for_heaven's_Saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Due to our 'evolution not revolution' transfer policy, I think a lot of people still think of our team as being built by Pardew and taken to another level by Adkins. In fact, Adkins' ability to pick and attract the best players is often thought of as inferior to Pardew's. However, on closer inspection, it is perhaps surprising to look at our team and see who was signed by who. Looking at our match day squad from Saturday, i was certainly surprised to see how many were Adkins signings: 12 Gazzaniga Adkins 02 Clyne Adkins 03 Yoshida Adkins 06 Fonte Pardew 23 Shaw Academy 04 Schneiderlin Already here 10 Ramirez Adkins 18 Cork Adkins 20 Lallana Academy 42 Puncheon Pardew 07 Lambert Pardew 01 K Davis Already here 05 Hooiveld Adkins 13 Fox Adkins 08 S Davis Adkins 16 Ward-Prowse Academy 09 Rodriguez Adkins 24 Mayuka Adkins Nevertheless, arguably our two best attackers of the game were signed by Pardew... Whose signings do you feel have been the best over the last 4 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I feel Pardew had a better percentage hit rate for his signings; most of them were a success. A less successful hit rate for Nige and Les Reed et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Adkins has signed a few more duds but has been here longer and been through more transfer windows. Fonte and Lambert both massive signings by Pardew. Adkins has done a good job in evolving the squad since league one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Adkins has signed a few more duds but has been here longer and been through more transfer windows. Fonte and Lambert both massive signings by Pardew. Adkins has done a good job in evolving the squad since league one. True, I guess it's telling that those 2 are still in the line up two leagues above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Pardew pretty much signed the spine of the team. Hammond, Fonte, Lambert. Those 3 were pivotal to where we are now, so you have to appreciate his picks there. But he also signed a few duds! Dickson, Seaborne and Mellis spring to mind. Adkins has done a fine job evolving the team around the spine though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Adkins signings have been very hit and miss. For ever + there is a - De ridder Forte N'Guessan Guly Fox Falque Lee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Adkins signings have been very hit and miss. For ever + there is a - De ridder Forte N'Guessan Guly Fox Falque Lee? Falque was only signed as a stop gap as Lallana was injured, but not as bad as the club first thought - so he wasn't actually needed in the end. N'Guessan was a similar signing iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Guly shouldnt be in the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Anyone with a list of Pardew signings that are not at the club anymore than?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Trotman and mellis were not really any good Forte was a complete waste of time. But then, his goals against MK Dons were worth the money. De ridder is poo Chaplow was great value really. Fox did a good job last year Cork is excellent... Hammond was also good Too early to judge this summers signings To silly to compare IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 (edited) Anyone with a list of Pardew signings that are not at the club anymore than?? Harding Jaidi (Retired) Hammond (Out on loan) Barnard (Out on loan) Jon Otsemobor David Connolly Michail Antonio (Loan expired) Papa Waigo N'Daiye (Loan Expired) Neil Trottman (Loan expired) Jacob Mellis (Loan Expired) Graeme Murty (Retired) Must be more then that.... Edited 18 November, 2012 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 We should have signed Antonio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 We should have signed Antonio. Lets not go there again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Harding Jaidi (Retired) Hammond (Out on loan) Barnard (Out on loan) Jon Otsemobor David Connolly Michail Antonio (Loan expired) Papa Waigo N'Daiye (Loan Expired) Neil Trottman (Loan expired) Jacob Mellis (Loan Expired) Must be more then that.... Graeme Murty and I think Jack Saville? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Graeme Murty and I think Jack Saville? Good shout on Murty. Saville joined before we went into administration I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Guly shouldnt be in the list Tut tut. You bit...... