Window Cleaner Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 There are portions of the money that are paid out in stages during the season, but as the bulk of the money is determined upon how many times you're shown on TV and where you finish in the league, most of it isn't paid until the summer. The Premier League prize money pot is split in the following ways: DOMESTIC RIGHTS DEALS (Sky, ESPN, BBC, TalkSport) 50% of the pot shared equally between the 20 member clubs. For last season and this, that's £13.8m each. 25% of the pot distributed on a weighted basis depending on the number of times a team is featured in a televised game. Last season was actually the most lop-sided in terms of the bigger clubs being shown more often than ever before. From Everton in 7th all the way down the league, every club was only shown either 10 or 11 times live, with the exception of Liverpool in 8th (23 times!) and QPR in 17th (14 times). Each match is worth £585,000. 25% of the pot distributed on a weighted basis depending on the final league position, with each position worth £755,000 more than the position below them. OVERSEAS RIGHTS DEALS (Various) The whole pot is shared equally between the 20 member clubs. For last season and this, that's £18.8m each. I would expect the overseas money and the 50% equal share from the domestic money to be distributed over the course of the season, with the remaining two 25% portions of the domestic deal being paid out at the end of the season. Next season, of course, the numbers increase significantly. So with a bit of fag packet maths you get the impression that we've spent(or committed) an amount roughly equal to our guaranteed share and that all other costs for the season are being met by season ticket and match day sales. As we must have a salarial mass somewhere up around 25 million a year by now we can't be exactly flush with the old folding. Pretty convinced that we'll see big outs before big ins in January. No major outs, no major ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 I still maintain and hope I'm proved wrong but the alleged 14 million for ramerez is a joke they must have saw us coming a good player but nowhere near worth that, he's ridiculously lightweight on the ball and gives away possession easily! That said he def is our best option at the moment. How many has he scored for us again? Sorry the guy looks a great prospect and has only played 4 games and scored once so needs more time. He is not lightweight, and looks as he's capable of dominating games as he did in the second half against Villa. As to whether he's worth the money, we'll have to wait and see. If he keeps us up a la MLT then he will be a bargain. Unfortunately we needed defenders and a goalkeeper as well so the job is a lot tougher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 If you trust and back the chairman then you will not believe this is possible. As he is on record as saying we are backed 100% hy the family and he had any suggestion this was not the case he has many other wealthy people wanting to step in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 So with a bit of fag packet maths you get the impression that we've spent(or committed) an amount roughly equal to our guaranteed share and that all other costs for the season are being met by season ticket and match day sales. As we must have a salarial mass somewhere up around 25 million a year by now we can't be exactly flush with the old folding. Pretty convinced that we'll see big outs before big ins in January. No major outs, no major ins. The amount we will lose by being relegated this season makes it seem worth the risk, so I expect we'll buy defenders in January.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The amount we will lose by being relegated this season makes it seem worth the risk, so I expect we'll buy defenders in January.... It will depend entirely on whether our league position is recoverable or not. In my opinion of course. 10+ points adrift of 17th and we'll let it go as it is. 2 more consecutive losses and we're probably there already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 I think it is probably more a case of cash flow rather than having no money. We don't get the Premiership money until June, yet have had to fund a Premier team in the mean time. I thought the first payment from Sky came in December? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 The amount we will lose by being relegated this season makes it seem worth the risk, so I expect we'll buy defenders in January....Like buying a radiation suit after the bomb has been dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 Perhaps more a culture of not paying bills. I knew about this none payment for the refurb of the prawn sandwich area a good while back and have heard it's a very similar situation with Staplewood. We don't pay up and try to say it's because of a dispute which was actually manufactured......I think it's sad and dislike companies who put back paying by engineering disputes. We are now getting a uneviable reputation for this in the building trade and probably eleswhere too. In the case of the Lee on Solent company, they are small and the cash flow issues caused were very hard for them to navigate through - what a shame that our club was dragged through the courts for this and that a good local firm has had to suffer.... All I know about this situation is what I've read on here. I think it's disgraceful that a small company had to go to court to get Saints to pay a bill, and that Saints didn't even turn up. People could have lost their jobs and businesses, shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 You told me you are sure Adkins is already working his notice and will be out any day, just as soon as we complete our (strangely slow) search for a replacement. This means hefty compensation for NA and his team, plus a new deal for the replacements. So, although this imminent event has not happened yet, based on what you said, I doubt we have any money problems Compensation would depend on what's written into their contracts. The club could put them on gardening leave and continue to pay them for the remainder of their contracts, until they found other jobs. I understand this is what Spurs did for Redknapp. Apparently he's being paid £50k a week until the end of the season. Can't see him coming here then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 I understand this is what Spurs did for Redknapp. Apparently he's being paid £50k a week until the end of the season. Can't see him coming here then. Taking a new job wouldn't necessarily change the amount Spurs would have to pay him. Depends on what would be agreed. I seem to remember saints were paying Stuart Gray long after he