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Great result and the contrast in backing in their managers from both sets of fans was clear from the start. For whoever asked Gazzas high fives to the crowd came after the first goal. Everyone was superb today apart from Ramirez and gazza at times. Inspired sub Davis for Ramirez as he offers nothing when out of possession and was sloppy with it today. Davis changed it for us second half. Gazza tries to catch a lot when he should parry but noticed his kicking was good today learning from his error. Puncheon was awesome and should have scored more, but a special mention to yoshida who read the game and defended excellently today. Shaw is the real deal and Lambert won so many headers with the defence on his back without even jumping. Great performance and result. Keep it up.

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Inspired sub Davis for Ramirez as he offers nothing when out of possession and was sloppy with it today.

 

Hi Fact Fans!

 

Ramirez gave the ball away less times than any other player in the starting XI. He had 89% pass completion, only bettered by Punch (91%).

 

I've got this football stats thing on the iphones. You should get it, it's very interesting/sad.

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Hi Fact Fans!

 

Ramirez gave the ball away less times than any other player in the starting XI. He had 89% pass completion, only bettered by Punch (91%).

 

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Try looking at his dispossessed and turn over stats, pass completion means little or nothing in terms of giving the ball away.

I don't know what they are for yesterday's game though.

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VectisSaint

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Inspired sub Davis for Ramirez as he offers nothing when out of possession and was sloppy with it today

Au contraire, he offers a great deal when out of possession. I'll grant he can be sloppy, certainly was against Swansea, but I think I can only recall one similar sloppy pass yesterday. It was a good sub, Ramirez was probably not fully fit after a midweek half game in Poland, and we needed to shore it up in the middle, would have been a very simple decision for NA to make as we were 2-1 up at the time.

Gazza however is a disaster waiting to happen. We are very fortunate that our much maligned defence is actually protecting the lad superbly, and he has probably not had more than 5 saves to make in the last 3 games. I do hope Boruc is ready to take over, and for those who say he is fat, if you compare him to Cesar yesterday then he is anorexic. I think Julio has been scoffing the doggy food or something, a tub of lard in a goalkeepers kit (still shows why he was probably the best keeper in the world a few years ago though).

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I think the 4-2-3-1 formation we're playing (with the right players in the right positions) means that there is not quite as much reliance on Lallana and Puncheon to defend all of the time' date=' because Cork and Schniederlin push across to help the fullbacks.[/quote']

 

 

I don't think we are playing that formation at all. It's 4-4-1-1 IMO or maybe even 4-4-2 as Ramirez is so far forward. Lallana and Puncheon are not playing as attackers or wingers they are playing as regular left and right midfielders providing more cover for the fullbacks than they have been in earlier games. This very subtle change has had a significant effect on us defensively.

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Try looking at his dispossessed and turn over stats, pass completion means little or nothing in terms of giving the ball away.

I don't know what they are for yesterday's game though.

 

That's fair Windows. Is that the one where where he's trying to take someone on and gets mugged off? That happened 4 times.

 

I did think he was good at picking out progressive passes tho.

 

The other datas I like is that Lallana and Punch made as many passes in the final third as the entire QPR team put together.

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Hi Fact Fans!

 

Ramirez gave the ball away less times than any other player in the starting XI. He had 89% pass completion, only bettered by Punch (91%).

 

I've got this football stats thing on the iphones. You should get it, it's very interesting/sad.

 

What is is the 4-4-2 Stats Zone app ? had that for a while and its awesome (when we win), always interesting to see how we are passing and who retains possession.

 

Lallana to Shaw was the highest pass combination with 18 passes, 2nd highest was Shaw to Lallana with 15 !!!! - Seem like they click then the next 4 highest are QPR players.

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No negatives after such a great performance, that can wait until it's required. No exceptions, the whole team did a job with Cork showing us where our Samba football went. Using that as a platform, we can now compete in this division and rather us have to worry about the opposition all the time, the shoe is on the other foot for the moment. Don't get me wrong, QPR are not the strongest out there but we have already played worse. Just a pity we waited until now to show what we could do. Special praise to the full backs who got the combination of attack and defend off to a good balance. Shaw just does not have it in him to do more than he is doing now, just such a young age we are going to have to give him a months break to get the best from him. The c/b's played well mainly because the backs were doing their job and the midfield covered. The forwards all created enough space for each other by combining the pass and move.

 

And just wait until we get a fit Ramirez on that pitch!

