shurlock Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Hang on a minute, only a few weeks back people when people were saying this sort of stuff, amoungst others, was going on, those that said this was the case were demanded to provide PROOF, it was asked why none of this was making the media. In fact only a few days back certain posters were lining up to take pot shots at me for 'having and agenda' and 'not liking cortese'. Well now this evidence is out there, its in the media, we've have a f*cking court order made against us! so does this mean that we are still dismissing everything else as utter bullsh*t, or like people do with positve news, acclaim it as FACT and actually wonder what else is going on? I do admire the blind defence of Cortese though, you've got to hand it to people who will desperately cling to anything and try to spin everything as positive yet in the next breath have a go at Pompey for not paying bills and shafting local businesses. You really couldn't make it up. The judge has demanded the club to pay up but (i) its very different from the skates and (ii) its not proof positive that the club is in the wrong ever time there is an 'allegation' or 'rumour'. Most sensible people prefer to treat each case on its merits. In this particular case, a court has decided that the club has f**ked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The judge has demanded the club to pay up but (i) its very different from the skates and (ii) its not proof positive that the club is in the wrong ever time there is an 'allegation' or 'rumour'. Most sensible people prefer to treat each case on its merits. In this particular case, the club appears to have f**ked up. The problem appears to be too many cases. How many contractors have we gone through internally at the ground and training ground? I think you might find that Franny is a little more flush these days as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The judge has demanded the club to pay up but (i) its very different from the skates and (ii) its not proof positive that the club is in the wrong ever time there is an 'allegation' or 'rumour'. Most sensible people prefer to treat each case on its merits. In this particular case, a court has decided that the club has f**ked up. Do you not think the FACT that it has now been proven that this sort of thing has been going on suggests those that said this sort of thing was going on might be right and actually know what they are on about rather than bitter people with agendas making up rumours on the Internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The problem appears to be too many cases. How many contractors have we gone through internally at the ground and training ground? I think you might find that Franny is a little more flush these days as well. Talking of the training ground I understand next week (thursday or friday?) is d day. This might be true and from a good source or it might be my agenda talking, who knows?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Do you not think the FACT that it has now been proven that this sort of thing has been going on suggests those that said this sort of thing was going on might be right and actually know what they are on about rather than bitter people with agendas making up rumours on the Internet? No it doesn't. You're still the carol mcgiffen of mongboards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Do you not think the FACT that it has now been proven that this sort of thing has been going on suggests those that said this sort of thing was going on might be right and actually know what they are on about rather than bitter people with agendas making up rumours on the Internet? Do you think it means there are financial issues either now or in the iminent future or is it just NC playing his stubborn billy big bollixs role which he has become known for? I know for example that one of the hold up's on the training ground was that Cortese wants a say in everything right down to the toliet role holders. Would a man who can't pay or has no intention of paying concern himself with such minor details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 I find it really funny! *says something detrimental about the club* "Proof, where's the proof? This is only your opinion, its all you ever talk about". *proof comes out in the local press* "Well this clearly shows that Cortese knows what he's doing and won't be pushed around. Its a good thing, and its only your agenda that makes you see it as bad". Your Pompey analogy is totally spot on. Can you and your agenda please go and support another club. LOLZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 (edited) The problem appears to be too many cases. How many contractors have we gone through internally at the ground and training ground? I think you might find that Franny is a little more flush these days as well. Has it been found that the club is in the wrong over the training ground? Perhaps, there is an issue with contractors and building work over specifications/quality but this is a distinctive category of problem and I struggle to see how it spills over or relates to team selection and various other 'rumours'. Edited 16 November, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 One outstanding bill for 60k against which a court has found for the contractor following what may or may not have been a dispute regarding specifications/quality. One Swallow dosent make a summer! what is our annual turnover in terms of spend? I would wager that 60k is a drop in the ocean compared to bills we have and are paying monthly! Hardly Pompey is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Of course it could be a case of someone lower than NC wanted to fight the case and NC said at the last minute it was not worth the hassle of defending it and wanted the issue over with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Of course it could be a case of someone lower than NC wanted to fight the case and NC said at the