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Alan Pardew Signings Dan Harding, Graeme Murty, Rickie Lambert, Dean Hammond, Radhi Jaidi, David Connolly, Aaron Martin, Jose Fonte, Dan Seaborne, Jon Otsemobor, Lee Barnard, Jason Puncheon, Ryan Dickson, Frazer Richardson, Danny Butterfield, Harlee Dean. Alan Pardew Loans Jacob Mellis, Neal Trotman, Papa Waigo, Michail Antonio. Nigel Adkins Signings Richard Chaplow, Guly do Prado, Jonathan Forte, Jack Stephens, Jack Cork, Steve de Ridder, Danny Fox, Jos Hooiveld, Tadanari Lee, Billy Sharp, Jay Rodriguez, Steven Davis, Nathaniel Clyne, Paulo Gazzaniga, Emmanuel Mayuka, Maya Yoshida, Gaston Ramirez, Cody Cropper, Artur Boruc. Nigel Adkins Loans Nicholas Bignall, Dany N'guessan, James Shea, Dale Stephens, Iago Falque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Of the players still here, I think both Butterfield and Richardson were signed by Pardew just before he was sacked in the 2010 transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Adkins gets a bonus in the fact that he finally got rid of Four Past and Pullis the other one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 (edited) Alan Pardew Signings Dan Harding, Hit Graeme Murty, Meh Rickie Lambert, Hit Dean Hammond, Hit Radhi Jaidi, Hit David Connolly, Hit Aaron Martin, Meh Jose Fonte, Hit Dan Seaborne, Meh Jon Otsemobor, Meh Lee Barnard, Hit Jason Puncheon, Hit (Eventually) Ryan Dickson, Miss Frazer Richardson, Hit Danny Butterfield, Hit Harlee Dean. Miss Alan Pardew Loans Jacob Mellis, Meh Neal Trotman, Meh Papa Waigo, Hit Michail Antonio. Hit Nigel Adkins Signings Richard Chaplow, Hit Guly do Prado, Hit Jonathan Forte, Miss Jack Stephens, Meh Jack Cork, Hit Steve de Ridder, Miss Danny Fox, Hit Jos Hooiveld, Hit Tadanari Lee, Meh Billy Sharp, Hit Jay Rodriguez, Meh Steven Davis, Hit Nathaniel Clyne, Hit Paulo Gazzaniga, Hit Emmanuel Mayuka, Meh Maya Yoshida, Hit Gaston Ramirez, Hit Cody Cropper, Meh Artur Boruc. Meh Nigel Adkins Loans Nicholas Bignall, Miss Dany N'guessan, Meh (Had that goal against Charlton been allowed....) James Shea, Miss Dale Stephens, Meh Iago Falque. Miss Pardew: Hits: 12, Misses: 2, Mehs: 6 Adkins: Hits: 12, Misses: 5, Mehs: 7 Very few of the signings have been terrible. Pards seems to have had a better hit rate mind, but at the time pretty much anyone we signed would have improved the team, some were much more important then others though. His foundations were critical and Adkins has built on them well Edited 18 November, 2012 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Bit harsh to include the likes of Cropper, Dean, Stephens etc - all signed for the development squad, not first team signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Just how many of those players were actually signed by Adkins and Pardew though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Just how many of those players were actually signed by Adkins and Pardew though? Pardew will have been influential in signing most if not all of his signings; Les Reed arrived at the aclub well after most of Pardew's signings were made. You'd suggest that Guly was the first signing that came by way of committee rather than the manager. How many since have been manager/transfer committee, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Pardew will have been influential in signing most if not all of his signings; Les Reed arrived at the aclub well after most of Pardew's signings were made. You'd suggest that Guly was the first signing that came by way of committee rather than the manager. How many since have been manager/transfer committee, who knows. The Papa Waigo transfer was a bit out there though.... I would doubt that was solely on Pardew's recommendation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Guly was not an Adkins signing, he was signed towards the end of the transfer window when Pardew was still here and was on the bench for Pardews last game, away at Bristol Rovers. Rumour has it, Guly being signed without Pardews knowledge was another cause of a fallout with Cortese, just saying like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Guly was not an Adkins signing, he was signed towards the end of the transfer window when Pardew was still here and was on the bench for Pardews last game, away at Bristol Rovers. Rumour has it, Guly being signed without Pardews knowledge was another cause of a fallout with Cortese, just saying like. Where's your proof of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Guly was not an Adkins signing, he was signed towards the end of the transfer window when Pardew was still here and was on the bench for Pardews last game, away at Bristol Rovers. Rumour has it, Guly being signed without Pardews knowledge was another cause of a fallout with Cortese, just saying like. He was on loan while Pardew was here, signed permanently after NA took over! Interesting that neither manager seemed to want him or rate him..... Glad NC and NA had succesful "showdown" talks last week, i know 100% that Guly was nearly top of that discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Pardew done some great signings, but it's probably easier to find players good enough for League 1, especially when you've got a bigger budget than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Pardew done some great signings, but it's probably easier to find players good enough for League 1, especially when you've got a bigger budget than everyone else. And essentially a clean slate to work from... