badgerx16 Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Great post Halo, thank you. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Wow, thought I was in Berlin in 1936 for a moment.... No, you're in Austria, Hitler's homeland, in 2012. Because you couldn't hack it in Hampshire for more than two weeks x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Anonymous have just released a list of 5000 Israeli officials to go with the 650+ Israeli websites that have been hacked. I did rofl at the "Israel - all your base are belong to us" tweet Rofl'ing aside, things seem to be intensifying.... and btw, Halo, incredible post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Thank you *Halo* for such an excellent summary of the situation. You do have to wonder why our media channels always choose to show interviews with Israeli officials talking about the terrorist threat from Gaza and their right to defend themselves, yet we never get to hear the Palestinian side of it. I mean, it couldn't possibly be due to the heavy Jewish influence in global, and particularly American media corporations, could it? I watched Sunday morning live this morning or whatever it is called and some actress from easteders was heavily defending Palestine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I see everyone favourite man, Obama has come out and backed Israel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Just thought I'd mention I saw this thread. And there is NO way I am leaving a comment on it for many many reasons, most of which stem from the don't get me started position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 It's such a huge mess. You'd have thought the Israelis would have learnt by now that even with all their airstrikes, military incursions and their routine violations of international law their not only not stopping the Palestinian rockets but the rockets are getting more advanced and more plentiful. They still don't seem to get that killing 10 militants breeds 20 more. You put a fire out with water, not petrol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I see everyone favourite man, Obama has come out and backed Israel http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/17/israel-gaza-us-policy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 2 Israeli apaches downed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Anti-Semitism - alive-and-well on Saintsweb, 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Anti-Semitism - alive-and-well on Saintsweb, 2012. I don't see any anti-semitism? :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Anti-Semitism - alive-and-well on Saintsweb, 2012. Rubbish, frankly. I'm pro Palestinian on this one, but I'm also a friend of a family with a 2 year old and expecting another and currently sheltering underground in Tel Aviv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I don't see any anti-semitism? :-/ i agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Anti-Semitism - alive-and-well on Saintsweb, 2012. When you understand what that actually means, get back to us. I'd expect it to be a while. You've got some reading to do on submarines first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I watched Sunday morning live this morning or whatever it is called and some actress from easteders was heavily defending Palestine. This is exactly the sort of brilliant, accurate commentary I visit this site for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 "Jewish controlled media". Yep, same stupid paranoid anti-Semitism that dogged Germany in the 30s Especially ridiculous considering how biased the BBC is towards the Palestinians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 "Jewish controlled media". Yep, same stupid paranoid anti-Semitism that dogged Germany in the 30s Especially ridiculous considering how biased the BBC is towards the Palestinians. Perhaps you'd like to demonstrate some evidence to the contrary then, Alps. Good luck with that. As for it being the same as in the 1930s, what a load of sh!t that is. It's actually the complete opposite. The Palestinians are the ones living in ghettos, and there is a marked difference between being anti-Semitic ( a completely inaccurate term, btw ) and anti-Zionist. I'll happily sign up to the latter. You don't know the difference between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 "Jewish controlled media". Yep, same stupid paranoid anti-Semitism that dogged Germany in the 30s Especially ridiculous considering how biased the BBC is towards the Palestinians. Read the facts in Halo post and kindly refer me to the BBC reports. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Perhaps you'd like to demonstrate some evidence to the contrary then, Alps. Good luck with that. As for it being the same as in the 1930s, what a load of sh!t that is. It's actually the complete opposite. The Palestinians are the ones living in ghettos, and there is a marked difference between being anti-Semitic ( a completely inaccurate term, btw ) and anti-Zionist. I'll happily sign up to the latter. You don't know the difference between the two. I dont see the relevance of who is living in ghettos or not. All I see here is the classic paranoid/disingenuous public-opinion-control-through-the media-by-scheming-money-grabbing-power-hungry-Jews accusation being made, as was favoured by the Nazis to turn public opinion against Jews in the 30s in Germany. Public-opinion-control-through-the media-by-arrogant-self-opinionated-Trotskyites/bleeding-heart-liberals is not an issue, of course. Hence the staunch defence of that moral cess-pit that is the BBC in these parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Read the facts in Halo post and kindly refer me to the BBC reports. Thanks. "facts" ? Interesting. All I see is a lot of coincidences assembled to fit an agenda. And some serious fawning by the flock thereafter. