Saints boy in Leeds Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Has everyone forgotten which league we were in 2 season ago, come on, really ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 *predicts another great thread * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 *predicts another great thread * *predicts another great response* *Self fulfilling prophecy....* For what it's worth I agree with the sentiment, but for many the amount of money invested in the team this year indicates that survival was a minimum expectation. It would be a worry to see what relegation could do to us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 just looking back and thinking "wow" is the best bet for relegation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Has everyone forgotten which league we were in 2 season ago, come on, really ! totally irrelevant as we've spent nigh on 50 million £ on players and racked up another 30 million in losses since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I would give Adkins until the end of the month, sentimentality has no place if it means we are going down or there is a distinct possibility thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Get a grip....................................of the ball? Is that what Nigel will be saying to our chosen keeper for the next game? Or at least will be just as soon as he has picked the keepers name from the hat..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 been fairly calm on here last few days....what's brought this on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 If you offered us this two years ago, or even one, every one would have taken it in a shot. Trouble is, human nature is we get greedy. Was listening to one of the football phone ins, the Man City fans saying club is in a mess, crap manager etc because of the Champions League performances and not running away with the league this season. I've still seen some good football at St Marys this season and still reckon we have reasonable chance to stay up. So much in football can go down to luck and confidence - forwards score lucky goal then go on a scoring streak etc. Unfortunately the opposite can happen - if we had an easier start, or maybe bit of luck in last few minutes of Man U game reckon we would have coped with other games better. I didn't go to WHU but Solent were saying we were by far the better side in the first half, WHU boo'ed off, let in goal just after half time and the bad start is remembered and we panic! What gives me hope is that we have bettered / matched supposedly better teams for significant periods - if we were totally out of our depth that wouldn't happen. That counts for nothing if we keep losing - but gives me hope that we will get wins. Ramirez has played two games at home, we have looked good in both. Will we for most home games he plays? Over season think we have enough attacking quality that it will click for some games and we will get easy wins. We are not a grinding out draws type of side! If we just beat the bottom 10 sides at home - (know behind target) we wouldn't be far off safety with nothing else. The spending is bit misleading imho. The vast majority was for Ramirez - who looks worth it! But who also has not played much yet. Our spending was to bring a league 1/championship squad towards premiership. A lot of squads would have cost a lot more than ours to put together, or have many high wage earners. Early December will tell us a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Alls calm here ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 the spending is not misleading....other teams have spent s fraction as we have and stayed up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 the spending is not misleading....other teams have spent s fraction as we have and stayed up... The spending was wrong....that's the whole crux of the matter. We blew 7.6 million in May or June on an NPC hotshot that we didn't need just to show we could. Our season comes down to that one mistake because when we should have been signing a keeper and a partner for José we were running after JRod. We had pre-emptively decided that Billy Sharp wasn't PL material but we still bought an NPC striker with less goals to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 If you offered us this two years ago, or even one, every one would have taken it in a shot. Trouble is, human nature is we get greedy. Was listening to one of the football phone ins, the Man City fans saying club is in a mess, crap manager etc because of the Champions League performances and not running away with the league this season. I've still seen some good football at St Marys this season and still reckon we have reasonable chance to stay up. So much in football can go down to luck and confidence - forwards score lucky goal then go on a scoring streak etc. Unfortunately the opposite can happen - if we had an easier start, or maybe bit of luck in last few minutes of Man U game reckon we would have coped with other games better. I didn't go to WHU but Solent were saying we were by far the better side in the first half, WHU boo'ed off, let in goal just after half time and the bad start is remembered and we panic! What gives me hope is that we have bettered / matched supposedly better teams for significant periods - if we were totally out of our depth that wouldn't happen. That counts for nothing if we keep losing - but gives me hope that we will get wins. Ramirez has played two games at home, we have looked good in both. Will we for most home games he plays? Over season think we have enough attacking quality that it will click for some games and we will get easy wins. We are not a grinding out draws type of side! If we just beat the bottom 10 sides at home - (know behind target) we wouldn't be far off safety with nothing else. The spending is bit misleading imho. The vast majority was for Ramirez - who looks worth it! But who also has not played much yet. Our spending was to bring a league 1/championship squad towards premiership. A lot of squads would have cost a lot more than ours to put together, or have many high wage earners. Early December will tell us a lot more. Wrong Nick I remember a number of posters saying we didn't particularly want to be in the PL becuase it would be just like this........