seasons end.

 

We were better than England when we are in league 1, so anyone with half an ounce of football knowledge can deduce from this that, as a prem team, we are clearly way better than spurs

AussieDog

AussieDog

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Would be interesting for peoples views on a player by player basis for both teams "best" lineups - not that I expect anyone would actually agree on either team. I think it's obvious Bale is a class above everyone, and that they are superior in the goalkeeping department. I do think we are in a flase position - we have played the entire top 8 (I think) and that is one hell of an intro to the Premier League.

Dibden Purlieu Saint

Dibden Purlieu Saint

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Would be interesting for peoples views on a player by player basis for both teams "best" lineups - not that I expect anyone would actually agree on either team. I think it's obvious Bale is a class above everyone, and that they are superior in the goalkeeping department. I do think we are in a flase position - we have played the entire top 8 (I think) and that is one hell of an intro to the Premier League.

 

The whole back 5 for a start, then Huddlestone, Dembele, Bale, Sandro (or Parker), Lennon. Gaston may get a bit of playing time. Probably Adebayor but I would put Lambert and Defoe close.

The Kraken

The Kraken

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Would be interesting for peoples views on a player by player basis for both teams "best" lineups - not that I expect anyone would actually agree on either team. I think it's obvious Bale is a class above everyone, and that they are superior in the goalkeeping department. I do think we are in a flase position - we have played the entire top 8 (I think) and that is one hell of an intro to the Premier League.

 

We lose. In almost every single position. Jack Cork and Gaston Ramirez might add some competition to their first choice lineup.

tajjuk

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Just on those results they beat Utd at Old Trafford which is a way better result than losing at home to them. They were also a lot better than us against Arsenal, we were woeful, whereas spurs were unlucky, if Adebayor hadn't have been an idiot the result would have been different. They were giving Arsenal a good game with 10 men and should have got back to 4-3 if Bale had squared it to defoe.

 

They have a way better team than us, but they aren't great defensively. However with Bale and Lennon storming own the wings they will trouble anyone.

 

Our fixture list is what gives us hope, apart from losing to Wigan at home, we have doen ok. Everyone was down on our team about losing away to West Brom yet Chelsea just got done over there and West Brom are 4th.

 

- We have played 12 games.

 

- 9 of these games have been against the current top 10.

 

- 7 of our losses have been against the current top 8.

 

- 5 of the games against the top 8 have been away.

 

- If you take away the points earned by the top 10 against us they would still be the top 10.

 

- Our current record against the top 8 is played 7, lost 7, for 8, against 23.

 

- Against teams below 8th it's played 5, won 2, drawn 2, lost 1, for 10, against 7.

 

Barry Sanchez

Barry Sanchez

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Just on those results they beat Utd at Old Trafford which is a way better result than losing at home to them. They were also a lot better than us against Arsenal, we were woeful, whereas spurs were unlucky, if Adebayor hadn't have been an idiot the result would have been different. They were giving Arsenal a good game with 10 men and should have got back to 4-3 if Bale had squared it to defoe.

 

They have a way better team than us, but they aren't great defensively. However with Bale and Lennon storming own the wings they will trouble anyone.

 

Our fixture list is what gives us hope, apart from losing to Wigan at home, we have doen ok. Everyone was down on our team about losing away to West Brom yet Chelsea just got done over there and West Brom are 4th.

 

- We have played 12 games.

 

- 9 of these games have been against the current top 10.

 

- 7 of our losses have been against the current top 8.

 

- 5 of the games against the top 8 have been away.

 

- If you take away the points earned by the top 10 against us they would still be the top 10.

 

- Our current record against the top 8 is played 7, lost 7, for 8, against 23.

 

- Against teams below 8th it's played 5, won 2, drawn 2, lost 1, for 10, against 7.

 

 

You see thats all well and good but you are simply using numbers to create a smokescreen or a divertion, the numbers that concern me the most are 38 to 40 and will we get there.

yorkiesaint

yorkiesaint

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Yes david but in your 7 games:

 

spurs got 10 points, times by 5.4 (approx gives you the 38 games) and this gives 53 for the season- mid table, but probably should and will do better.

 

saints got 6 points, times by 5.4 and this gives 32 for the season- relegation form.

 

My point is that in the premier league these small differences are enough to sink a team, even if some of the results are the same. This is without considering that spurs won some of their other games and we did not.

VectisSaint

VectisSaint

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Jesus.

 

I'm waiting for someone to bring out the classic "I wouldn't swap any of our players for any of theirs"

I would swap many of our players for just one of theirs, as long as its Bale.

Wes Tender

Wes Tender

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Spurs are better than us currently, but the gap between us will narrow over the next 2 or 3 years. It wouldn't surprise me if AVB doesn't last out the season. There are already dark murmerings from Spurs fans I know who don't think that he's very good for them.

The9

The9

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No this is not meant to be a controversial thread, but only a quick analysis of results - so far. No-one has to mention our disasterous goals difference, but here are some other stats.to ponder over.

Even our worst critics have finally admitted that we had one he** of a fixture list to start the season with ...but I noted that Spurs have already played SEVEN of the teams that we have, and here is a quick comparison. Yes we lost 1-2 to them, but our 2nd half performance was certainly worth one point, and we weren't so much worse than them. But how did they fare with the other teams?

 

SAINTS .......Opposition...........SPURS

 

1-6 (a).............ARSENAL..............2-5 (a)

 

3-1 (a)................QPR..................2-1 (h)

 

2-3 (a)..............MAN.CITY............1-2 (a)

 

0-2 (a).................WBA................1-1 (h)

 

0-2 (h)...............WIGAN..............0-1 (h)

 

4-1 (h).............A. VILLA............. 2-0 (h)

 

2-3 (h)............MAN.UTD.............3-2 (a)

 

 

they also lost 1-2 to Newcastle.. but won away 3-1 at Reading. They have picked up a couple of wins that we haven't, but on the basis of the above results being 19th in the table doesn't feel

as though we are a million miles away from Spurs' performances to date. Are they really SO MUCH superior to us -(result wise).. and given the squad they have to choose from?

 

Judging by your selected matches, yes, they are 4 points better than us in comparable games. Interesting set of stats though, that and the "Saints fastest selling kit ever" nonsense proves that adage about "lies, damn lies..." quite nicely.

The9

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The whole back 5 for a start, then Huddlestone, Dembele, Bale, Sandro (or Parker), Lennon. Gaston may get a bit of playing time. Probably Adebayor but I would put Lambert and Defoe close.

 

But seriously...

The9

The9

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No The premiership table does not LIE

 

8 Tottenham 12 -1 17

Fulham 12 3 16

Swansea 12 2 16

Liverpool 12 1 15

Newcastle 12 -4 14

Norwich 12 -9 14

Stoke 11 -1 12

Sunderland 11 -2 12

Wigan 12 -9 11

Reading 11 -5 9

Aston Villa 12 -12 9

19 Southampton 12 -12 8

QPR 12 -14 4

 

You're missing the bit about there still being 26 matches to go. So it might not lie, but it certainly masks the end of season standings nicely - until the end of the season.

 

FWIW QPR, having just played us, have Man U next, and then the rest of the bottom 6. Whichever of us is still in the bottom 3 at Xmas is doomed. Until then, it's a bit more difficult to say. Meanwhile, Villa have got a run of top half sides coming up and are already in the bottom 3.

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