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 "facts" ? Interesting. All I see is a lot of coincidences assembled to fit an agenda. And some serious fawning by the flock thereafter. HTH. Killing disabled men, kids playing football, opening fire on a funeral gathering in another country. Wtf are you referring to when you spout "agenda"? You think that's acceptable conduct by Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I dont see the relevance of who is living in ghettos or not. All I see here is the classic paranoid/disingenuous public-opinion-control-through-the media-by-scheming-money-grabbing-power-hungry-Jews accusation being made, as was favoured by the Nazis to turn public opinion against Jews in the 30s in Germany. Public-opinion-control-through-the media-by-arrogant-self-opinionated-Trotskyites/bleeding-heart-liberals is not an issue, of course. Hence the staunch defence of that moral cess-pit that is the BBC in these parts. Funny how different people see things, isn't it? See here I was, thinking that the Arabs had taken the place of the Jews in public enemy number one stakes. Your opinion is invalid unless you can prove that adherents of the Jewish faith aren't proportionally over-represented in the media, which you can't, because they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 This is exactly the sort of brilliant, accurate commentary I visit this site for. There were also a load of randomers waving Palestinian flags in my face outside West Quay yesterday. TBH it made me want to support Israel because I was only trying to do a bit of christmas shopping and have a Bratwurst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 "facts" ? Interesting. All I see is a lot of coincidences assembled to fit an agenda. And some serious fawning by the flock thereafter. HTH. How does the fact that the matters I was referring to were not widely reported in western media (if at all) suggest that there is a pro Palestinian media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Warning, a little graphic. Well, too graphic tbh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YhJwdLi5wfw I guess this acceptable, eh Alps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 There were also a load of randomers waving Palestinian flags in my face outside West Quay yesterday. TBH it made me want to support Israel because I was only trying to do a bit of christmas shopping and have a Bratwurst. That is exactly the sort of in-depth, personal and profound experience I was looking for, mate. Thank you. It gladdens the soul to know that in the midst of this disproportionate murder, bratwurst is an influencing factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Warning, a little graphic. Well, too graphic tbh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YhJwdLi5wfw I guess this acceptable, eh Alps. It's a f**king disgrace. And 80% of the crap I see on my feeds is sh!t about the X-Factor. Welcome to Airstrip One, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 It's a f**king disgrace. And 80% of the crap I see on my feeds is sh!t about the X-Factor. Welcome to Airstrip One, people. Yup. Me too. And that, once again, is down to the media in essence. Then again, welcome to the western world. Self-absorbed first-world problem bullsh1t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 That is exactly the sort of in-depth, personal and profound experience I was looking for, mate. Thank you. It gladdens the soul to know that in the midst of this disproportionate murder, bratwurst is an influencing factor. It's the primary factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 It's the primary factor. I think you should probably post on a thread you understand. I know that ubiquity rests high on your list of priorities, but in this case, it's genuinely doing you a disservice. Take a look at Crab Lungs' link and ask yourself:- are you really adding anything to this debate apart from your own obvious indifference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I think you should probably post on a thread you understand. I know that ubiquity rests high on your list of priorities, but in this case, it's genuinely doing you a disservice. Take a look at Crab Lungs' link and ask yourself:- are you really adding anything to this debate apart from your own obvious indifference? I think both sides have done a lot of damage Tbh. I don't come down on either side, because as far as I can see both have done things wrong. It's sad that both of them fire things at each other and kill each other. Not sure what the people in town were trying to achieve though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Tweeted by Anon: 'Won't be long before Israeli central infrastructure and military comm. are targeted.' I have to say, I don't know what powers anonymous have other than disrupting websites and "outing" people so this will be an interesting development to watch. I wonder how far they can go? Make no mistake though, I wouldn't want to be p1ssing off Mossad too much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Killing disabled men, kids playing football, opening fire on a funeral gathering in another country. Wtf are you referring to when you spout "agenda"? You think that's acceptable conduct by Israel? About as acceptable as firing rockets into Israel from built-up civilian areas then parading the innocent casualties in the international media (hang on its full of Jews, how did those pictures make it out and get published ??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 There were also a load of randomers waving Palestinian flags in my face outside West Quay yesterday. TBH it made me want to support Israel because I was only trying to do a bit of christmas shopping and have a Bratwurst. Oh, has the Xmas market started ? Bit early, ours dont start until first of Advent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I think you should probably post on a thread you understand. I know that ubiquity rests high on your list of priorities, but in this case, it's genuinely doing you a disservice. Take a look at Crab Lungs' link and ask yourself:- are you really adding anything to this debate apart from your own obvious indifference? The supreme arrogance of this post utterly defies belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Tweeted by Anon: 'Won't be long before Israeli central infrastructure and military comm. are targeted.' I have to say, I don't know what powers anonymous have other than disrupting websites and "outing" people so this will be an interesting development to watch. I wonder how far they can go? Make no mistake though, I wouldn't want to be p1ssing off Mossad too much... To late for that most of the posters on this thread are on Mossad's list now...