found another job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 You know what I mean though, do you honestly put Cortese in the same financial mismanagement league as those down the road ? Who the hell knows? Since Nik Nak took the reigns all I've seen is massive spending on wages and now transfer fees using Markus' money. On the income side I've seen nothing but a lot of penny pinching without a care in the world about customer satisfaction and the effect that has on future income. Let's see how we look should worse come to worse and we are relegated and the family isn't there to clear another £20m of debts. Let's see how the customer relations comes home to roost in terms of attendances on the way down rather than on the way up. Remember, Cortese' experience is on advising billionaires on which sports clubs might be worth buying. He has ZERO experience running a healthy business, especially one with multiple customers and a sizeable workforce. I don't for a second think we don't have the funds to pay the builder for the redecoration, but if we go down then paying Ramirez/Lallana/etc premiership wages for the next three years concerns me greatly. Relegation kills teams. Have we gambled on survival like we did on promotion during the wilde years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 I don't for a second think we don't have the funds to pay the builder for the redecoration, but if we go down then paying Ramirez/Lallana/etc premiership wages for the next three years concerns me greatly. Relegation kills teams. Have we gambled on survival like we did on promotion during the wilde years? In the Wilde years we actually sold a lot of players for a lot of money. In fact if you look at the Wilde/Crouch period we sold for more than we spent. It was the ridiculous salaries(for woeful players) that continued for long after the failed promotion bids that caused the problems.Burley didn't help of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 In the Wilde years we actually sold a lot of players for a lot of money. In fact if you look at the Wilde/Crouch period we sold for more than we spent. It was the ridiculous salaries(for woeful players) that continued for long after the failed promotion bids that caused the problems.Burley didn't help of course. The £7m spent after the play off season killed us. We should have been tightening our belts but like you say we gambled on high wage earners that turned out to be ****e. All signings are a gamble I suppose. Most have worked out so far, that's why we have gone up, but lets hope this summers gamble pays off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 Taking a new job wouldn't necessarily change the amount Spurs would have to pay him. Depends on what would be agreed. I seem to remember saints were paying Stuart Gray long after he found another job. True, but it would influence contract negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 You can pin your hopes all on one player, personally I would have preferrred us to go for a balanced squad over the summer. One careless kick and its over, and you can be guaranteed our opposition know that too. Besides, I aint convinced he is our knight in shining armour. I'm not convinced you are a Saints fan you massive ****er ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 Who the hell knows? Since Nik Nak took the reigns all I've seen is massive spending on wages and now transfer fees using Markus' money. On the income side I've seen nothing but a lot of penny pinching without a care in the world about customer satisfaction and the effect that has on future income. Let's see how we look should worse come to worse and we are relegated and the family isn't there to clear another £20m of debts. Let's see how the customer relations comes home to roost in terms of attendances on the way down rather than on the way up. Remember, Cortese' experience is on advising billionaires on which sports clubs might be worth buying. He has ZERO experience running a healthy business, especially one with multiple customers and a sizeable workforce. I don't for a second think we don't have the funds to pay the builder for the redecoration, but if we go down then paying Ramirez/Lallana/etc premiership wages for the next three years concerns me greatly. Relegation kills teams. Have we gambled on survival like we did on promotion during the wilde years? AOC included in that Chez? I get your point tho'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 AOC included in that Chez? I get your point tho'. good point and if I am being fair to Cortese, he is investing serious money (as Lowe did) in the academy, which hopefully will continue the hue income stream that has been so vital over the last ten years keeping us afloat. The £15m or whatever it is going to cost seems like a lot of money, but so long as the right staff (can we get Prost back) are in place it will be money well spent. Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 November, 2012 Share Posted 17 November, 2012 good point and if I am being fair to Cortese, he is investing serious money (as Lowe did) in the academy, which hopefully will continue the hue income stream that has been so vital over the last ten years keeping us afloat. The £15m or whatever it is going to cost seems like a lot of money, but so long as the right staff (can we get Prost back) are in place it will be money well spent. Hopefully. To look at it another way, AOC basically payed for any upgrades we are carrying out on the training ground/academy. It would have been criminal to shelve a successful academy IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Jeff/DPS - maybe you were right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Digging up a two year old thread to score a point? Wow, it takes all sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Jeff/DPS - maybe you were right? I also knew about Adkins on his way out as well. It's as if I had some inside info. Also maybe why I have unwavering support of this board. But nah, people will just tell to shut up and throw insults at me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I also knew about Adkins on his way out as well. It's as if I had some inside info. Also maybe why I have unwavering support of this board. But nah, people will just tell to shut up and throw insults at me... Yeah looking back through your old threads, most of them are pretty accurate. Wasn't really much need to reinvent yourself and deny it for ages was there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Surely money problems were proven wrong with the last accounts, which for a recently promoted side were very good. Add a year of TV revenues and good finishing place and things are decent before you bring in over £100 million in