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 We should of bought players such as Bassong , Dawson , Davies , Bridge , Butland etc etc but we are where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 The spending was wrong....that's the whole crux of the matter. We blew 7.6 million in May or June on an NPC hotshot that we didn't need just to show we could. Our season comes down to that one mistake because when we should have been signing a keeper and a partner for José we were running after JRod. We had pre-emptively decided that Billy Sharp wasn't PL material but we still bought an NPC striker with less goals to replace him. Nonsense. IMO J-Rod should be viewed as a replacement for David Connolly who left the club at the end of June. Mayuka is more of a replacement for Sharp and he looks to be able to offer the squad much more , especially as we are predominently playing with one up front, as he can play in multiple positions. Gazzaniga came in while we were on our pre-season camp so he was well integrated before the season started. It would have been great to get Yoshida in earlier but how were the management team to know that Jos would crumble so spectacularly after being the stand out partner at CB last season. Even if Yoshida had arrived in July in I still think Jos and Jose would have started the first couple of matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 [video=youtube;e4w6V-PbPKM] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Nonsense. IMO J-Rod should be viewed as a replacement for David Connolly who left the club at the end of June. Mayuka is more of a replacement for Sharp and he looks to be able to offer the squad much more , especially as we are predominently playing with one up front, as he can play in multiple positions. Gazzaniga came in while we were on our pre-season camp so he was well integrated before the season started. It would have been great to get Yoshida in earlier but how were the management team to know that Jos would crumble so spectacularly after being the stand out partner at CB last season. Even if Yoshida had arrived in July in I still think Jos and Jose would have started the first couple of matches. Fair comment. J-Rod was clearly not a replacement for Sharp, if he was why did we wait 2 months before we let Sharp go. Very different players anyway. Incidentally although irrelevant J-Rod scored more goals than Billy in 2011-12 season (21 to 19 in all competitions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 Even though for some it is the end of the world right now I am enjoying being back in the PL. The two Manchester games although loses will always stand out for me. Seeing Rickie run into our fans at City was such a great moment. I still think this season will turn out all right in the end. If we stop shooting ourselves in the foot by making amateur individual mistakes then we will be fine. If we get relegated then so be it. It will be a lesson learned for those running the club and hopefully open their eyes to how difficult the league actually is. But even if we do go down it won't be anywhere near as bad as the last time we went down. That was one of the worst moments of my life. So many years we just made it that you kind of got used to thinking we would always survive. To then actually go down was as dark a time as I can remember. And what followed well that was just as bad. If we do go down at least we won't have the in-fighting and squabbling like before. Cortese won't turn up to an AGM with a letter from some anonymous person saying how great he is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 I've got a very firm grip:poundit: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 just looking back and thinking "wow" is the best bet for relegation Very much this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 If you offered us this two years ago, or even one, every one would have taken it in a shot. Trouble is, human nature is we get greedy. This is aimed at all those who claimed we were off to the Champions League and sneering at those who disagreed as having Dell-sized mentalities, yes? That has been where the childish greed has been shown since promotion. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 This is aimed at all those who claimed we were off to the Champions League and sneering at those who disagreed as having Dell-sized mentalities, yes? That has been where the childish greed has been shown since promotion. Pathetic. People talked about Europe as a long term plan, not this season you bell-end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 People talked about Europe as a long term plan, not this season you bell-end. There were plenty saying now that no one could do better than Adkins...we're claiming that we would be fine this season. Once the "easy fixtures" come around Well, here we are. Look forward to at least 9 points from the next 5 games Then again, how dare I be a tad negative about our under performing team/players... Look where we were 3 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 November, 2012 Share Posted 15 November, 2012 There were plenty saying now that no one could do better than Adkins...we're claiming that we would be fine this season. Once the "easy fixtures" come around Well, here we are. Look forward to at least 9 points from the next 5 games Then again, how dare I be a tad negative about our under performing team/players... Look where we were 3 years ago Football fans sometimes get predictions wrong, next to no one thought we would finish second last year. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 This is aimed at all those who claimed we were off to the Champions League and sneering at those who disagreed as having Dell-sized mentalities, yes? That has been where the childish greed has been shown since promotion. Pathetic. lost me sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 (edited) People talked about Europe as a long term plan, not this season you bell-end. How sweet. But isn't staying in the league kinda like, you know, well, integral to our inevitable march to Europe? After all man landed on the moon, and Nicola said, you know. Edited 16 November, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 How sweet. But isn't staying in the league kinda like, you know, well, integral to our inevitable match to Europe? After all man landed on the moon, and Nicola said so, you know. If we wanted europe maybe we should of made more effort in the league cup............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The league we spent near 30 million in one season. You're funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 If we wanted europe maybe we should of made more effort in the league cup............ Are you NC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 There were plenty saying now that no one could do better than Adkins...we're claiming that we would be fine this season. Once the "easy fixtures" come around Well, here we are. Look forward to at least 9 points from the next 5 games Then again, how dare I be a tad negative about our under performing team/players... Look where we were 3 years ago You constantly mock those who said that this league is easy or whatever (and there really weren't plenty saying that btw) yet seems you are more dissapointed than anyone that we're not marching up the premier league. If you were one of the enlightened who just knew that Saints would struggle this season, why are you the one acting like the biggest pussy on here about it? Maybe you actually did think that we would be fine this season. Thats the impression it gives anyway so why constantly look to mock others when a lot of people anticipated that it would be hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 I thought we would not be so utterly woeful and that Adkins was better than this.... We have been utterly Shyte (form does not lie) and IMO, Adkins has made many huge feck ups and continues to do so Like I said, I reckon we will lose at the weekend (certainly not win)... Not for having poorer players but we will be set up again that will allow QPR and their better players to murder us down the wings. It happens all the time yet we will go out too attacking Nigel will come out and give a nice interview about positives can be taken. Many will get all excited about what a nice man he is and how no one could ever hope to do better... And it continues to the next game Sadly, good PR does not win you point. Good tactics do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 People talked about Europe as a long term plan, not this season you bell-end. Oh no. Plenty of people believed we'd comfortably finish midtable in this average league and the we'd press on and finish 8th, then 5th, then 4th then be a champions league side with a team full of academy graduates managed by nice guy nige. When anyone. Who dared to say this was highly unlikely they were sneered at as having a 'dell sized mentality' and why wouldn't it happen what hasn't Cortese delivered so far? And of course who could forget that it was an absolute certainty because they said man would never walk on the moon. Now the view seems to be that it doesn't really matter because if someone had offered this two years ago we'd definitely have taken it and to stop being greedy and spolit. It really is quite odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 And todays lecture in "How we were nearly out of business 3 years ago, be grateful even if we are playing sh*t" is brought to you none other than Saints boy in Leeds.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 The spending was wrong....that's the whole crux of the matter. We blew 7.6 million in May or June on an NPC hotshot that we didn't need just to show we could. Our season comes down to that one mistake because when we should have been signing a keeper and a partner for José we were running after JRod. We had pre-emptively decided that Billy Sharp wasn't PL material but we still bought an NPC striker with less goals to replace him. This. And our second bite of the cherry to sort the defence was wasted on Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Oh no. Plenty of people believed we'd comfortably finish midtable in this average league and the we'd press on and finish 8th, then 5th, then 4th then be a champions league side with a team full of academy graduates managed by nice guy nige. When anyone. Who dared to say this was highly unlikely they were sneered at as having a 'dell sized mentality' and why wouldn't it happen what hasn't Cortese delivered so far? And of course who could forget that it was an absolute certainty because they said man would never walk on the moon. Now the view seems to be that it doesn't really matter because if someone had offered this two years ago we'd definitely have taken it and to stop being greedy and spolit. It really is quite odd. If only you did have a Dell size mentality... Perspective runs both ways - I'm old enough to remember the pre-old 1st Division days and the euphoria when we went up, the feeling of achievement when we stayed up and all the last day battles. I remember the 'kicked in the rollocks' feeling of going down even after beating Everton 3-0 at Goodison and all that comes in between. For me the lowest point in my supporting life was Burnley when I realised that Div 3 (old money) was back and actual oblivion threatened but I've been happily proven wrong and enjoyed the last few years immensely. We're ahead of where ML and NC's ambition wanted us to be...you can sneer (and do, like a true professional) but it's not a bad thing to have the ambition and to spend in the hope of achieving it but very few are naive enough to do more than hope against a lot of our saints-supporting experience that it may happen...that's why we support becaused we hope...occasionally believe even. There's nothing wrong with looking back in amazement and looking forward with hope....petulant little sneers at real supporter's optimism and gratitude do you or this board no credit...and I know it's about opinions - this is mine! And while I'm having a moan the title of the thread is 'Get a grip' - that automatically excludes you Alpine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 If only you did have a Dell size mentality... Perspective runs both ways - I'm old enough to remember the pre-old 1st Division days and the euphoria when we went up, the feeling of achievement when we stayed up and all the last day battles. I remember the 'kicked in the rollocks' feeling of going down even after beating Everton 3-0 at Goodison and all that comes in between. For me the lowest point in my supporting life was Burnley when I realised that Div 3 (old money) was back and actual oblivion threatened but I've been happily proven wrong and enjoyed the last few years immensely. We're ahead of where ML and NC's ambition wanted us to be...you can sneer (and do, like a true professional) but it's not a bad thing to have the ambition and to spend in the hope of achieving it but very few are naive enough to do more than hope against a lot of our saints-supporting experience that it may happen...that's why we