Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 (edited) Here's the other side of the story: "We din't know singing that was racist M'Lud. We never even heard of John Terry" Ever sung 'when I was just a little boy'? Did you know that song was originally sung by Celtic fans so has sectarian connects, by singing it you are promoting the IRA and also condoning murder, sexism, child abuse and not to mention parents forcing their own ideas on children taking away their freedom of thought and promoting the use of banned weapons and violence to resolve issues and challenges they may face. Edited 21 November, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Ever sung 'when I was just a little boy'? Did you know that song was originally sung by Celtic fans so has sectarian connects, by singing it you are promoting the IRA and also condoning murder, sexism, child abuse and not to mention parents forcing their own ideas on children taking away their freedom of thought and promising the use of banned weapons and violence to resolve issues and challenges they may face. It was actually first sung by Doris Day in it's original format. I get your point from a logical angle but not still far from convinced. Yeah, you could just put it down to ignorance, but that still doesn't mean it isn't offensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 It was actually first sung by Doris Day in it's original format. I get your point from a logical angle but not still far from convinced. Yeah' date=' you could just put it down to ignorance, but that still doesn't mean it isn't offensive[/quote'] A know deep south redneck, racist AND sectarian roots. It just gets worse. I'm offended by 'OWTSGMI' as a non catholic I find the promotion of Saints, a symbol of catholicism, deeply offensive. Anyone that sings it should be banned. No wonder we don't have many Muslim or hindu fans when they are subjected to these vulgar chanting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Mr whiter than White, living up to his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 A know deep south redneck, racist AND sectarian roots. It just gets worse. I'm offended by 'OWTSGMI' as a non catholic I find the promotion of Saints, a symbol of catholicism, deeply offensive. Anyone that sings it should be banned. No wonder we don't have many Muslim or hindu fans when they are subjected to these vulgar chanting. All very clever, but reminds me of the type of argument a schoolkid uses to get out of trouble. The song being sung at Ferdinand is obviously recognised by a large number of people as having racist connotations and for that reason alone, I would never sing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 All very clever' date=' but reminds me of the type of argument a schoolkid uses to get out of trouble. The song being sung at Ferdinand is obviously recognised by a large number of people as having racist connotations and for that reason alone, I would never sing it.[/quote'] A large number of here also didn't know of any alleged racist connotations, nor do they know if it was sung with any. Are to assume that some that sing OWatGMI is trying to offend Muslims or anyone that sings 'when I was just a little boy' wants to shoot anyone that does agree with thier view point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 A large number of here also didn't know of any alleged racist connotations, nor do they know if it was sung with any. Are to assume that some that sing OWatGMI is trying to offend Muslims or anyone that sings 'when I was just a little boy' wants to shoot anyone that does agree with thier view point? Been drinking? I can't understand what you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Been drinking? I can't understand what you are saying. Check the thread, a few on here didn't know of any racist connotations of the song. So is everyone that sings OWTSGMI guilty of deliberately offending Protestants or Muslims as they are singing. Pro catholic song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Check the thread, a few on here didn't know of any racist connotations of the song. So is everyone that sings OWTSGMI guilty of deliberately offending Protestants or Muslims as they are singing. Pro catholic song? A better question is now that they are aware it has racist connotations for a lot of people, would they continue to sing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 A better question is now that they are aware it has racist connotations for a lot of people' date=' would they continue to sing it?[/quote'] Only if people look for racism in it. They could be singing about anything, couldn't they? If someone sang 'you know what you are' to me I'd assume they meant a very successful ink and paper telesalesist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Only if people look for racism in it. They could be singing about anything, couldn't they? If someone sang 'you know what you are' to me I'd assume they meant a very successful ink and paper telesalesist. Not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse or you genuinely believe this. The point is that if it was sung to you, it wouldn't have a racist connotation. In the context of what happened between Ferdinand and JT and given that the song originated amongst Chelsea fans, a lot of people have interpreted it as racist. Therefore if you choose to sing it at Ferdinand, you now do so with the knowledge that it has a racist interpretation and your argument that it isn't racist is much weakened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse or you genuinely believe this. The point is that if it was sung to you' date=' it wouldn't have a racist connotation. In the context of what happened between Ferdinand and JT and given that the song originated amongst Chelsea fans, a lot of people have interpreted it as racist. Therefore if you choose to sing it at Ferdinand, you now do so with the knowledge that it has a racist interpretation and your argument that it isn't racist is much weakened.