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 I think both sides have done a lot of damage Tbh. I don't come down on either side, because as far as I can see both have done things wrong. It's sad that both of them fire things at each other and kill each other. Not sure what the people in town were trying to achieve though. While I like to see shades of grey in stuff hypo, difficult to do that here. You speak as if this is an equitable conflict. It is not. Israel has the full support of the US, the UK and several of the more corrupt Arab states. It also has a country and representation in the UN. The Palestinians have got nothing in terms of "official" support. Sure, you've got the likes of Iran funding Hamas etc, but that's just more violence. Barring a multi-state solution, which is far more than the Israelis deserve, there is no light at the end of the tunnel for Palestinians. Personally, I'm always inclined to side with those being oppressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 The supreme arrogance of this post utterly defies belief. Although my post did actually suggest that I didn't know a lot about it so he is a bit correct even if he did sound patronising. It's not that I don't care, it's more that I can see both sides of this and there isn't a lot I can do about it despite thinking it is a sad situation. Yes I got some shopping in early because I hate the crowds. I still don't see the point in demonstrating outside West Quay though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Btw I see alpine is sort of being friendly towards me in this thread. I don't think he has seen my submarine post yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 The supreme arrogance of this post utterly defies belief. Hypo's already planted himself half in my camp on this one. There is a time to discuss bratwurst and West Quay shopping. This is not that time, or that thread, and I genuinely think the accusations of indifference were justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 While I like to see shades of grey in stuff hypo, difficult to do that here. You speak as if this is an equitable conflict. It is not. Israel has the full support of the US, the UK and several of the more corrupt Arab states. It also has a country and representation in the UN. The Palestinians have got nothing in terms of "official" support. Sure, you've got the likes of Iran funding Hamas etc, but that's just more violence. Barring a multi-state solution, which is far more than the Israelis deserve, there is no light at the end of the tunnel for Palestinians. Personally, I'm always inclined to side with those being oppressed. Yep sod those surrounded when there has been at least 3 serious attempts to wipe them off the map in the past 50 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Hypo's already planted himself half in my camp on this one. There is a time to discuss bratwurst and West Quay shopping. This is not that time, or that thread, and I genuinely think the accusations of indifference were justified. Who decided you judge what is appropriate to discuss or not ? Personally, I am grateful to Hypo for telling me the German market is already open in Soton, notwithstanding submarine comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Hypo's already planted himself half in my camp on this one. There is a time to discuss bratwurst and West Quay shopping. This is not that time, or that thread, and I genuinely think the accusations of indifference were justified. It was just a joke but actually there is a serious underlying point since I still fail to see the point of highlighting this issue by campaigning outside of West Quay in front of shoppers who were completely indifferent. Surely there are more effective ways to get your point across? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Yep sod those surrounded when there has been at least 3 serious attempts to wipe them off the map in the past 50 years. Which means absolutely nothing, because they were not supposed to be there. As a matter of interest, how long do you think a proposed Jewish state would have lasted if they'd decided to set up in the UK, and not Israel? For whatever reason, prior to World War 2, the Jewish civilisation was unable to hold on its homeland, unable to exist in any other form apart from a diaspora. Why then, should this nation that couldn't exist on its own terms, be given land that it hasn't been in possession of for centuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 It was just a joke but actually there is a serious underlying point since I still fail to see the point of highlighting this issue by campaigning outside of West Quay in front of shoppers who were completely indifferent. Surely there are more effective ways to get your point across? That's what I always thought. I was completely oblivious, if truth be told, to the seriousness of the situation for a long, long time. However, the media is IMO biased in this country. The don't show what's going on or tell a balanced story. It's up to people who care enough to make others aware. The sad thing is though is that people would rather stuff it to the back of their minds and fill that void with X-Factor, Coronation Street or Take Me Out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Who decided you judge what is appropriate to discuss or not ? Personally, I am grateful to Hypo for telling me the German market is already open in Soton, notwithstanding submarine comments. Why would you be grateful for knowing a German market exists in Southampton anyway? For starters, actual German markets are a lot closer. Also, do you think you could even make the trip? You lasted a fortnight last time. Diminishing returns and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Why would you be grateful for knowing a German market exists in Southampton anyway? For starters, actual German markets are a lot closer. Also, do you think you could even make the trip? You lasted a fortnight last time. Diminishing returns and all that. I really am wondering what your objective is by repeating this in every thread ad nauseam... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 Which means absolutely nothing, because they were not supposed to be there. What utter, utter, b*ll*cks. They have as much right to that land as the Palestinians. But thanks for revealing your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 That's what I always thought. I was completely oblivious, if truth be told, to the seriousness of the situation for a long, long time. However, the media is IMO biased in this country. The don't show what's going on or tell a balanced story. It's up to people who care enough to make others aware. The sad thing is though is that people would rather stuff it to the back of their minds and fill that void with X-Factor, Coronation Street or Take Me Out. This is funny. And not because I think they arent biased. I am assuming you think non-bias is the BBC allowing Hamas spokesmen scream "Death to Israel" on camera ever news bulletin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 18 November, 2012 Share Posted 18 November, 2012 This is funny. In which case, you'll probably enjoy the video link I posted above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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