support becaused we hope...occasionally believe even. There's nothing wrong with looking back in amazement and looking forward with hope....petulant little sneers at real supporter's optimism and gratitude do you or this board no credit...and I know it's about opinions - this is mine! And while I'm having a moan the title of the thread is 'Get a grip' - that automatically excludes you Alpine... Putting aside the childish dig, lets deal with a couple of your points. How do you know what their ambition is/was and if we are ahead of it ? Yes, they had a plan. That didnt mean the plan had to run its full-length. And also it appears spending was increased unexpectedly during January 2010 in an attempt to win promotion that Spring. Cortese was clearly p*ssed at Pardew's attitude of focusing on cups rather than pushing for League1, he didnt think "maybe next year, we have 4 more years" Yes, there is nothing wrong with looking back in amazement and looking forward in hope. But that doesnt mean we should act like star-struck Barbie doll-toting pre-pubescent girlies who have just won a magazine competition to meet Justin Bieber for 10mins. We have fought to get here, we deserve it, we've spent sh*t loads of money to consolidate it, so lets see the manager and players perform and deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 16 November, 2012 Share Posted 16 November, 2012 Putting aside the childish dig, lets deal with a couple of your points. How do you know what their ambition is/was and if we are ahead of it ? Yes, they had a plan. That didnt mean the plan had to run its full-length. And also it appears spending was increased unexpectedly during January 2010 in an attempt to win promotion that Spring. Cortese was clearly p*ssed at Pardew's attitude of focusing on cups rather than pushing for League1, he didnt think "maybe next year, we have 4 more years" Yes, there is nothing wrong with looking back in amazement and looking forward in hope. But that doesnt mean we should act like star-struck Barbie doll-toting pre-pubescent girlies who have just won a magazine competition to meet Justin Bieber for 10mins. We have fought to get here, we deserve it, we've spent sh*t loads of money to consolidate it, so lets see the manager and players perform and deliver. Apologies for the childish dig, sometimes when they sit up you have to volley them in! The ambition was clearly stated in the five year plan - I looked at that with as much disbelief but with the same secret wish that it could come true as, I suspect, most genuine supporters did. All business plans have to adjust for circumstance...my five year projections change annually, monthly, however they need to. Look on it like a shop that suddenly finds it's brands have become suddenly mega-desirable, of course you increase the inventory to cope and your borrowing capacity to match...whilst questioning how I know what the ambition was how about telling me how you 'know' that NC was 'clearly p*ssed at Pardew's attitude'? I don't 'know' anything of the sort but I know that we came within a whisker of promotion despite the minus ten and football as we all know just isn't that predictable. I love your imagery...genuinely...but again you (and I don't think that you'd deny that your perspective on Saints is largely negative, that things will go badly wrong mostly?) make an assumption that things like the manager and players,the board even not making errors is a conspiracy against our right to be here..that they, on the basis that they have delivered so far cannot be allowed time to adjust to the new rigours and challenges that they face? The 'Get a grip' title sums up the attitude of many on here - I have to say not many I speak to at the ground. Mostly I find all the usual frustrations about errors, individuals, a ground with 30,000 managers all making assessments but most of all glad to be here and with a perspective governed by the experience of the last few years - I point out that mine is longer but the previous seven have been defining in my realisation on what Saints actually mean in my life and the OP's exhortation to those who delight in criticising, pointing out how they said it would be like this, telling how they would have spent the money better, knew that deals fell down because...etc do really need to get a grip...it's good, it's the best it's been for a good few years but from those recent years we know that they can be good too. Off now to meet Justin Bieber for ten minutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 17 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 November, 2012 And todays lecture in "How we were nearly out of business 3 years ago, be grateful even if we are playing sh*t" is brought to you none other than Saints boy in Leeds.... Hardly a lecture mate, just can't see why so many people are getting so ****ed off with saints playing badly and NA making bad subs. IMO we should all be getting behind the team and manager, I mean surely no one thinks the players are playing **** on purpose and the manager is making bad subs on purpose ? Everyone makes mistakes on the pitch, look at scholes against villa the other night, he gave the ball way in bad areas, maybe we just need a dozen or so matches to find our feet ? I think we will stay up and well before the end of the season. With ref to the lecture comment, what's the point in having a forum and not being able to post ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 17 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 November, 2012 I thought we would not be so utterly woeful and that Adkins was better than this.... We have been utterly Shyte (form does not lie) and IMO, Adkins has made many huge feck ups and continues to do so Like I said, I reckon we will lose at the weekend (certainly not win)... Not for having poorer players but we will be set up again that will allow QPR and their better players to murder us down the wings. It happens all the time yet we will go out too attacking Nigel will come out and give a nice interview about positives can be taken. Many will get all excited about what a nice man he is and how no one could ever hope to do better... And it continues to the next game Sadly, good PR does not win you point. Good tactics do Sorry mate but did you really expect saints to be top half straight from the off, win every game ? How many points do you think we should have by now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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