Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Point scoring Turkish? You really must learn to read AND comprehend... As anyone can see, I accused no body of points scoring, merely pointed out that ith teh club remaining silent and thus not giving us their side of the story, it provides plenty of ammunition to those that wish to... this thread is testimony to the fact that some have indeed chosen to do so. It is their right to do so, and to make whatever they wish from it, to use it as they see fit... does not make it gospel no matter how loudly and repetitively they shout about it. Some chose to make a big deal and go all 'whooo, scary, skint, club is beng mean' etc - others merely accept that without knowing what caused this or what brought it about, speculation is may provide you with hours of fun or misery, but its still all it is. Sorry, I just presumed it was another drunken incohert rant, I didn't realise you were trying to make a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 I've told you Baz, add me on facebook now you know my name and I'll invite you to our Facebook group. I've found a Mr Richard Head, I'll send you a friend request. You can answer the question at your leisure, no need to rush to tell us the goal of your crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Is it just me that thinks 'so what' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Would this have been another one of those rumours crabs? That's right. I'm a dark forcer like you! (BTW, no real problems with Cortese, though have heard some pretty bad stories about him, one I witnessed first hand with said contractors. Can't knock his record, just perhaps his behaviour.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 probably someone in the office forgot the date..? Really is a bit of a "non-story " -isnt it ? After all........ it's only two weeks wages for Ramirez.. END OF. People really should read things carefully - Saints emailed the court the day before they were due to appear stating that they would not be attending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 I've found a Mr Richard Head, I'll send you a friend request. You can answer the question at your leisure, no need to rush to tell us the goal of your crusade. LOL Richard Head! That is sooooo funny and guess what? It's me!! Make sure you choose the one Richard 'Turkish' Head just so you know I take mongboards as seriously as you do xxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 LOL Richard Head! That is sooooo funny and guess what? It's me!! Make sure you choose the one Richard 'Turkish' Head just so you know I take mongboards as seriously as you do xxxxx Seems you might be over-tired ickle Richie. Now that we can safely assume you aren't able to answer the question I think we can draw a line under that to save you further embarassment. Now getting the thread back on track, another interpretation of the non-payment might be that the contract over-ran the agreed deadline as confirmed by the contractors own legal representatives, PJ English Associates. I'm sure it's not the first time or will be the last time that a stage / completion payment has not been made in the world of contracting. Still, that Nicola is a very naughty boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Please keep it to a simple slagging / defence of the club, personal agendas please beat the crap out of each other on Pm as it very tedious for the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Please keep it to a simple slagging / defence of the club, personal agendas please beat the crap out of each other on Pm as it very tedious for the rest of us. Thanks for pulling up certain people on this who want to turn every thread into an attack on me. It's very tiresome, I'm glad you agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 To the subject. Before attending court, the club would have had to filed a defence. This is not a simple debt claim it would seem as we would have appeared to have disputed it. Had it been undisputed the contractor could have issued a Statutory Demand and subsequently a Winding Up Petition. It would appear to me that we have strung this out for as long as possible, to put pressure on a smaller supplier with no real motivation other than giving them a hard time. Pretty nasty and vindictive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 To the subject. Before attending court, the club would have had to filed a defence. This is not a simple debt claim it would seem as we would have appeared to have disputed it. Had it been undisputed the contractor could have issued a Statutory Demand and subsequently a Winding Up Petition. It would appear to me that we have strung this out for as long as possible, to put pressure on a smaller supplier with no real motivation other than giving them a hard time. Pretty nasty and vindictive. Correct it does appear very nasty and vindictive. Which ties in with what a number of us have heard. Interestingly enough despite me asking several times no one is able to come up with any rumours or stories of what a great bloke and businessman he is to counter the negative ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Stickman Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Saints alienate another local company; no big deal; other clubs do it all the time....apparently. All clubs alienate their ex-players, ex-manager, staff, potential corporate subscribers and the local media; it’s what big clubs do, right? Football: The Beautiful Game, The Premier League Experience and all that. Why would anyone want it any other way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 And the Echo love it! What happened to out family club..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Correct it does appear very nasty and vindictive. Which ties in with what a number of us have heard. Interestingly enough despite me asking several times no one is able to come up with any rumours or stories of what a great bloke and businessman he is to counter the negative ones. How about Nigel Adkins stating that he has a fantastic relationship with the chairman, who works very hard behind the scenes? Or those interviews with staff they did on Saintsplayer where several of them mentioned what a breath of fresh air he was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 And the Echo love it! What happened to out family club..... It went into Administration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 If the case is as stated then it is a morally reprehensible thing to do. No doubt. On the other hand surely anyone on here posting that is say, over the age of twelve, realises that this is exactly how big businesses behave toward smaller ones. Including might I add never, ever paying bills. Something that the justice system has been trying to put a stop to for years. A friend of mine never got paid for some engineering work he completed for a bigger company and took then to court and still never got paid. Surely we all can comprehend, just by reading this forum, that people in general really aren't very nice - so why should businesses of any description be so? Anyway I'm off to go on some other club's forum to see some posts praising Southampton FC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 How about Nigel Adkins stating that he has a fantastic relationship with the chairman, who works very hard behind the scenes? Or those interviews with staff they did on Saintsplayer where several of them mentioned what a breath of fresh air he was? pro club propoganda on their own website, who'd have thought it?! What did you expect them to say? He's a nightmare to work for and hate working there?