Viking Warrior Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Using animals and Pigs to practice surgery is not something new. And has been done across the globe. This training enabled surgeons to be able to carry out microneurosurgery and perfect people lifes over the years, and more recently in major trauma cases. many of the military surgeons are civilians who are part of local field hospitals that get deployed to afghan etc, The benefits of this training is immense, other wise many non conflict brain injury casualties would not have survived their injuries. Whilst the though of shooting a pig maybe barbaric to some. If my informationis correct the pigs will be annaethetised before they are shot. It used to be done at Porton some time back looking at the effect of blast injuries etc. I find the way the mass kill cattle etc in abbatoirs pretty nasty , also slitting the throats of animals to meet religious beliefs is far more horrendous than the strictly controlled process of providing pigs for surgery in Denmark I do not here the like of PETA moaning about the process of halal meat, Surgeiona practice regularly practiceneurosurgical techniques including the range of trauma craniotomies/craniectomies, EVD insertion on sheepheads etc Even Ophthalmologists perfected radial keratotomy on rabbits While it might seem unpalatable I would rather surgeons practice on real brain tissue than 4 g computer mannikins, if it means a child or an adult is to survive brain trauma how ever it is sustained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 It's good news for people. Bad news for pigs. Most of the readers of this site are people, so I suspect will be largely in favour of the practice. My gut reaction is to ask what gives human animals the right to use other animals in this way. I'm sure the answer is, well we can so we do. I can appreciate the argument that humans are top of a food chain and therefore eating other animals can be perceived as being natural and normal. But using animals like this for some perceived medical benefit, philosophically seems a bit 'out there' for me and exploitative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Are the pigs anaesthetized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Boar off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 The old man has a pig valve in his aorta, without it he would be either dead or on warfarin for the rest of his life. I did get a glare when I asked whether the donor was tasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 My cousin is serving as a doctor at a firebase on the front line in Afghanistan. I'm sure any wounded he has to try and keep alive until casevaced would appreciate any experience he has over and above normal hospital trauma treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 It's not easy being a pig is it, faced with the option of being using as surgery practice, I bet the ones being used for tattoo practice feel a bit less aggrieved now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 In 2002 the other half recieved some meds that were based on hamster parts (sorry Hampster).. Those meds have now moved on a step to a 100% synthetic med. the point I am making is that without the reletvly short period of animal based med the synthetic one would probobly never have been developed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 I want that pig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 20 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 November, 2012 Derry has your cousin been deployed previously to afghan / Iraq. I might have met him when he was doing pre-deployment medical training at Strensall a couple of years back if he did Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 No, first time, he might have been to the states but he was at Frimley. Another relation commanded a field ambulance at Catterick before the Falklands, after retirement was chief exec of the Staffordshire Ambulance Service until they merged and he retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 20 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 November, 2012 That would have been 24 fld Amb at Catterick I probably new your relation Derry . I didn't get deployed as I was an instructor /medic at winterbourne gunner at the time of the Falklands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 That would have been 24 fld Amb at Catterick I probably new your relation Derry . I didn't get deployed as I was an instructor /medic at winterbourne gunner at the time of the Falklands Lieutenant Colonel, christian name Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 It's not easy being a pig is it, faced with the option of being using as surgery practice, I bet the ones being used for tattoo practice feel a bit less aggrieved now! Has he got a bell by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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