last minute it was not worth the hassle of defending it and wanted the issue over with. In which case the club could have settled (and kept it quiet) rather than going to court, losing, and having it splashed all over the media. So either way it was an utterly dumb decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The big question is what do we do now that we have this damning evidence? I know Dicky Turkish is working on something along the lines of a Facebook campaign or a letter to our local MP or a march on Town Hall but whilst he is prevaricating crucial time is being lost. We have to do something now, certainly before close of business today. We should mobilise the fans immediately. Maybe a campaign such as 'anyone but Cortese' could be an idea. There must be a myriad of wealthy (and nice) entities out there queuing up to invest in our club? It's time for action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The big question is what do we do now that we have this damning evidence? I know Dicky Turkish is working on something along the lines of a Facebook campaign or a letter to our local MP or a march on Town Hall but whilst he is prevaricating crucial time is being lost. We have to do something now, certainly before close of business today. We should mobilise the fans immediately. Maybe a campaign such as 'anyone but Cortese' could be an idea. There must be a myriad of wealthy (and nice) entities out there queuing up to invest in our club? It's time for action. I think the main conclusion is that Cortese is not the great business man lots of people think he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Oh Turkish and Kraken.....how one sided can one sided get? People go to court all the time over disputes. Companies do it all the time. Nobody knows the real story here but I love how you jump to the 'victims' defence so easily without knowing the facts. There could be billions of reasons why SFC (not cortese as again Turkish tries so hard to imply) didn't want to pay. Obviously they were not happy about something. The thing that is bad is not that they didn't pay as that happens everywhere. I'm sure your find court orders from most clubs having to pay someone. That is how business works, companies argue over everything. The thing that is bad is that if we felt so strongly that we shouldn't have to pay then why did we not send a defence? That is what I find ****ty and from a business person point of view that is very un-professional. If you believe your being short changed then you fight it and prove your point in court. So this is a dumb thing the club has done but it isn't the redemption that people should be believed as Turkish tries to suggest. As this was not mentioned at all by anyone anywhere. So to try and imply you told people is pathetic. Everything you have said that was a 'rumour' has been a lie so do us a favour a drop the whole you deserve credit bull****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 I think the main conclusion is that Cortese is not the great business man lots of people think he is. That could well be John but what are we going to do about it? As soon as I know I can get on the bus. I did ask Dicky several times what the end goal of his campaign was but he's struggling with an answer and even sent one of his minders to respond but still without an answer. I'm at a loss to know what to do, we could try Leon, Tony or Micky I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Club should have at least attended to present their case - as by not doing so, leaves them open to all sorts of speculation... That article also clearly states Saints paid the first installments on time as part of a 300K+ contract - so not sure we can suggest they are 'bad payers' as some are suggesting - would be inconsistent with those paymnets being made on time We dont know the nature of contractual dispute - just a vague comment that it over ran/design changes. Whilst I can not comment on who is in the right/wrong here as I have no idea what the terms of the contract were vs any impact on timing as a result of design changes, I would imagine that overrun clauses are pretty common on large scale projects and that its down to both parties lawyers to make sure its water tight before starting work etc. How many on here have had disputes with building firms I wonder with late completion, 'extras' etc... It is pretty common place Judge ruled in contractors favour - which means legally we now stump up the cash cant argue with that, and it might imply we had a bit of a cash flow problem, if 60k is considered a 'problem' with Prem income... but its all speculation. Good ammunition for those happiest when they can score points against the club though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The judgment is one thing, being able to pay is another. If SFC now settle on the nail then I don't see a problem but if £60 can't be settled then we are in deep mire. Probably cost a lot more to go away for a couple of days last week, a paltry amount in terms of a PL club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Probably. But surely there would be a reason why it got to this point? Even if they were wrong, they must have thought differently at an earlier date. Does that no interest? I would love to know what was going through their minds. "Hey, I got an idea...let's not pay the builders and save some dosh! I'm sure they won't notice". Very, very odd...and the decision not to attend the hearing even weirder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Oh Turkish and Kraken.....how one sided can one sided get? People go to court all the time over disputes. Companies do it all the time. Nobody knows the real story here but I love how you jump to the 'victims' defence so easily without knowing the facts. There could be billions of reasons why SFC (not cortese as again Turkish tries so hard to imply) didn't want to pay. Obviously they were not happy about something. The thing that is bad is not that they didn't pay as