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 How about Nigel Adkins stating that he has a fantastic relationship with the chairman, who works very hard behind the scenes? Or those interviews with staff they did on Saintsplayer where several of them mentioned what a breath of fresh air he was? First off, I don't think Adkins has ever done a construction deal with the club and therefore not like for like. Also show me someone who has stayed in a job for more than a week after having publicly slagged their boss. Ditto the editor of Saintsplayer, it's the clubs PR vessel not a staff suggestions box tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 pro club propoganda on their own website, who'd have thought it?! What did you expect them to say? He's a nightmare to work for and hate working there?! They could just as easily said nothing, or credited everyone involved. Unless you think scripts are handed out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 They could just as easily said nothing, or credited everyone involved. Unless you think scripts are handed out? Chalet beat me to it! Honestly fella, do you seriously believe anyone with any sense would slag off a companies CEO in a public interview and if they did theydbroadcast it on their own website?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Chalet beat me to it! Honestly fella, do you seriously believe anyone with any sense would slag off a companies CEO in a public interview and if they did theydbroadcast it on their own website?! Of course not, I didn't say that. I said that they didn't have to mention him at all, in the interviews it was the staff themselves that candidly mentioned him whilst talking about how the club had changed in the year since administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Has it been found that the club is in the wrong over the training ground? Perhaps, there is an issue with contractors and building work over specifications/quality but this is a distinctive category of problem and I struggle to see how it spills over or relates to team selection and various other 'rumours'. What the **** are you on about ? When did I mention team selection???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Of course not, I didn't say that. I said that they didn't have to mention him at all, in the interviews it was the staff themselves that candidly mentioned him whilst talking about how the club had changed in the year since administration. In a bit of pro chairman PR?! Of course not!! Anyone get their names? Be interesting to see if they still work there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 In a bit of pro chairman PR?! Of course not!! Anyone get their names? Be interesting to see if they still work there. Yes, the interviews were conceived, carried out and uploaded with the express intent of slipping in a bit of praise for the chairman. Except for the fact that he wasn't even mentioned in all of them. You do realise you are dismissing praise for the chairman just as readily as you claim others dismiss criticism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Saints alienate another local company; no big deal; other clubs do it all the time....apparently. All clubs alienate their ex-players, ex-manager, staff, potential corporate subscribers and the local media; it’s what big clubs do, right? Football: The Beautiful Game, The Premier League Experience and all that. Why would anyone want it any other way? who gives a ****? I mean there are plenty of other companies queuing up for corporate boxes now we are in the big time, why do we need to pander to these small time builders? Oh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 (edited) What the **** are you on about ? When did I mention team selection???? Not talking about you fella. I'm referring to the halfwit, no smoke without fire reasoning on here that sees this incident as suddenly vindicating every other rumour about the club. Coz that's how some are interpreting this incident. Edited 16 November, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Yes, the interviews were conceived, carried out and uploaded with the express intent of slipping in a bit of praise for the chairman. Except for the fact that he wasn't even mentioned in all of them. You do realise you are dismissing praise for the chairman just as readily as you claim others dismiss criticism? Sorry clarky, did they mention the chairman or not? Did they say he was a breath of fresh air or not? You seem a little confused. id prefer to see praise for the chairman come from sources other than the official club site! Come on there must loads to counter the negative rumours. Tell us about a local business or ex player telling everyone what a great guy he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 who gives a ****? I mean there are plenty of other companies queuing up for corporate boxes now we are in the big time, why do we need to pander to these small time builders? Oh.. You've gor to admit its been a great move by Cortese to only allow the club to sell 15 this season, this making them even more exclusive! Surely this is the only reason most of thrm are empty, afterall He really is a top business man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Not talking about you fella. I'm referring to the halfwit, no smoke without fire reasoning on here that sees this incident as suddenly vindicating every other rumour about the club. Coz that's how some are interpreting this incident. Really? Or is it more a case of now some have their demanded evidence it actually adds weight the comments of those that were abused for saying this sort of thing was happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Sorry clarky, did they mention the chairman or not? Did they say he was a breath of fresh air or not? You seem a little confused. i. Not confused at all. Some of them did mention him, some of them didn't - which goes against what you implied (that the interviews were purely for positive PR about Cortese). . id prefer to see praise for the chairman come from sources other than the official club site! Come on there must loads to counter the negative rumours. Tell us about a local business or ex player telling