military surgeons and pigs

[Viking Warrior]

Using animals and Pigs to practice surgery is not something new. And has been done across the globe.

 

This training enabled surgeons to be able to carry out microneurosurgery and perfect people lifes over the years, and more recently in major trauma cases. many of the military surgeons are civilians who are part of local field hospitals that get deployed to afghan etc, The benefits of this training is immense, other wise many non conflict brain injury casualties would not have survived their injuries. Whilst the though of shooting a pig maybe barbaric to some. If my informationis correct the pigs will be annaethetised before they are shot.

It used to be done at Porton some time back looking at the effect of blast injuries etc.

 

I find the way the mass kill cattle etc in abbatoirs pretty nasty , also slitting the throats of animals to meet religious beliefs is far more horrendous than the strictly controlled process of providing pigs for surgery in Denmark

I do not here the like of PETA moaning about the process of halal meat,

 

Surgeiona practice regularly practiceneurosurgical techniques including the range of trauma craniotomies/craniectomies, EVD insertion on sheepheads etc

 

Even Ophthalmologists perfected radial keratotomy on rabbits

 

While it might seem unpalatable I would rather surgeons practice on real brain tissue than 4 g computer mannikins, if it means a child or an adult is to survive brain trauma how ever it is sustained

[Manuel]

It's good news for people. Bad news for pigs. Most of the readers of this site are people, so I suspect will be largely in favour of the practice.

 

My gut reaction is to ask what gives human animals the right to use other animals in this way. I'm sure the answer is, well we can so we do. I can appreciate the argument that humans are top of a food chain and therefore eating other animals can be perceived as being natural and normal. But using animals like this for some perceived medical benefit, philosophically seems a bit 'out there' for me and exploitative.

[Jonnyboy]

Are the pigs anaesthetized?

[hamster]

Boar off.

[Saint137]

The old man has a pig valve in his aorta, without it he would be either dead or on warfarin for the rest of his life. I did get a glare when I asked whether the donor was tasty

[derry]

My cousin is serving as a doctor at a firebase on the front line in Afghanistan. I'm sure any wounded he has to try and keep alive until casevaced would appreciate any experience he has over and above normal hospital trauma treatment.

[Spudders]

It's not easy being a pig is it, faced with the option of being using as surgery practice, I bet the ones being used for tattoo practice feel a bit less aggrieved now!

[tony13579]

In 2002 the other half recieved some meds that were based on hamster parts (sorry Hampster)..

Those meds have now moved on a step to a 100% synthetic med.

the point I am making is that without the reletvly short period of animal based med the synthetic one would probobly never have been developed.

[Barry Sanchez]

I want that pig.

[Viking Warrior]

Derry

 

has your cousin been deployed previously to afghan / Iraq.

 

I might have met him when he was doing pre-deployment medical training at Strensall a couple of years back if he did

 

Regards

 

Mike

[derry]

No, first time, he might have been to the states but he was at Frimley. Another relation commanded a field ambulance at Catterick before the Falklands, after retirement was chief exec of the Staffordshire Ambulance Service until they merged and he retired.

[Viking Warrior]

That would have been 24 fld Amb at Catterick I probably new your relation Derry . I didn't get deployed as I was an instructor /medic at winterbourne gunner at the time of the Falklands

[derry]

That would have been 24 fld Amb at Catterick I probably new your relation Derry . I didn't get deployed as I was an instructor /medic at winterbourne gunner at the time of the Falklands

 

Lieutenant Colonel, christian name Roger.

[Ken Tone]

It's not easy being a pig is it, faced with the option of being using as surgery practice, I bet the ones being used for tattoo practice feel a bit less aggrieved now!

 

Has he got a bell by any chance?