that happens everywhere. I'm sure your find court orders from most clubs having to pay someone. That is how business works, companies argue over everything. The thing that is bad is that if we felt so strongly that we shouldn't have to pay then why did we not send a defence? That is what I find ****ty and from a business person point of view that is very un-professional. If you believe your being short changed then you fight it and prove your point in court. So this is a dumb thing the club has done but it isn't the redemption that people should be believed as Turkish tries to suggest. As this was not mentioned at all by anyone anywhere. So to try and imply you told people is pathetic. Everything you have said that was a 'rumour' has been a lie so do us a favour a drop the whole you deserve credit bull****. Well of course there could Marco. And perhaps we could have taken an objective view to it all if SFC had actually turned up in court to defend themselves. Sadly that's not to be; but do feel free to toss other ideas around yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 It is hilarious how those that now have the evidence they were demanding are now Accusing those of who said this was the Case of point scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Do you think it means there are financial issues either now or in the iminent future or is it just NC playing his stubborn billy big bollixs role which he has become known for? I know for example that one of the hold up's on the training ground was that Cortese wants a say in everything right down to the toliet role holders. Would a man who can't pay or has no intention of paying concern himself with such minor details? I doubt its financial issues, afterall Cortese said we are fully backed by the liebheers and if we weren't he knew plenty of other mega rich people willing to step in. The again he did say we don't do debt and wouldn't need parachute payments! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The big question is what do we do now that we have this damning evidence? I know Dicky Turkish is working on something along the lines of a Facebook campaign or a letter to our local MP or a march on Town Hall but whilst he is prevaricating crucial time is being lost. We have to do something now, certainly before close of business today. We should mobilise the fans immediately. Maybe a campaign such as 'anyone but Cortese' could be an idea. There must be a myriad of wealthy (and nice) entities out there queuing up to invest in our club? It's time for action. Have you been stalking me again Barry? That is exactly whs I've been doing this afternoon!!! The Facebook group 'cortese is not a nice man' "liked" by MLT is going live tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Well of course there could Marco. And perhaps we could have taken an objective view to it all if SFC had actually turned up in court to defend themselves. Sadly that's not to be; but do feel free to toss other ideas around yourself. The point was Kraken companies get into disputes all the time it is apart of being in business. They dispute many things from money to other things. Apple recently got in trouble for they way their staff are treated in their Foxcon factories. One person commited suicide due to the conditions. But would you say Apple were a bad company? Does them goung to court and losing mean they are now in trouble? As I said it is ****ty that the club didnt defend themselves but to try and paint it as unusual or not common is wrong. If you google Man City your see they were ordered to pay £20k to a company who supposedly did some stadium maintanence. Does that now mean they have no money and are a company in trouble? As Frank pretty much said those who want to make a big deal out of it will. But the fact no other papers or media outlets have run it show just how unimportant it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The point was Kraken companies get into disputes all the time it is apart of being in business. They dispute many things from money to other things. Apple recently got in trouble for they way their staff are treated in their Foxcon factories. One person commited suicide due to the conditions. But would you say Apple were a bad company? Does them goung to court and losing mean they are now in trouble? As I said it is ****ty that the club didnt defend themselves but to try and paint it as unusual or not common is wrong. If you google Man City your see they were ordered to pay £20k to a company who supposedly did some stadium maintanence. Does that now mean they have no money and are a company in trouble? As Frank pretty much said those who want to make a big deal out of it will. But the fact no other papers or media outlets have run it show just how unimportant it is... You say that I'm making a big deal out of it. I could quite as easily say that you're going out of your way to make a song and dance about how it doesn't mean anything, and that it happens all the time in business. I don't happen to agree that being taken to court is all that common; if it is, then you're doing something wrong. It happens, of course, but I'm not as flippant about the whole thing as you I guess. And of course national papers won't run this story; it's a minor one and I'm pretty sure I've never suggested otherwise. You asked the question; would I say Apple are a bad company? No. Would I say they have let themselves down in a number of areas, and the way they have been proved to have acted was wholly inappropriate? Yes. I would say it is totally acceptable (and to be encouraged) that they should be brought to account for their misdeeds. I'm not sure why you're accusing me (as you seem to be) of connecting this element of bad business practise with us having no money. The two are entirely different. This, to me, just seems like a wholly unneccessary way to do business, especially so for a community club who placed great stock in telling us that they were going to be proactive in sourcing and