sales. Maybe we'll spent £50m but that's still a very healthy financial situation. Money problems in relation to cash being released by KL and what NC wanted/needed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Yeah looking back through your old threads, most of them are pretty accurate. Wasn't really much need to reinvent yourself and deny it for ages was there? I was banned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Oh, crap. I can't wait for the season to start so that we actually have news to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I was banned... Because of your hysterical/bed wetting threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Surely money problems were proven wrong with the last accounts, which for a recently promoted side were very good. Add a year of TV revenues and good finishing place and things are decent before you bring in over £100 million in sales. Maybe we'll spent £50m but that's still a very healthy financial situation. If we work on the assumption that there was a £27m 'hole' to fill when Cortese was moved on. We will reportedly receive upwards of £88m if the fees for Lallana, Shaw, Chambers, SRL and Lovren are maximised. Assume £30m spent on Tadic, Pelle, Foster and a loan fee for Bertrand plus an expected £18m or so on a striker and defender. Also assume that the 'fee' we received for our ex Manager will go towards extra wages So £48m + £27m = £75m, so theoretically there is £13m available for a right back and perhaps a winger and the books are balanced unless Schneiderlin goes and part/all of his £10-£20m will be available for re-investment. Thing is the finances look OK but the playing strength, at the moment, looks less than last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 It turned out that we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 If you trust and back the chairman then you will not believe this is possible. As he is on record as saying we are backed 100% hy the family and he had any suggestion this was not the case he has many other wealthy people wanting to step in. Now there is a point. What happened to the myriad of other wealthy people Cortese said he had queuing up to invest if the liehberrs ambition didn't match his own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 If we work on the assumption that there was a £27m 'hole' to fill when Cortese was moved on. We will reportedly receive upwards of £88m if the fees for Lallana, Shaw, Chambers, SRL and Lovren are maximised. Assume £30m spent on Tadic, Pelle, Foster and a loan fee for Bertrand plus an expected £18m or so on a striker and defender. Also assume that the 'fee' we received for our ex Manager will go towards extra wages So £48m + £27m = £75m, so theoretically there is £13m available for a right back and perhaps a winger and the books are balanced unless Schneiderlin goes and part/all of his £10-£20m will be available for re-investment. Thing is the finances look OK but the playing strength, at the moment, looks less than last year You forgot to add in the wages over the period of the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Now there is a point. What happened to the myriad of other wealthy people Cortese said he had queuing up to invest if the liehberrs ambition didn't match his own? It's a good question the answer to which seems blag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 You forgot to add in the wages over the period of the contract. And you forgot to deduct the wages out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 It's a good question the answer to which seems blag. I thought I read somewhere on here in an article that KL refused to sell the club to NC when he came back to try and buy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 If we work on the assumption that there was a £27m 'hole' to fill when Cortese was moved on. We will reportedly receive upwards of £88m if the fees for Lallana, Shaw, Chambers, SRL and Lovren are maximised. Assume £30m spent on Tadic, Pelle, Foster and a loan fee for Bertrand plus an expected £18m or so on a striker and defender. Also assume that the 'fee' we received for our ex Manager will go towards extra wages So £48m + £27m = £75m, so theoretically there is £13m available for a right back and perhaps a winger and the books are balanced unless Schneiderlin goes and part/all of his £10-£20m will be available for re-investment. Thing is the finances look OK but the playing strength, at the moment, looks less than last year Don't forget this thread was from late 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 And you forgot to deduct the wages out. Freddie Krueger has said that transfer fees and wages have to be covered from the available funds. The saved wages go to making Kit Kat her profit with the tv revenue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I thought I read somewhere on here in an article that KL refused to sell the club to NC when he came back to try and buy it Corteses words were something along the lines of 'if I thought for one second that I did not have the full backing of the Libeherss I have many wealthy people ready to step in' So the issues as to why he quit weren't because the Liebherrs didn't back him or share his vision, otherwise the other people would have stepped in, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 You forgot to add in the wages over the period of the contract. I'm fairly sure that with Lovren, Osvaldo, Lallana and lambert off the wage bill then we'll be saving a few quid on that score. Their replacements won't be the same sort of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I'm fairly sure that with Lovren, Osvaldo, Lallana and lambert off the wage bill then we'll be saving a few quid on that score. Their replacements won't be the same sort of money. Why not? I wouldn't have thought there was much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Now there is a point. What happened to the myriad of other wealthy people Cortese said he had queuing up to invest if the liehberrs ambition didn't match his own? Think we can take the events of this summer to actually answer that. We sold half of 1st team squad "At a Premium Price" is the phrase that has been bandied around. My opinion is that NC had those people around, however, I would assume that their valuation of the Club would be "realistic" and that none of them were prepared to pay "A Premium Price". KL doesn't HAVE to sell. She simply needs (needed) an offer she cannot refuse. Personally I am not sure I'd be happy being bought by an idiot at a 30/40/50% Premium to our actual value. I'd doubt their sanity/motives. Wise investors probably walked away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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