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Where's your proof of this? Bristol rovers 0 southampton 4 match report for the first part. Attention seeking mongboard posts for the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 The Papa Waigo transfer was a bit out there though.... I would doubt that was solely on Pardew's recommendation. Good point, forgot about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Pardew done some great signings, but it's probably easier to find players good enough for League 1, especially when you've got a bigger budget than everyone else. Many though went on to be mainstays in the Championship and 3 (or 4, if you include Frazer) are regular starters in the Prem, which when you add Lallana and Morgan (along with KD) who were already here is a decent percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I think it's hard to compare the most likely side to get promoted from league one and a favourite for relegation from the premier league. Pardew assembled a top half championship side in league one and did it very well. But Adkins added necessary grit to the class, with chaplow, cork, Hooidveld etc. What I do look at is the side that Pardew assembled at Newcastle and what Adkins has done at saints and there is no comparison. Yet how much of that is down to Newcastle exceptional scouting network? All I do know is that I would rather watch a Nigel Adkins side than a pardew side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Bristol rovers 0 southampton 4 match report for the first part. Attention seeking mongboard posts for the second. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8937004.stm He seemed to have a lot to say about his signing at the time. But maybe Pards was just a Cortese yes man as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8937004.stm He seemed to have a lot to say about his signing at the time. But maybe Pards was just a Cortese yes man as well. Can't see much there that suggests he was a target identified by Pardew, to be fair. Was it leftback on here (who clearly had direct links to the club) who claimed that the initial loan was just a ruse, and that Guly had been guaranteed a contract? In any case, Guly was signed permanantly by NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8937004.stm He seemed to have a lot to say about his signing at the time. But maybe Pards was just a Cortese yes man as well. Interesting he says 'We'd like to think' 'we're confident he'll make th switch' and 'we're taking a risk' and not 'I feel' like he did when we signed Lambert http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8193383.stm Clearly a 'committee' signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Shouldn't have said anything at all then if he was unhappy about it. Clearly another yes man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Shouldn't have said anything at all then if he was unhappy about it. Clearly another yes man. He only kept his job for another week so maybe he had too much to say for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 He only kept his job for another week so maybe he had too much to say for himself. Wouldn't have had to sign an NDA for a transfer committee signing a player he didn't want. If so, he should have maintained some pride and refused to sign anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Wouldn't have had to sign an NDA for a transfer committee signing a player he didn't want. If so, he should have maintained some pride and refused to sign anything. It's not for us to tell other people what they should and shouldn't do diggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 It's not for us to tell other people what they should and shouldn't do diggers. Just an opinion on how I would maintain my professional pride after being sacked for refusing to play a player I didn't want Turdish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Just an opinion on how I would maintain my professional pride after being sacked for refusing to play a player I didn't want Turdish It gets funnier everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I kniw right, you're always cracking up at that! Thought I'd throw it in for a little LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 I think it's hard to compare the most likely side to get promoted from league one and a favourite for relegation from the premier league. Pardew assembled a top half championship side in league one and did it very well. But Adkins added necessary grit to the class, with chaplow, cork, Hooidveld etc. What I do look at is the side that Pardew assembled at Newcastle and what Adkins has done at saints and there is no comparison. Yet how much of that is down to Newcastle exceptional scouting network? All I do know is that I would rather watch a Nigel Adkins side than a pardew side. Alan Carr's, yes the really annoying chatty man, old man plays a big part in their recruitment up at NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Good footballing pedigree the Carr family. Can we have pictures of the all players wives, as signed by Pardew and Adkins. Might tell us all we need to know. *runs for cover* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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