working with local companies. It may not be good news, and it may not be big news, but its news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 This makes very little sense. All this does is shine a light negatively on the club. If there was/is a dispute with the contractor then communication both ways endeavours to sort it. That does not work so litigation starts. We then dont turn up to defend ourselves................................... On any level this is poor. FWIW - its not the way to run a business. If we fel wronged w should fight in court to seek a fair outcome. We couldnt even be bothered to turn up. I have no conspiracy theories, but something aint right at Saints at the moment IMHO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The clubs attitude is quite baffling. Why are we determined to fall out with everybody ? And the non-attendance is for me not only an admission of guilt, but also indicates that SFC were determined just to be bloody difficult for as long as possible. Not that NC has somehow a problem with the quality of the job, or the club would have defended. Troubling. On the subject of non attendance, when was the last time you hauled your *** carcass to St Marys Stadium you ****? (mods: I didn't say it so put the infraction gun down) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 This makes very little sense. All this does is shine a light negatively on the club. If there was/is a dispute with the contractor then communication both ways endeavours to sort it. That does not work so litigation starts. We then dont turn up to defend ourselves................................... On any level this is poor. FWIW - its not the way to run a business. If we fel wronged w should fight in court to seek a fair outcome. We couldnt even be bothered to turn up. I have no conspiracy theories, but something aint right at Saints at the moment IMHO! I think the point being missed by most here is that the affair had already gone to ajudication in the summer and we'd been ordered to pay what we owed at that time. As we didn't the contractor had to seek a legal solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The club have let themselves down and I said that above. Im not defending them at all ad it is unprofessional. After all if you believe you dont owe someone money then why not contest it? It seems a misjudgement by someone at the club. However all im saying is companies go to court all the time. Believe me it is very common. I would say on average our company goes to court about 4 times a year. Im sure bigger companies it is a lot more. 9 times out of 10 it is due to someone thinking they are owed money. Companies have this weird thing where the sue each othet but yet maintain healthy relations. For example when patents are violated i.e Samsung and Apple. But they still use each other for various things like the ipad screen is made by Samsung. So im not defending the club far from it but simply saying any company going to court over an unpaid bill isnt really anything to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Doesnt look good does it, especially after last weeks article in the Mail..... Luckily its all just Lies, agendas, rumours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 It is hilarious how those that now have the evidence they were demanding are now Accusing those of who said this was the Case of point scoring. Yeah, you're well above all that. Doesnt look good does it, especially after last weeks article in the Mail..... Luckily its all just Lies, agendas, rumours. Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 What shall we do then Dicky, any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 What shall we do then Dicky, any ideas? I'm painting my "WHERE'S THE MONEY GONE CORTESE?" banner tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Yeah, you're well above all that. Oh. Just pointing out the articles Clarky. Just like we do when they are positive. Great reads aren't they, fnstastic pieces of journalism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The club have let themselves down and I said that above. Im not defending them at all ad it is unprofessional. After all if you believe you dont owe someone money then why not contest it? It seems a misjudgement by someone at the club. However all im saying is companies go to court all the time. Believe me it is very common. I would say on average our company goes to court about 4 times a year. Im sure bigger companies it is a lot more. 9 times out of 10 it is due to someone thinking they are owed money. Companies have this weird thing where the sue each othet but yet maintain healthy relations. For example when patents are violated i.e Samsung and Apple. But they still use each other for various things like the ipad screen is made by Samsung. So im not defending the club far from it but simply saying any company going to court over an unpaid bill isnt really anything to worry about. Trouble with those examples is that they're often caused by simple misunderstandings or lack of research on the part of one of the companies. Nothing of the sort here - work was done and we refused to pay with no reason given whatsoever. Now if, as had been suggested, the company didn't complete the work in the agreed upon timeframe then that is a valid reason - but to not turn up in court suggests that this wasn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 What shall we do then Dicky, any ideas? What do you suggest? Why dont you start stalking him, thatll do the trick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 What do you suggest? Why dont you start stalking him, thatll do the trick! You've had a few days to decide what the end goal of your campaign is. Can you share it yet or is it still being formulated? The sooner you share the sooner we can decide if we're getting on your bus Dicky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 You've had a few days to decide what the end goal of your campaign is. Can you share it yet or is