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I don't think we are playing that formation at all. It's 4-4-1-1 IMO or maybe even 4-4-2 as Ramirez is so far forward. Lallana and Puncheon are not playing as attackers or wingers they are playing as regular left and right midfielders providing more cover for the fullbacks than they have been in earlier games. This very subtle change has had a significant effect on us defensively.

 

Looks that way to me. Lallana was much improved defensively and Puncheon did a decent double team with Clyne.

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I know its tedious, but we need to not forget it was QPR - by far the worst team in the division.

 

Easy to say that now but I thought their policy of signing experienced prem players and having an experienced prem manager was what so many on here wanted.

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Great performance when we needed it, it would have been 5 or 6 without a good performance from their keeper.

 

Cork was outstanding. For a bloke whose been out for a while, he's turned in 2 fantastic performances. Puncheon played the best game I've seen for us and Shaw was a real star. Hats off to Fox who gets a lot of stick on here, but's come off the bench twice to give professional performances when the young lad's tired.

 

I was dissapointed with Ramirez. Flatered to deceive, floated about looking quite classy, but delivered little. I felt Taarabt looked more like a £12mil player than he did. The occasion that he seemed to have got the better of Ferdinand, only to appear to give up, would have received howls of rage had it been Guly. Watching Jack Cork run his heart out means I have little time for the "he's not match fit" arguement.

 

Defensively, dissapointed with the goal. Cross was allowed far too easily, Lallana lost his man and The Keeper was caught in no mans land. If we defend crosses like that against Hollilet what we gonna do against Stoke.

 

All in all though a really positive result, and a truley memorable performance for such a pressured game. We really need to push on and win our next 2 games. That'll be 4 unbeaten and these are very winnable games.Personally I would bring Boruc back in but keep the same outfield 10.

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Great performance when we needed it, it would have been 5 or 6 without a good performance from their keeper.

 

Cork was outstanding. For a bloke whose been out for a while, he's turned in 2 fantastic performances. Puncheon played the best game I've seen for us and Shaw was a real star. Hats off to Fox who gets a lot of stick on here, but's come off the bench twice to give professional performances when the young lad's tired.

 

I was dissapointed with Ramirez. Flatered to deceive, floated about looking quite classy, but delivered little. I felt Taarabt looked more like a £12mil player than he did. The occasion that he seemed to have got the better of Ferdinand, only to appear to give up, would have received howls of rage had it been Guly. Watching Jack Cork run his heart out means I have little time for the "he's not match fit" arguement.

 

Defensively, dissapointed with the goal. Cross was allowed far too easily, Lallana lost his man and The Keeper was caught in no mans land. If we defend crosses like that against Hollilet what we gonna do against Stoke.

 

All in all though a really positive result, and a truley memorable performance for such a pressured game. We really need to push on and win our next 2 games. That'll be 4 unbeaten and these are very winnable games.Personally I would bring Boruc back in but keep the same outfield 10.

 

Doubt if 12 million would get you Taraabt actually. More like 15/20 m£

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It is amazing how bad QPR are. Lot of big name players in that squad, I bet their wage bill is ridiculous.

 

Just talking about them (again) on Talksport, reckon QPR's wagebill is 150% of turnover. Not surprising when you think who they've signed, who's on the bench (Georgie Bingham went Rob Green's sat on the bench on £50k a week, and Ray Parlour said no it's much more than that), and who's out on loan.

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Even the manager is implying that the team cannot get carried away due to the is result, Hamilton and Toadhall.

 

Why dont you give it a rest with the snideyness, its just as tedious.

 

It was a great result, and a vastly improved performance. But it was QPR. Next week is literally as well as metaphorically another ball game. We could well go back to making stupid defensive errors when playing a team that actually put under pressure.

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Even the manager is implying that the team cannot get carried away due to the is result, Hamilton and Toadhall.

 

Why dont you give it a rest with the snideyness, its just as tedious.

 

It was a great result, and a vastly improved performance. But it was QPR. Next week is literally as well as metaphorically another ball game. We could well go back to making stupid defensive errors when playing a team that actually put under pressure.

 

Now that you have outlined your agenda on the other thread I do find your pots more understandable and tolerable. Maybe those who slate you should read it.

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Only a real idiot would pay that much for Taarabt. Has a dreadful attitude and he is surely one of the most selfish players to grace the PL. It's a shame as he's a talented player.