[/quote'] How do you know I'm not black? I could sing 'you know what you are' at Steven Taylor on Saturday meaning he's a poor defender, then do it at Anton Ferdiand meaning exactly the same thing, yet you're interpreting one as racist and one as not. In interest of consistancy with your assumptions, you think I'd really mean Steven Taylor is a honkey c*nt, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Only if people look for racism in it. They could be singing about anything, couldn't they? If someone sang 'you know what you are' to me I'd assume they meant a very successful ink and paper telesalesist. So the fact the song had never been sung before Chelsea sung it in an openly abusive way, the fact that the player at centre of everything is the same is just coincidence? You would agree that those involved have a case to answer at the very least? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 How do you know I'm not black? I could sing 'you know what you are' at Steven Taylor on Saturday meaning he's a poor defender, then do it at Anton Ferdiand meaning exactly the same thing, yet you're interpreting one as racist and one as not. In interest of consistancy with your assumptions, you think I'd really mean Steven Taylor is a honkey c*nt, no? I know you're not black because no black person would use the ludicrous arguments you are using. Yes, singing the song at Anton Ferdinand has racist connotations absolutely. And I bet if you met him face to face you wouldn't dare say that phrase to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 So the fact the song had never been sung before Chelsea sung it in an openly abusive way, the fact that the player at centre of everything is the same is just coincidence? You would agree that those involved have a case to answer at the very least? I think you should be in possession of all the information before making a judgement. I also think that as 'when I was just a little boys' and whilst we are on the subject the 'hello, hello' song both have sectarian connections. On this basis we should also say thwt anyone that sings this has a case to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I know you're not black because no black person would use the ludicrous arguments you are using. Yes' date=' singing the song at Anton Ferdinand has racist connotations absolutely. And I bet if you met him face to face you wouldn't dare say that phrase to him.[/quote'] I wouldn't sing it because it's a mongy song. You are just assuming it was meant as racist, like you are assuming I am not black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I think you should be in possession of all the information before making a judgement. I also think that as 'when I was just a little boys' and whilst we are on the subject the 'hello, hello' song both have sectarian connections. On this basis we should also say thwt anyone that sings this has a case to answer. So the Chelsea fans who started the chant may have meant in totally innocent way too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 So the Chelsea fans who started the chant may have meant in totally innocent way too? Possibly. Unless you are in Possesion of all the facts then you can't give a definite view as to what they meant or why they wwre singing it. Just like with the Saints court case, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 What a **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 What a **** Who are you talking to or about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Possibly. Unless you are in Possesion of all the facts then you can't give a definitely view. Just like with the Saints court case, yes? So Chelsea jumped the gun for denouncing the chant as "wholly inappropriate"? Kangaroo justice in your book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Who are you talking to or about? You know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 So Chelsea jumped the gun for denouncing the chant as "wholly inappropriate"? Kangaroo justice in your book? Chelsea have the right to denounce who they want when it occurs on their property, regardless of if we agree with it or not. What about you? Are you denouncing them based on hearing some media reports and one side of the story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 You know If I knew I wouldn't have asked. Prehaps you could post again, using the letters and only asterexing out one letter so everyone knows what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 All I saying is that people are jumping to be judgemental and assuming it was meant in a racist way when it was entirely possible it might not have been.First sang at Chelsea v QPR last season, lasted most of the game. Maybe it's ironic that he isn't very good, hey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 I think you should be in possession of all the information before making a judgement. I also think that as 'when I was just a little boys' and whilst we are on the subject the 'hello, hello' song both have sectarian connections. On this basis we should also say thwt anyone that sings this has a case to answer. Doris Day was a sectarian? I never knew that. Oh well, que sera sera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Doris Day was a sectarian? I never knew that. Oh well, que sera sera. On that basis there is definitely nothing wrong with the Anton Ferdinand song as the beech boys weren't racist. (probably) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 On that basis there is definitely nothing wrong with the Anton Ferdinand song as the beech boys weren't racist. (probably) Well they only liked girls from California so yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toe_punt Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Why do we have to have these constant pant wetting boring as f**k "racism" threads? Anton Ferdinand is an foul mouthed thug, so who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Why do we have to have these constant pant wetting boring as f**k "racism" threads? Anton Ferdinand is an foul mouthed thug, so who cares? Does he know about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Why do we have to have these constant pant wetting boring as f**k "racism" threads? Anton Ferdinand is an foul mouthed thug, so who cares? Because we have a forum full of self righteous, judgemental helmets that don't like anyone who does agree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Sorry if i am a bit slow here. Which part of telling him he is a ‘f**king black c**t’ is not racist? All of it? Some of it? None of it? In the old days you could just say they were "f...ing ni..ers" and nobody gave a **** until all this PC crap came along giving n***gers, je*s, ga*s, w**en and all them other subspecies rights like us rednecks. String em up on a saturday, bit of fun, thats all. OK, maybe i overranted in the last pararaph..