it still being formulated? The sooner you share the sooner we can decide if we're getting on your bus Dicky. Does this mean you might join the Mitty gang?! Well done on reading Bradley's post from earlier and getting my name although it's not nearly as funny as your little nickname for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Walter Dicky has got a certain ring to it. Still, it was a good question-avoidance strategy, diversion can be a useful technique. I don't want to rush you but when you have an answer feel free to post it up and if I'm in agreement I'll happily board your bus, assuming you are old enough to drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Walter Dicky has got a certain ring to it. Still, it was a good question-avoidance strategy, diversion can be a useful technique. I don't want to rush you but when you have an answer feel free to post it up and if I'm in agreement I'll happily board your bus, assuming you are old enough to drive. Its not as catchy as Barry Greenridge, which of course means you'll have the same initials as your kindred spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Its not as catchy as Barry Greenridge, which of course means you'll have the same initials as your kindred spirit. Still no intention to answer the question then Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 I think some of you should spend all day tomorrow arguing on here too. It's a great way to spend the day, anything else is wastefull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 (edited) Still no intention to answer the question then Richard. I've told you Baz, add me on facebook now you know my name and I'll invite you to our Facebook group. Edited 16 November, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 "An adjudication in August ruled that the club should hand over the money “immediately” along with interest built up in the month at £12.81 per day. But despite further demands, no money was handed to the commercial outfitter, which is based in Lee-on-the-Solent, and no explanation was offered, the court heard." "The club did not send a representative or a legal team to the case, emailing court officials a day before to signal their intention not to attend. In their absence, the club was ordered to pay £55,000 plus VAT as well as interest totalling £1,370.63 and legal costs of £3,309. Mr Justice Robert Akenhead said he could “not understand” why the club had left it until the day before the hearing to tell the court they were not appearing for a defence against the claim. “There does not appear to be a good reason why they did not do it three weeks ago to avoid paying these (legal) costs,” he said." A contractual despute we didn't dispute or bother sending any legal representation to or even bother to argue? How odd. probably someone in the office forgot the date..? Really is a bit of a "non-story " -isnt it ? After all........ it's only two weeks wages for Ramirez.. END OF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 So did you not read the article before posting your out of touch comment I dont think is Standard not to pay bills and upset the Judge An adjudication in August ruled that the club should hand over the money “immediately” along with interest built up in the month at £12.81 per day. But despite further demands, no money was handed to the commercial outfitter, which is based in Lee-on-the-Solent, and no explanation was offered, the court heard. The club did not send a representative or a legal team to the case, emailing court officials a day before to signal their intention not to attend. In their absence, the club was ordered to pay £55,000 plus VAT as well as interest totalling £1,370.63 and legal costs of £3,309. Mr Justice Robert Akenhead said he could “not understand” why the club had left it until the day before the hearing to tell the court they were not appearing for a defence against the claim.[ Yep. Read it. Read it again. It still reads like a standard contractual dispute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 probably someone in the office forgot the date..? Really is a bit of a "non-story " -isnt it ? After all........ it's only two weeks wages for Ramirez.. END OF. Probably someone in the office forgot the date?! That's quite a good one for you Dave!! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 probably someone in the office forgot the date..? Really is a bit of a "non-story " -isnt it ? After all........ it's only two weeks wages for Ramirez.. END OF. 1 week's more likely. Bloke has been here what 3 months now,nigh on 650K wages for a goal and about 350 minutes of football. Whoever injured him in a kick about needs hanging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Point scoring Turkish? You really must learn to read AND comprehend... As anyone can see, I accused no body of points scoring, merely pointed out that ith teh club remaining silent and thus not giving us their side of the story, it provides plenty of ammunition to those that wish to... this thread is testimony to the fact that some have indeed chosen to do so. It is their right to do so, and to make whatever they wish from it, to use it as they see fit... does not make it gospel no matter how loudly and repetitively they shout about it. Some chose to make a big deal and go all 'whooo, scary, skint, club is beng mean' etc - others merely accept that without knowing what caused this or what brought it about, speculation is may provide you with hours of fun or misery, but its still all it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Who was lucky enough to receive my PM about this a few months back? Cortese is the high-heeled king of roflcopters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Who was lucky enough to receive my PM about this a few months back? Cortese is the high-heeled king of roflcopters Would this have been another one of those rumours crabs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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