everyone what a great guy he is. I don't give a sh*t whether he gets praise or not, as long as he continues to get results. Negative press sells, if you want a business telling us he's a "great guy/businessman" why not go ask them yourself. I'm sure Aap3, Mercedes or the new programme printing company will be happy to oblige. But of course, because they're connected to the club their opinions don't matter - it's only the opinions of the slighted, bitter ex-contacts that count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Really? Or is it more a case of now some have their demanded evidence it actually adds weight the comments of those that were abused for saying this sort of thing was happening. Like Cortese picking the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Like Cortese picking the team? Throwing enough mud springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Not confused at all. Some of them did mention him, some of them didn't - which goes against what you implied (that the interviews were purely for positive PR about Cortese). I don't give a sh*t whether he gets praise or not, as long as he continues to get results. Negative press sells, if you want a business telling us he's a "great guy/businessman" why not go ask them yourself. I'm sure Aap3, Mercedes or the new programme printing company will be happy to oblige. But of course, because they're connected to the club their opinions don't matter - it's only the opinions of the slighted, bitter ex-contacts that count. Do you mean the Portsmouth based rprinting company awarded the contract ahead of Cedar Press, a Southampton based company who had supplied the club loyalty for years and even wrote off some bills when we were struggling to help the club out. Cheers NC, another top decision. This is why you're loved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Throwing enough mud springs to mind. Course it is. It's all lies and agenda isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 (edited) Now Uncle Rupert picked the team and pre match pep talk;) But Uncle Nic has stated clearly that he will not selecting team or tactics until he has completed his FA coaching badges. Rupert had lots of badges from his public school days... One badge was definitely milk monitor.. Edited 16 November, 2012 by ottery st mary spellin as norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Do you mean the Portsmouth based rprinting company awarded the contract ahead of Cedar Press, a Southampton based company who had supplied the club loyalty for years and even wrote off some bills when we were struggling to hel the club out. Cheers NC, another to decision. Seeing as you love asking for evidence, I'll ask for some for that as well. I don't really care who does the programme printing or where it's done - they seem to be of the same quality as they were before so it's not like that decision has actually affected anything, except perhaps that they were cheaper. There must have been a reason behind the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dig Dig Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 (edited) Course it is. It's all lies and agenda isn't it. If we believe everything we ever hear on here we'd all be supporting a club which has no money, massive debt, a manager who hates the chairman, a chairman who only listens to worm tongue Reed, an inability to sign players and deal with othe clubs, no respect for history and tradition, treats every ex player with distain and to top it all off, we have a swiss banker picking our formation and team as well as writing ludicrous clauses into player contracts demandin they play at least 15 min a game. We've also been up for sale for about 2 years now and Markus's family definitely don't care and have pulled funding We're really ****ed if this is all true aren't we? Edited 16 November, 2012 by Dig Dig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 It isn't very clever is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 If we believe everything we ever hear on here we'd all be supporting a club which has no money, massive debt, a manager who hates the chairman, a chairman who only listens to worm tongue Reed, an inability to sign players and deal with othe clubs, no respect for history and tradition, treats every ex player with distain and to top it all off, we have a swiss banker picking our formation and team as well as writing ludicrous clauses into player contracts demandin they play at least 15 min a game. We've also been up for sale for about 2 years now and Markus's family definitely don't care and have pulled funding We're really ****ed if this is all true aren't we? You're not a million miles away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 I see the mods have been deleting posts again. Shame people won't get to seethe Forum police mug themselves off again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Very happy people debate the topic, didn't see much of it in the exchange between you and FC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Very happy people debate the topic, didn't see much of it in the exchange between you and FC. He's got serious obesssion issues with me. I Wasnt the one dishing out the insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Is spending all day on here bickering some kind of bizzare hobby?? is does it make you a 'lad' nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 He's got serious obesssion issues with me. I Wasnt the one dishing out the insults. Ahr the typical tactic of the playground Bully - run to teacher. I just dont understand what pleassure you get from your constant wind up.... You cant be that ignorant that you dont understand the difference between fact and speculation, yet your wind ups are based purely on the latter - the bait on your perculiar hook. If you want to take this seriously then answer these questions: 1. Have to read the details of the contract between the club and the contractor? 2. Do you know the clauses that club calim were not met, yet the contractor claims were? 3. Is paying the first 3 installments on time consistent with not paying your bills on time? I suspect a 'No' on the first two, and feigning ignorance on the third Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Is spending all day on here bickering some kind of bizzare hobby?? is does it make you a 'lad' nowadays? I picture Turks in his late 40s, maybe early 50s. Probably fancied himself as a bit of a geezer in the 80s and 90s, bit fly, on the terraces. Dresses in clothes about 20 yeras to young for him in an effort to keep in with the youth, who he hopes all look up to him... now resigned to trying to use his former playground bully tactics on a web forum... how the mighty have fallen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Bored of deleting of deleting off-topic posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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