 

The Qataris that own PSG wanted Taraabt at all costs but Leonardo who actually runs the club only offered QPR 6 million for him. QPR wanted about 15 million and said no dice. Caused a bit of animosity between the owners and Leonardo and ever since they've been paying over the odds for average players.They've spent about 300 million so far and still got knobbed by a Rennes side down to 9 men yesterday. So there are plenty of "idiots" about and QPR will just wait for another to come along. I presume Taraabt will be off to the ANC in January anyway.

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It is amazing how bad QPR are. Lot of big name players in that squad, I bet their wage bill is ridiculous.

Their problem is not so much "big names" as "big egos". There are a lot of individualists in their team, really don't see that many of them are really that good, except in their own imaginations. Hughes has a major problem trying to organise a cohesive team from a disparate bunch of has beens, journeymen and high-earning self-styled superstars. As Sky said on many occassions last night, the difference between them and us is team spirit, Saints, together as one, Rangers, every man for himself and bring on the next pay day. Their so-called talented squad included not one player on international duty this week, says a great deal for a PL club.

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Even the manager is implying that the team cannot get carried away due to the is result, Hamilton and Toadhall.

 

Why dont you give it a rest with the snideyness, its just as tedious.

 

It was a great result, and a vastly improved performance. But it was QPR. Next week is literally as well as metaphorically another ball game. We could well go back to making stupid defensive errors when playing a team that actually put under pressure.

 

Alps. I respect your point of view, but I don't think anyone is getting carried away, just happy and relieved. Can you ever be happy?

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Great performance when we needed it, it would have been 5 or 6 without a good performance from their keeper.

 

Cork was outstanding. For a bloke whose been out for a while, he's turned in 2 fantastic performances. Puncheon played the best game I've seen for us and Shaw was a real star. Hats off to Fox who gets a lot of stick on here, but's come off the bench twice to give professional performances when the young lad's tired.

 

I was dissapointed with Ramirez. Flatered to deceive, floated about looking quite classy, but delivered little. I felt Taarabt looked more like a £12mil player than he did. The occasion that he seemed to have got the better of Ferdinand, only to appear to give up, would have received howls of rage had it been Guly. Watching Jack Cork run his heart out means I have little time for the "he's not match fit" arguement.

 

Defensively, dissapointed with the goal. Cross was allowed far too easily, Lallana lost his man and The Keeper was caught in no mans land. If we defend crosses like that against Hollilet what we gonna do against Stoke.

 

All in all though a really positive result, and a truley memorable performance for such a pressured game. We really need to push on and win our next 2 games. That'll be 4 unbeaten and these are very winnable games.Personally I would bring Boruc back in but keep the same outfield 10.

 

 

I think very harsh on Ramirez, he was an option to pass to pretty mcuh everywhere. At the start of the game he was maybe trying to do a little too much but once he got in and around Lallana/Lambert their link up play and one touch passing was excellent. Don't forget the first goal from the corner essentially resulted from Ramirez's very intelligent pass in the box, a lot of other players in that situation would have just smashed it, instead he calmy rolled it back to a free player, who's scuffed shot eventually led to the goal.

 

Remember he's not going to be that fit, he's had what 3 games since coming back from 6 weeks out and travelled all the way to poland and back midweek (which Cork didn't). Yeh he doesn't do much defensively but if he's playing just behind Lambert in that 4-4-1-1 formation we don't need him to do much defensively, just let him roam about and do his stuff. He looks far more a team player than Tarrabt does and he's only played 6 games for us.

 

Have to say the back four was excellent, particularly Yoshida, some crucial interceptions and some intelligent defending.

 

Cork was quality, Puncheon was the best I have seen him and Lambert looked closer to his dominant self than he has been in recent weeks, the goal will massively lift his confidence.

 

The negatives:-

 

- The goal conceded was sloppy, second half switch off? no one closed the cross down, Lallana let Hoillet go free (he stopped running for some reason when he was with him) and well poor decision from Gazza.

 

- We are over working it at times, need to have a few more shots.

 

- Gazza, simply needs to go. He looks nervous, his handling is poor and he is making the wrong decisions. Boruc needs to come in. Whilst I agree that maybe the younger fitter, agile Gazza potentially might pull of some wonder saves moe than Boruc, that's pointless if you f*ck up the basics. the best keepers to the simple things well, make good decisions and make few errors. I think the experience of Boruc is a better option and we might actually get that elusive clean sheet.

 

I also think some more positives come from other results over the weekend, look how Villa got hammered at City, look at Chelsea getting beaten at West Brom, maybe puts our performances in perspective a bit. Also Newcastle look very average and are missing key players, next week at home is very winnable.

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