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Sorry if i am a bit slow here. Which part of telling him he is a ‘f**king black c**t’ is not racist? All of it? Some of it? None of it? In the old days you could just say they were "f...ing ni..ers" and nobody gave a **** until all this PC crap came along giving n***gers, je*s, ga*s, w**en and all them other subspecies rights like us rednecks. String em up on a saturday, bit of fun, thats all. OK, maybe i overranted in the last pararaph..... Sorry, who has done this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Because we have a forum full of self righteous, judgemental helmets that don't like anyone who does agree with them. Glad to see you can do accurate self appraisement :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 It's not hilarious, because there's nothing clever or funny chanting something like that. But you seem to now be ok with people more or less saying 'You know you're a ****ing black ****, move on' as if he's at fault for being offended by it. Charming. I never said it was clever or funny. All i'm saying is it would be wrong to assume everyone singing it is racist. I'm sure some people meant it in the context of how over the top the whole saga was, not as a tool to abuse his skin colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 I never said it was clever or funny. All i'm saying is it would be wrong to assume everyone singing it is racist. I'm sure some people meant it in the context of how over the top the whole saga was, not as a tool to abuse his skin colour. I don't reckon them people was neccessarily racist, John Terry either for that matter. I still make them guilty of trying to mug off Ferdinand with sly racist abuses. They probably weren't doing it cos he's black tho, just cos he's opposition and in the public eye or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 The people singing the song may not have been directing it at him because of his skin colour, but because of his skin colour, people on here automatically assume the worst. That is discrimination in the first place. I don't look at a black person as black, just another human being. Some people on here throwing the race card around need to take a long hard look at their hypocritical selves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 You get that the song is a bit racist tho ain't it Charmin'? Anton Ferdinand, you know what you are (a black cvnt) is the inferences IMO. They may not have known about it or whatever i spose, it surprises me cos of the amount of coverage it got but there is people even posting on here who didn't know bout it, so I spose I'll let them off this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 The people singing the song may not have been directing it at him because of his skin colour, but because of his skin colour, people on here automatically assume the worst. That is discrimination in the first place. I don't look at a black person as black, just another human being. Some people on here throwing the race card around need to take a long hard look at their hypocritical selves. Indeed. And even if it was to do with race why are people assuming it was a negative thing? They might have been refering to the fact that he's part of a race which produces excellent athletes, inspirational presidents, superb singers and dancers and make a mean Jerk chicken. People assoicating being black with negative things need to have look in the mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 A know deep south redneck, racist AND sectarian roots. It just gets worse. I'm offended by 'OWTSGMI' as a non catholic I find the promotion of Saints, a symbol of catholicism, deeply offensive. Anyone that sings it should be banned. No wonder we don't have many Muslim or hindu fans when they are subjected to these vulgar chanting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_the_Saints_Go_Marching_In can't find one mention of catholics in there, but i'm sure u'll edit it shortly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Indeed. And even if it was to do with race why are people assuming it was a negative thing? They might have been refering to the fact that he's part of a race which produces excellent athletes, inspirational presidents, superb singers and dancers and make a mean Jerk chicken. People assoicating being black with negative things need to have look in the mirror. I agree with this. It's probably like when a person shouts at an asian or a black person to "**** OFF BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM", they are probably just asking them to return to their houses. Probably out of concern if it's getting dark out or about to rain I would imagine. Always good to see the good in people hey Turkish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_the_Saints_Go_Marching_In can't find one mention of catholics in there, but i'm sure u'll edit it shortly http://www.catholic.org/saints/ Saints are from the catholic religion. As a non catholic i am offended by this chant and i will be complaining to the police about it if i am subjected to it on sunday. i Certainly dont want to be in that number when the catholics go marching in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 I agree with this. It's probably like when a person shouts at an asian or a black person to "**** OFF BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM", they are probably just asking them to return to their houses. Probably out of concern if it's getting dark out or about to rain I would imagine. Always good to see the good in people hey Turkish? Maybe they are jealous and wishing they came from a tropical island with a wonderful climate in the carribean or a beauiful and histroical country like India which is home to one of the seven wonders of the world and full of incredible amounts of natural resources, rather than a wet and dreary island? Again, people can spin this to be negative but they could simply be wishing they could go to where they came from. Im not condoning their jealousy spinning out of control, but this is what it could mean, could it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Maybe they are jealous and wishing they came from a tropical island with a wonderful climate in the carribean or a beauiful and histroical country like India which is home to one of the seven wonders of the world and full of incredible amounts of natural resources, rather than a wet and dreary island? Again, people can spin this to be negative but they could simply be wishing they could go to where they came from. Im not condoning their jealousy spinning out of control, but this is what it could mean, could it? Yes. It could also be born out of frustration because some people don't tan well despite spending summer days strolling around with their shirts off whilst sinking back a few beers. All they can manage is a horrific sunburn and weeks of peeling. Maybe the sight of people with a more exotic origin brings forth this frustration and they would rather people weren't flaunting tans and dark skin so they are just asking them to return home for that reason? Jealously is an evil thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Maybe they are jealous and wishing they came from a tropical island with a wonderful climate in the carribean or a beauiful and histroical country like India which is home to one of the seven wonders of the world and full of incredible amounts of natural resources, rather than a wet and dreary island? Again, people can spin this to be negative but they could simply be wishing they could go to where they came from. Im not condoning their jealousy spinning out of control, but this is what it could mean, could it? How exactly could a black person interpret being shouted at "**** OFF BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM" as meaning that the person shouting is wishing they could go to where the black person "comes from". By the way, that black person most likely "comes from" Britain, so why do you interpret it as meaning Carribean or India? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsdan Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 Check the thread, a few on here didn't know of any racist connotations of the song. So is everyone that sings OWTSGMI guilty of deliberately offending Protestants or Muslims as they are singing. Pro catholic song? Just out of interest, how is a song (hymn) promoting Saints pro Catholic but anti-Protestant? Do the other Christian faiths not worship Saints or celebrate the feast days of Saints? Seems a little strange given that the origins of the club and hence the nickname are based around St Mary's which is an Anglican parish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsdan Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 http://www.catholic.org/saints/ Saints are from the catholic religion. As a non catholic i am offended by this chant and i will be complaining to the police about it if i am subjected to it on sunday. i Certainly dont want to be in that number when the catholics go marching in. Really? The Saints are representatives/symbols of Christian faith as a whole, not just Catholicism. Personally I find your (very) thinly veiled anti-Catholic sectarian rants on here wholly offensive and am quite surprised that you are allowed to get away with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 (edited) Really? The Saints are representatives/symbols of Christian faith as a whole, not just Catholicism. Personally I find your (very) thinly veiled anti-Catholic sectarian rants on here wholly offensive and am quite surprised that you are allowed to get away with them. Far from it. I'm just protecting and looking out for any muslims or sikh fans that might want to come to St Marys but are currently being put off by believing you have to be a catholic to come. I also dont see religions, race or colours, just people. Edited 22 November, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 How exactly could a black person interpret being shouted at "**** OFF BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM" as meaning that the person shouting is wishing they could go to where the black person "comes from". By the way' date=' that black person most likely "comes from" Britain, so why do you interpret it as meaning Carribean or India?[/quote'] It as merely a suggestion as to what they might have meant. It could equally have meant that the person shouting it wanted to go on safari, so wishes they could do a trip to the Serengeti. Or prehaps they were suggesting that the person should assist with civil unrest in their country, in the same way Didier Drogba did in the Ivory Coast, where he comes from. Or indeed it could just be warning to go back to their house or flat. It could mean anything, without all the evidence we cannot make a judgement, its disapointing so many are doing this and making it have negative connotations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 November, 2012 Share Posted 22 November, 2012 And people still bite. F*ck me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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